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Dr Subramanian Swamy is not alone in this hatred campaign against India's minority. I mean minorty, not Muslim, not Christian, not Jews, not atheists, not seculars, not Shudras, not neo-Buddhists, not Jains, not Sikhs, not Lingayats, not Voccaligas, if I manage to total these, they become a solid majority. RSS founder, Keshav Baliram Hedgevar the first. A Telugu Brahmin by birth, whose grandfather migrated to former princely state of Nagpur, (Bhosle) dynasty cousin of Shivaji Bhosle fame. biography, on the RSS written page says very little about his education. He has gone to Calcutta to get a fake degree in Homeopathy, could have saved some money by their postal courses. He has passed British Matriculation, for sure. Hedgevar, as a child, was adopted by a very rich man, living in a Dhantoli section, known to be populated by other rich professionals and money lenders, landlords, property owners and all sorts of agents. The Marathi word is, "malgujar, adatya, savkar. This person a hot headed, fascist, Balkrishna Shivram Moonje found some noble qualities in Keshav. Under his new patron, Keshav pushed his, aka Moonje's pet project. "To unite all Brahmins into one single (secret) society, formally named, Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, in heavily populated by middle class, living in the old and dilapidated huge houses owned by these same people who migrated to Dhantoli's modern, spacious moderate sized bungalows with some having front and backyards. From this point onward, it was the job of Hedgevar's chosen disciple, Madhav Sadashiv Golwalkar, also a Marathi Brahmin, educated in Christian college (Morris)in Nagpur and Madras with a post graduate degree in Science (Chemistry). That brought him a job as a Junior lecturer/Demonstrator in the Hindu University of Benares. He became a Swayamsevak and rose from the lowest rank to the hishest, Pracharak, especially, Bauddhik," brainwashing, variety It was Madhav's political aspirations and his grandiose plan to storm the political system at the same time spreading, horizontally, instead of growing vertically, Sangh Parivar became what it is. Swamy falls neatly into this brahmin balderdash, bigotry, boorish, pan-Hinduism frenzy. ...and I am Sid Harth
Anti-Hindusism and caste system based bias was and still propagated by the west to divide Hindus and loot the nation. The new branch of this corrupt system is Sonia Gandhi and her family. Wake up! British have discriminated against the cockneys and other citizens all through the time they ruled us and this practice exists even today. The best example is Michael Caine, who had to struggle to make a name in the film world.They persecuted the Scots and the Irish. They made sure that the Irish went hungry during the potato famine, driving them out to the United States. In the United States, Native Americans and African Americans have and are still discriminated against all the time. As last as 1940s, African Americans were used as subjects in experiments on syphilis and other veneral diseases. In these studies, they were injected with the virus without telling them to study the effects, in what was called the Tuskeegee experiment. As long as we divide ourselves and fight against each other, they win. The prize, the fruits of the labor of the hard working, docile, Hindu population.
we indian have confidence in ourselve so we know freedom of speech & freedom of religion which we are practicing,sir you can make better institute than havard in india, i find this opportunity for us to make best economic institute in india under your guidance & leadership so that other country people also will have option and opportunity to learn under you.
Harvard University, is jittery, could be next in SM’s list to trace, track and bring to fore corrupt in their faculty and administration, he is got the nose for it, intelligence and determination to do it. A man with true conviction whatever they are has its followers, he may have many enemies and he is well aware and is brave to enter the battle for his ideas. I like the way he handled IBM Devil's Advocate. I salute his valor! Swamy. You’re the man.
This guy Subramanyam Swamy is a bigot. He is a staunch anti-Dalit. He has vehemently opposed the entry of Dalits and OBCs in Tamil Nadu temples. He is a mad man. His wife is a Christian, and his daughter married a Muslim. Basically this guy is a fascist and a looser who lost his mental balance. Otherwise, how can any country leave alone a prestigious institution can tolerate a Mad Person. It is a welcome news that Harvard has kicked out this Mad Man.
Good decision by Harvard and quite logical too. In the classroom, the students listen to whatever else the teacher says alongwith regular lessons. There is every chance that this mad hatter, an RSS fellow in disguise, may influence the minds of the students in respect of relegion, politics etc..
All these so-called Ivy league universities in USA are nothing more than select club for privileged people from all over the world. As per a Princeton university survey, "more than 80% of the students in three ivy league universities (Harvard, Princeton, Yale) are from rich and powerful families from US (and around the world) and their selection has nothing to do with either talent or hard work." If you have money and/or proper connection (power) you can practically BUY any degree from almost any university in US. If your father is Dhirubhai Ambani, you can buy the MBA degree from Stanford without any problem. For detail one can read the excellent book by Pulitzer prize winning journalist Daniel Golden's book- "The price of admission- how America’s ruling class buys its way into elite colleges and universities – and who gets left outside the gates".
One of the greatest patrons for Harvard are the rich Muslim people from around the world. just one example- Harvard has been bought and sold to the highest sharia bidder (in December 2005, Saudi Prince Al-Waleed donated $20 million each to Harvard University and Georgetown University to fund Islamic studies). There are many such examples. Harvard is considered the "best" university not because it give maximum value (in terms of "education" or research) for money (highest tuition fee in US) but offer the opportunity for networking- the most important resource to succeed in present day world. The official ranking for Harvard as "top" US university is not because of its teaching or research ability but solely for "endowment" money (funding from different sources- mainly private donation). Most of the famous faculties in such ivy league universities are not trained by them by it brought/bought faculties from other places. e.g. Einstein was not the product from Princeton. The students from such powerful universities generally do best in those professions where networking is more important than raw talent- e.g management, law, policy making and technology. It is the same logic is valid for many "elite" institutes in India- like Doon schools.
Harvard always preferred to remain "politically correct" than siding with the "whole truth, nothing but truth". That is because children from rich and powerful families and their patrons (the biggest donors for such Ivy league business establishments- rather than university) prefer to remain "politically" correct (to remain influential and profitable in their core activities (i.e. business and politics). This action by Harvard is nothing more than that. What swami said is a well established, historical fact. Majority (>99%) of Muslims in Indian subcontinent are converted Hindu (mostly lower caste). There was no major presence of Muslim in this part of the world before 1190 (before Muslims invaded and started settling here). Is it not a fact that any country likes its citizens to remain loyal to the country (patriotism)- irrespective of religion? It is foolish for Harvard to suspend Swami for telling that fact. Will Harvard dare to suspend all those faculties who supported US segregation and/or oppression of Japanese origin (US) citizens after Pearl harbor attack and subsequent events during/after 2nd World War?
Harvard drops Indian MP Subramanian Swamy's courses Harvard University has dropped two economics courses taught by Indian MP Subramanian Swamy for writing an article on Islamic terrorism. Mr Swamy, a trained economist, recommended demolishing hundreds of mosques in the article. He also wrote that only Muslims who "acknowledge that their ancestors were Hindus" be allowed to vote in India. Mr Swamy said the university should have consulted him before taking the decision. "A dangerous precedent has been enacted," he was quoted as saying by Press Trust of India news agency. The controversial piece appeared in the Daily News and Analysis (DNA) newspaper in July. Harvard University said Mr Swamy's views were "reprehensible". The MP is a doctorate in economics from the university. The Faculty of Arts and Sciences voted with an "overwhelming majority" to remove the courses taught by Mr Swamy. Its meeting resulted in a "heated debate" when Comparative Religion Professor Diana Eck proposed an amendment to exclude Mr Swamy's courses, the campus newspaper Harvard Crimson reported. "Swamy's op-ed [piece] clearly crosses the line by demonising an entire religious community and calling for violence against their sacred places," Prof Eck was quoted as saying. 'Dangerous' She said Harvard had a moral responsibility not to affiliate itself with anyone who expressed hatred towards a minority group. "There is a distinction between unpopular and unwelcome political views." Earlier in July, more than 400 students had signed a petition demanding Mr Swamy's removal after the university had decided to stand by him. Reacting to the university's decision, Mr Swamy on Thursday said Harvard should reconsider its decision "The article was written for a Mumbai newspaper and I teach economics in Harvard. I would assume that they would have sent their petition to me asking for my comments which is a normal procedure. But they have not done that," Press Trust Of India quoted him as saying. Mr Swamy said the decision was a "dangerous one" as it made a person teaching in Harvard accountable for what he wrote on any subject anywhere in the world. Source: BBC 8 December 2011 Last updated at 02:29 ET ...and I am Sid Harth
December 8, 2011, 1:15 PM IST Harvard Drops Subramanian Swamy India Real Time HOME PAGE » By Tripti Lahiri Harvard University faculty voted on Tuesday to drop two summer economics courses taught by Subramanian Swamy in response to a July piece by the Janata Party politician that made sweeping remarks against Muslims and proposed depriving them of the vote unless they declared their families were converts from Hinduism. Darren McCollester/Newsmakers/Getty Images Harvard University has decided to drop summer courses taught by Subramanian Swamy. Above, the university’s main campus. In an e-mail to a research group informing them about the vote, Michael Witzel, director of graduate studies in the Department of South Asian Studies, described Mr. Swamy as “insidious” and the head of the “miniscule” Janata Party. Q&A: 'I Am Singh' Director Puneet Issar Swamy Op-Ed Stokes Furor at Harvard Buffett Raises Ajit Jain's Profile in India Q&A: Ela Bhatt on SEWA, Harvard Award India Journal: What's Policy Got to Do With Social Enterprise? The Crimson, the university’s student newspaper, reported Wednesday that the proposal to drop Mr. Swamy’s courses had come from Comparative Religion Professor Diana L. Eck. “Swamy’s op-ed clearly crosses the line by demonizing an entire religious community,” said Ms. Eck, according to the Crimson. Mr. Swamy could not immediately be reached for comment but on Thursday he tweeted that, “IIT/D sacked me in 1973. Four years later, I became a member of the IIT Board Governors–the very body which had sacked me!” Mr. Swamy’s official biography says he was sacked from his position as a professor at the Indian Institute of Technology, Delhi in 1972 for “crusading for academic freedom” and for supporting union rights for non-teaching employees. In response to a query from a Twitter follower on what was happening, he said, “Nothing serious. Non economists at Harvard don’t like my views on how to protect India.” He didn’t seem very bothered about the vote, devoting several tweets instead to his efforts to see Home Minister Palaniappan Chidambaram personally investigated in connection with the corruption scandal over how telecom spectrum was allotted to companies in 2008. A court on Thursday ruled that Mr. Swamy can question two witnesses that he says will help him prove there is actually case to be made against Mr. Chidambaram, who has so far refrained from commenting on this development. Mr. Swamy’s July 16 piece, called “How to Wipe Out Islamic Terror” was published in the Mumbai-based DNA paper but the text of the story is no longer available on DNA’s website. However, several right-wing Hindu websites have posted the text of the article with admiring phrases, in one case calling it “nice and staunch.” Students and faculty at Harvard would describe it another way – as hate.....clipped here..... ...and I am Sid Harth
Smart move by Harvard ! Doesn't make sense when a person of high regard makes such stupid comments without any responsibility. I guess this should be as good as a slap on his face. Although, it still wouldn't be able to make up for the damage he has done.
The happy life you are leading right now will not be there forever! there would be a time you need to be team up and show your unity, exactly this is where pseudo Hindus fail, under this congress leadership the day is not too far where all people in this country will fall under sharia law, the day you will understand his STUPID comments with you wisdom.
Could you plz enlighten us with what was Swamy's comment and why is it stupid. Or is this your default comment when you hear the word swamy.
Mam, You should read well and know the facts before you write.
The comment did generate strong reactions in Harvard than in India. In fact people in India had forgotten the matter, to a large extent. The comment although was offending, indirectly it carried a strong advice to the minority to show respect to majority and not denigrate them under the false encouragement from the pseudo secular congress party, wich is vigorously promoting its minority specific vote bank politics. It looks the sanesection of the minority understtod this vieled advice. The congress which is normally very quick in retorting to any comments affecting its minority vote bank, surprisingly, kept silence. It was probably because of its hope that, by not critisizing Swamy, they can influence him in his tirade against corruption, which is its Achilles Heel. As regards the reaction from Harvard, it is not surprising, especially their U-Turn. The earlier decision to ignore Swamy's remarks as a political and emotional remark was probably did not find favour with some of the teachers. These teachers could be either a radicalized lot or were acting under the influence of politicians, who profit from supporting minority concerns. It could also be a case of jealousy or the influence of the Indian congress party, who are waiting for a chance to take revenge on Swamy. On the whole it is a loss for Harvard and liberal education.
SAY BAD WORDS TO OTHERS RELIGION AND GET HAPPY ,LIKE SWAMY ............
Muslims and christians do that in their religious preachings - Kafir, non-believer and what not. In Hindus, only individuals voice opinions some of which like "razing mosques" is definitely not acceptable.
Dear sir, y dont u return to Karachi or Islamabad ? We need Modi as CM in every state. Change the name to HINDUSTAN..
Sir, He does never say bad words on any religion. He talks just the right and the truth.
Swamy is just a rabble rousing fascist pig. Why would he want to teach at Harvard by the way. There are great Hindu institutions in India a patriotic Hindu might consider teaching. His ideology suits Harvard but there are some things like killing people of a certain community that need to be advocated without being too obvious. Luckily most of his followers are on this message board. So Indian democracy is safe for now, I guess. By the way all you "generous" Hindus that are citizens of foreign countries or live there , understand what would happen if you were discriminated against purely based on your beliefs, however rational or irrational they may be.
All muslim countries discriminate based on religion - ISLAM itself defines Kafir. But Hindus accept all ways of worshipping and praying - its a personal choice.
Hindu institutions?? Like RSS Shakas?? where thousand of innocent minds are given hands on lessons in hatred and intolerance?? SWAMY is a trouble mongerer and should be allowed to even walk freely in society. He should be put under perpetual Preventive detention!!!
The same Harvard defended the Danish cartoonists in the name of freedom of expression who drew Prophet Mohammad considered a blasphemy in Islam. USA denied visa to Narendra Modi but supported the genocide in Bangladesh of 3 million Hindus. Do you need more facts???? You are truly staying in USA, which I doubt, try to win any election without being a Christian in the first place. Remember Obama had to prove he is a Christian to defend attack from opponents in Presidential elections. They never had any non Christian President in their History and a non white till Obama.
Drawing cartoons and advocating measures against a whole community are different things. I am also not taking about the USA. I am only talking about Indians abroad and at home that hold anti Muslims views and believe that Muslims and other minorities are living in India out of Hindu generosity. They are not. Also, USA by and large is culturally uniform. India is probably the most culturally diverse country in the world. We have to respect our diversity. It is OK to criticize Islam but please understand that Indian muslims are Indians first, whether some of them feel that way or not.
no muslim can be anything other than muslim first. if he can then he is not a muslim any more. read quoran you moron to check for yourself. 95% of muslims voted for muslim league during partition but they never left this country. Madrasas here dont hoist national flag on independence day, celebrate while pakistan wins a cricket match. that religion is a curse to mankind.... Now they are planning to restrict such discussions... kapil sibal will probably block this reply after few days saying this reply is hateful... :)
While anybody disagrees with you, you first have to take a re-look at his origin AND only then you come out with your comments...HOW UNFORTUNATE. Let's be honest. If there is an opinion that is put forward (this time by Dr Swami ... there are' n ' number of examples that I can give you) : this opinion can be true/ may not be totally true etc etc.... PERIOD. Why all the hullabulla? More importantly, WHY is there such a reaction from a University in the US. Leave alone an education platform (Harvard) doesn't the US harp on every single platform about it's existance on DEMOCRATIC VALUES? Is this ANYWHERE CLOSE TO DEMOCRATIC VALUES OF ALLOWING INDIVIDUALS TO EXPRESS HIMSELF "as an individual". Dr Swami and the Harvard (through his writtings) are NOT linked. He teaches ECONOMICS there - doesn't he? Then why the problem? Therefore it goes to prove that there's been a pressure from SAUDI ARABIA (a big time and a continuous donor in millions) AND/ OR Islamic LOBBYIST wanting the US to have more spread of their religion...NOTHING WRONG in the latter t but dont' hide behind a garb of nonsensical reasonning... and accept that the US is OT doing enough where it could and should to KEEP EDUCATION and RELIGION SEPARATE. Dr Swami surely carries out his entrusted responsibilities as a professor of Economics - then WHY the grudge? One MUST ACCEPT ONE's MISTAKES and if only Harvard understands that the world is looking at her bowing down to PRESSURE (don't care where the pressure comes from)...THAT BY ITSELF IS A VERY VERY POOR SHOW FROM AN ISNTITUTION THAT CLAIMS AN IRREFUTABLE WORLD-WIDE REPUTATION. In that case, the world also will take a re-look at the claims of Harvard...Right?
To suggest that Harvard should keep rabble-rousing hate pracharak's on its faculty is sheer stupidity.
Raj, firstly you PREACH your MASTER OBAMA , why did he allow Terry Jones , Samual Pedrik n other to burn Quran at Famous Square with Pre Plan..?? Why did he simply remain as MUTE Spectator under Right of Expression for those Fenatic people ...?? FIrstly, Teach democracy to him ...!!!
Even if Dr.Swamy has argued something which is not acceptable to some and is debatable, still such gag orders are lopsided and against the fundamental right to freedom of expression. In this context, I think that Havard university would do well to rethink over this descision.
....and extend an apology to Dr Swami and to the students of Haravard.
"If tomorrow anyone writes on India and writes rubbish about India, they come here, then they can be punished here for what they write in America. That would be a dangerous principle. Harvard should look at it," he said. Good that Swamy admitted himself that he wrote rubbish. Fanatic fool. Seems like even after studying at Harvard, he still remains a "Kunwen ka maindak" .
Good move by Harvard. Americans do not need terrorist to teach terrorism to its student. There is not room for terrorist in any civilized world. Harvard should ban all religious fanatics and ask thme to go back to India and give lessons in Ramdevs ashram.
Another Mullah undercover....or should I put just Mullah. Find a pic that really looks like Thackrey.
R u Carrying Osama Bin Laden's DNA... ??
While I am not a Thakrey supporter, still I believe that you sure are surely not Amit Thakrey. In this context, I fully support the government move to regulate social media so that the anonymous and false ids defaming people, religions and organisations are not allowed to create hatred in the society and those who do knowingly are dealt by the law.
That person is posting under a real name and you are using a fake one. Yet you advocate government control over posting under anonymous ids. How ironic. Thackrey is not a copyrighted name by the way. Anyone is free to use it. If he used "Bal Thackrey", you might have a point.
Swami's drama's and hate speechs only works in India
I dont know why all terms and condition applies to Hindu and Hinduism only. Since last 1000 years we hindu are forced to sleep with our enimes . They enjoy the freedom in their land ( Arab And Rome ) and when a hindu talk with a logic , every idiot in India starts proving him as a fool. Are we not free to express our thoughts in our home? Our old genreration was in dream that they ( i dont want to take name )can be changed . Similar thiking was of our congress freedom fighters. Hates off to Mr Swami for such a courage
EXPRESS YOUR THOUGHT GLADLY ABOUT YOUR OWN RELIGION AND PHILOSOPHY ,BUT TAKE CARE OF OTHERS SENTIMENT OF OTHERS RELIGION .BE HONEST AND GET PLEASURE BY CO EXISTING WITH OTHERS .
Hope you are you talking to yourself, good! Do it in larger font and capatilize it and read it in front of the mirror. Don't preach us what you have utterly devaluated over centuries....
thank for your comment.may god bless all of us good understanding and good sense of humanity .still i request all, for peaceful co-existence and happy life in this world .
CO-existence? Do you even know the History of Islam? Why do you think there are no christians, Jews, Zorastrains, Buddhists, or Hindus in saudi and Middle east region.
Co-existence! you guys will celebrate after pakistans win, demand a separate set of laws for youself, make religious fanatics in madrasas and will talk about co-existence... Ironic isn't it? What about arab countries ? can anyone covert from islam there?? what about some african countries?? preaching other religion is punishable there.... :) Will you protest that???? Will you admit there is only one religion in this planet where violence to other religion's people is considered a noble did????
really a good comment .i appreciate fully .all indian muslims should be first indian ,then muslim .your gesture is correct and mostly found in illeterate muslims .let us collectivly educate them loyality .if we will leave them as such ,then certainly they will be headach for india . conversion ,building temples ,church and gurudwara is possible in all other muslim countries.i think saui arab is a sacred place of islam ,because of holy place like MAKKA ,AND MADINA.for that they are not allowing other religion structure there .it is their political issue .iam sure it is not islamic .in quran ,it is commanded that man is free for his own belief and religion .there is no compulsion on religion ,as stated in quran .
Hey. shut up now. Enough of your blaberring.. Hindus worship Kali, the goddess of death, they have a separate class of people known as kshatriyas whose only job is to fight. How are hindus not violent. It's the duty of every person to protect the community, be it hindu or muslim. Then why is ISLAM violent?? Haven't rajputs been fighting among themselves all their history? Didn't Ashoka kill thousands at KALINGA?? didn't India send troops to sri lanka? Were TAMIL TIGERS muslims?? So how can you brand one community as terrrorists when they were the ones getting burnt alive in bhagalpur, gujarat, Mumbai!! Do onto others what you shall have them do to you. Show them viloence and they shall have the right to pick up arms!!! Be it hindus, muslims or sikhs!!
Hindus can do whatever...they can pray goodess of death or whatever. How all these concepts translate to ground reality is what matters. The number of lives Islam has claimed and continues to claim is incomparable to any religion. Also for your understanding there are also muslims in tamil tigers.
Hinduism is by nature to perish as it is nothing but given its name by some foolish group/people. it doesn't have any ideology,its people worship every created thing but the creator
Why do you open your mouth (or in this case, type...) about things that clearly you don't know an iota of? It's very SAD indeed...
How foolish i would say of you to believe in something that you dont even see and sends messages through prophets from time to time. Is this idea of any god who is helpless in trying to communicate with his own creation!!!!
what an idiot are u? hinduism didnt perish aftr 10000 yrs and u must knw that this country has 81% hindu population and still u enjoy minority rights and quotas. its bcoz of secular hindu nature that u enjoy these rights. no country whether us uk or any country give quotas in the name of religion (not to mention arab countries). so pleez dnt spread hate and try to be secular
what an idiot are u? hinduism didnt perish aftr 10000 yrs and u must knw that this country has 81% hindu population and still u enjoy minority rights and quotas. its bcoz of secular hindu nature that u enjoy these rights. no country whether us uk or any country give quotas in the name of religion (not to mention arab countries). so pleez dnt spread hate and try to be secular otherwise get the f**k out of this country...
Harvard needs Swamy, not other way around. It is loss of Harvard and shown to the world how hollow is their so-called freedom of expression. Is that Hrvard controll by few leftists-jihadi brigades? America lecture the world on human rights, freedom of expression but not practice by themselves. Shame on America, that is why most people dislike.
They invite Mahmoud of Iran for heavens sake who incites SO much hatred against America WHEN he is IN America, forget even when he is in Iran....these profs are getting to be moral cops and lop sided...anyway, I don't feel bad not wanting to go to Harvard. Hey, maybe there was a reason why most Harvard drop outs made it Great in their life !!! ;-)
Anybody who does not support what My Swami said does not become a leftist or Jehadi. Your justification is as same as the real jehadi who feel it either their way or now. 2 sides of same coin Mr Bharat. Both are intolerant for any contradicitng views.. oh yes by the way about all that freedom of expression. We Indians have Indian festivals, Indian culture and even Indian flags all over US. Not seen any American flags or parades allowed in India.. America has more people promoting India and its political ideology than any American in India. Period.
I beg to differ... Harvard has no need of a hatred monger...
While Mr Bharatk has made a point with relevant reasonning - you'v only made a statement - wud have been so much more intersting to know (i) if you have read Dr Swami's articles? (ii) If you have read the hate messages that float in the Muslim world (iii) compared the difference between the 2. While Dr Swali's article relates and substantiates with phylosophy... has comparatives and narratives with mentions from BAHGVAT GITA (you can recheck and reconfirm what he says and what the BHAGVAT GITA says), the other side of the coin (The Muslim World) selectively choses Islam to condemn THE REST OF THE WORLD - the QORAN definitely DOES NOT PREACH HATRED. THAT is where the difference lies and Dr Swami's highlights in his articles! Furthermore don't forget Saudi is a regular donor (millions each time) to the Harvard!!!!!
Good deed Harvard University. You regained my respect that I was almost loosing because of Kapil Sibal's autocratic attitude. It proves US universities and their students are more sensible than their politicians (e.g. Bush, Nixon). This fellow is more dangerous than even Kasab where he would be able to kill few hundreds. In contrary this man can destabilize whole India, perturb harmony of our great country by spreading hatred. We can't live in peace or improve our living standard of lives by keeping so much hatred in our mind.
IndianHinduWoman ........F**k you
Noble thoughts of a very rare order. Appreciate and impressed.
If you dont have selfrespect , you will not get respect from others. Because of people like you ( who dont hav selfrespect ) , Hindu are still not able to give the world what we can do. Also you proved that why india is poor. Really you are from poor-india. i hav simpathy with you..
mad woman!!pls have your head checked!!!
Another example of a self hating hindu. Cannot rest unless she is critisizing her own religion. Of course not all people calling themselves Indian Hinduwoman are either Indian or Hindu
She might just be looking for an election ticket!!!...who knows! It's for sure, she's captured the nerve very well - because it's seen very much in practice (in India) that bash even the right things on Hindus and Hinduismsm and praise the wrongs of the minority!!!
Listen, there is nothing wrong in being self check. That is the essence of all Eastern Philosopies. A true Hindu will not go out and shout how great Hinduism is. Know your religion, be satisfied about it.
you are a good example of a perfectly ill-educated or swalp-educated person [swalp sikhsha bhayankar ;)]. Raviji, "Atma Deepo bhaba"..en-light your self. India is for all Indians. We should not waste our positive energy by spreading hate.
Have you read Dr. Swami's article? Maybe you should read it first.You are free to agree or disagree with what he says ( and I disagree with what he says), but anyone supporting Harvard calling it "inciting hatred" has to be classified as "self-hating hindu". Secularism isn't hindu bashing as our "secularists" pride themselves in doing.
Dr Swamis' articles: Have you read them? That you have stated your discontent with his articles and painted it with the same brush as you'd have done say a speech by Guillani/ a Pak leader ("THAT" is hatred)becomes unwarranted. If Dr Swami has written something wrong, then the Bhagvat Geeta that remains an epic of relative existantialism for mankind, that too is based on wrong assuptions? ... Surely you'll agree that Bhagvat geeta DOES NOT PROMOTE HINDUISM - Hinduism is BASED on the ideals of Bhagvat Geeta. Please try and read Dr Swami's articles and do some simple analysis. Hindu bashing, I know is a fad in India - but do remember that you either speak a thinker's language (Dr Swami is MORE of a thinker) OR chose a political leader's platfomr (where Hidnu bashing has become a fad...
jake bacche sambhalo, duniya-dari tumhare bas ki nahi hai.. tumhari baat mane to hame bhi Poor_india main rehna padega
Mr. Swamy, every nationalist know what your are, your qualification, experience and honesty for nation. Please come back to India and get actively involved into Indian politics. Leave these foreign universities for the children of congress men and all of us know what they study there e.g Rajiv Gandhi, Amrit Singh (daughter of MMS) and how much nation pay for there education there in future.
Dr.Swamy - True son of India. He has been fighting against corruption for decades and every word of his is back by data.
Kesavan you have made very dangerous enemies of Modi, Dinesh patel and Rahul Joshi.
Read this (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/12/harvard-deems-truth-reprehensible-fires-subramanian-swamy-for-oped.html)
08 Dec, 2011 03:03 PM
08 Dec, 2011 03:03 PM
Reason behind Them dismissing swamis course when he expressed views for indian muslims ......... SHAME on USA and HARVARD........ Harvard has been bought and sold to the highest sharia bidder (in December 2005, Saudi Prince Al-Waleed donated $20 million each to Harvard University and Georgetown University to fund Islamic studies).......
Yes I read it. It finally says "Faculty members said that Mr Swamy's article was not a product of free speech but of hate speech." and "Dr Swamy's op-ed piece amounted to incitement of violence instead of protected political speech".
The news is not surprising. Western countries are notorious for double standards. Harvard has only confirmed this impression. What has Harvard got to do with Swami's writing- whether it was offensive or not- in an Indian newspaper?It is high time we in India stop short of worshiping the ' Yankees' and their renowned principle of 'freedom of expression' of individuals.
no comment from a hardliner terrorist like SUBRAMANIAM SWAMY . immediately he should be fired like muslim terrorists , SADDAM HUSAIN ,GADAFI ,OSAMA BIN LADEN etc .world leaders must teach lession to all hardliners , irrespective of any religion ,if they want eternal peace in this GLOBE .
How can you compare a leader like Narendra Modi with this good for nothing Swamy who does not command any following even in his native Tamil Nadu ?
Swamy alone had Chidu and the entire govt on its knees, thru legal means. do read and then comment.
Swami is exceptional human being who doesnt take sides and doesnt have biased views , a completely honest and well educated and wise man.
Decision taken by Harvard University without giving a chance to Mr Subramaniam Swamy is really unfortunate and unbecoming of a university of its reputation. Mr Swamy is teaching Economics. If in course of his teaching he says or preaches something which is objectionable, he is answerable. He is definitely not answerable if he contributes one article in any magazine in his individual capacity in any part of the world. He can be pulled up if there is any written or unwritten Code Of Conduct.for the University.
I think the same. After a long time we are seeing a true hindu as well as a thinker with logics who can move the earth. Swami and Modi should come together and do the work for elevation ogf hinduism. Just saying the truth should not be considered as a crime.
Swami is highly qualified n well matuared enough, he is having very neat n clean image so noone should blaim on him because whatever he speak , he speak with evidence not like congress leader speaks now a days!! Swamy is the real n true person who knows the real truth @ Congress Govt. well enough with all evidence against specially a sonia gandhi who is the main accussed for worst condition of india. before comment anything on swamy, see u r face in mirror that u have that much intelligency n guts !!!!!
Thanks to Swamy raja is in jail and culprits of biigest scam in India are facing the heat.
Because of Hinduism and People like Swami who protect the liberal hindu thoughts you are born as a hindu and writing your name as Vijay. Otherwise your name could have been Amjad or abrahim.
Thanks all of you fanatics. Now I know who is behind Swamy !! Swamy, a protector of Hindus ??? Are you joking ?Hinduism has survived thousands of years in spite of hundreds of years of Mogul Rule and 150 years of British Rule. Now with 85 % Hindus in our country we are quite safe, thank you., you guys are saying we Hindus are in danger and Swamy has saved us. Sorry , you are also jokers apart from being fanatics. By the way I am a proud Hindu and don't need your certificate.
you are surely an Anti-Indian. What's your real name. Come out of Madarsa or Missionary school and face the fact
Thanks all of you fanatics. Now I know who is behind Swamy !! Swamy, a protector of Hindus ??? Are you joking ?Hinduism has survived thousands of years in spite of hundreds of years of Mogul Rule and 150 years of British Rule. Now with 85 % Hindus in our country we are quite safe, thank you., you guys are saying we Hindus are in danger and Swamy has saved us. Sorry , you are also jokers apart from being fanatics. By the way I am a proud Hindu and don't need your certificate. Even those who have come from Missionary School or Madarasa are human beings and proud citizens of this country. Of course, you chaddiwalas won't understand that..
the number of people disagreeing with you proves that u are the joker here ... good day vijay from mumbai
More 'agree's to your name on TOI qualifies you to a class in Nagpur wearing a chaddi.
the only person disagreeing with u must be vijay himself....lol
Thanks all of you fanatics. Now I know who is behind Swamy !! Swamy, a protector of Hindus ??? Are you joking ?Hinduism has survived thousands of years in spite of hundreds of years of Mogul Rule and 150 years of British Rule. Now with 85 % Hindus in our country we are quite safe, thank you., you guys are saying we Hindus are in danger and Swamy has saved us. Sorry , you are also jokers apart from being fanatics. By the way I am a proud Hindu and don't need your certificate.You can say that many people agree with me.
He was teaching at Harvard and he is being fired for something that does not relate to his teaching topic. If teaching at Harvard is your idea of a joker then I wonder what that makes you!
I know a lot of Harvard and have visited it many times.Who told you there are no jokers in Harvard ? He has occasionally taught at Summer Schools in the past. I don't recall clearly but probably Chinese Economy to start with.He is in India most of the time.
I did not read what Mr. Swami has said. But if somebody works in any organization (be it a University or any other body), he or she does not need to be exactly of same mind as his or her colleagues or the organization itself. Everybody deserves the right to have his or her own opinion and to express it without fear and shame...! And what is this fear of riot or communal hatred? People cannot say what they want to say..? It is just an opinion, nobody is running or shouting in the street with a shord. Is the world going towards more freedom or just pleasing different communities....?
I back swamy in his comment that some sections of muslims are nurtured slowly towards terrorism, what is wrong in that , he does mentioned only some terrorist minded muslims are terrorists, He had told real fact of indians background as we know majority terrorists are now caught are belongs to indian muslims only only few are from pakistan. We cannot blind eye to this what he told.
Hi, Dr. Subramanian Swamy, you now owe it to yourself to spead this naked truth—that ivy league Harvard University was made with Opium money by drug runners. Punch into Google search DIRTY SECRETS OF BOSTON TEA PARTY – VADAKAYIL Be surprised! This planet has been taken for a ride by the free masons and Zionists. Capt ajit vadakayil ..
Clean politician, lol that was a good joke, Please google and read the article that was published in DNA. He is spreading communal violence in name of Hinduism.
To understand what Swamy or Ms Roy writes, you need to have an independent mind and average intelligence.
Have you read the Article or you have just read what DNA or any other News agency or a blogger has said about his Article? First read the article..YES article is of an angry Indian, who is angry since Partition, who was angry because of 7/11...on why this unjustified Appeasment has been given to Muslims. WHYYYY??? why they need everything special for them...why we all cant be equal. And yes article was not against a Religion it was against Terrorism. First Read the article not the views of any PSEUDO-SECULAR blogger or news paper. Jai Hind Jai Bharat
Harvard & all those western theories & princilpals have thrown this world into Moral,Economic ,Financial baknrupcy Swami better study our own rich culture
This is beacause of hindu , you are enjoying life and still in this world. If you think you will be safe in their lap,show some courage and go there . You can then judge what you lost.
We are discussion about country and the facts...please stop your dirty trick of "early thinking or later thinking" to misguide readers. You people don't want India to have good leaders they know history and have future vision.
wow.. here comes a certified deshbhakt, who is always busy judging others deshbhakti.. pls stop preaching about patriotism, as it leads to nowhere, though it may give u a sense of satisfaction that you are the only one bothered about India.
Swamy is right in every sense. If Israel can be a jewish country why can't india? Shame on these pseudo-secularism. why should we allow a separate set of laws for muslims?? why they will be allowed to celebrate while pk wins??? In my locality no madrasas hoist a national flag on 15th Aug... If they dont respect India they why should they be allowed to vote????? Go to pakistan and do what you like.. and read quoran before that...
Swami forget Harvard, just sit in India and keep filing cases against all and keep yourself busy for rest of your life. You have no client though being a lawayer so best just keep filing cases, why is that you did not file a case against Madam Sonia that she took money from WALMART for allowing FDI in India. Friend there are so many issues and also NDTV to keep interviewing you daily. firget USA and Harvard.
KUMAR (CHENNAI), if I say you are a fool, the word fool will love its dignity. Understand, Mr Swamy is not a lawyer, but his wife is.
Hey Kumar I guess I know you...you are the one who never VOTE, who sits in AC room and critize everything and anything, who want change just by sipping tea/coffee. There are many like you, and we(social Activist) actully need people like you. Your criticism give us anger and energy to do more for this country. your criticism is like Poison that a farmer spray on its crop, this poison help the crop grow better. We need you. And For Mr Swamy...we Love you Sir, keep doing the great service to this country...I wish one day I could day 1% of what you have done so far for this country, which is dieing slowly due congress and its policies. Jai Hind Jai Bharat.
Do you know that you are a foll. Answer Yes/ No ?
It is wrong to say that Swamy's op-ed piece was on Islamic terrorism. It was a hate diatribe against the whole Muslim community, and was designed to fan the flames of communal hatred. As Harvard professor Sean D. Kelly said, "the views expressed in Dr. Swamy’s op-ed piece amounted to incitement of violence instead of protected political speech."
truth hurts brother!! absolute truth hurts absolutely!!ask how many of those who are against swami would openly criticise the american govt for bombing innocents in iraq and afghanisthan??wake up and realise the truth.if same swami had written against the VHP or RSS he would be hailed today as a great secularist. grow up and face the truth and find a way to overcome the problems within your community.
The fact that a blatant piece of hate prachar is seen as "truth" shows the degree to which the brain-washing program of the parivar has been successful in poisoning our minds.
You see violence only west asian countries after those articles ? Ghulam are u from there?
Swamy has every right to express his thinking. This is all about his freedom, what we were discussing after Sibbal's remark over the FB/TW. And why he is asking for the reconsideration if Swamy has made an objectionable note. It should be argued. And if the harvard is making wrong procedure or against anyone's view, it does not deserve the reputaion it owes today.
Learn to understand. it could be vice-versa. it could good and appreciation too. Action at a place and reaction at another place, which does not have a relation, is not acceptable, right?
simple... the university doesn't want a man who is teaching their students about the economy of asia and india in particular, to be part of a hate mongering and right centric propoganda...somebody who tries to kill him comes into university?? would u want blood on ur hands?? eh??
Blind Faith...learn something from IndianhinduWoman above.
do you think the article written by swami is Patriotism? If so, hats off to you...
One thing obvious about the Muslim community of India are always against reason and logic and they are always against progressive people. Their heart and soul is religion and communal. They are even against fighting corrupt politicians becuase they support corrupt UPA
muslims support the corrupt UPA because they dont to die at the hands on the sangh parivar...like in gujrat
No Mr Chand you are wrong.Muslims don't want for Congress because if they do the Congress would have got 350 seats in Parliament which they used to during Nehruji-Indiraji and Rajiv's regimes.
Okay did some research on reasons behind this quick decision without a petition and who might be the stake holders. I am sure media will never research this! looks like Harvard President Drew Gilpin Faust is scheduled visit to India in 2 weeks, hoping to enter into deals with HRD ministry and many government aided Universities. And as you all know in 2G chidambaram is going to get his sheep skin removed.Its hard to embarrass the congress who are so thick skinned but any may cause embarrassment UPA will now be more than happy to paint
When its MF Hussain, media holds freedom of speech as absolute right but when its Swamy it become freedom of speech WITH CONDITIONS
but did u allow freedom of speach with MF Hussain? u made him die in exile. Why not do same with swamy then? but which country will adopt this do g?
Then you are supporting MF Hussain's exile by supporting Havard..... nice
Swami has not hurt sentiments of anyone. All he said is that muslims should acknowledge their ancestory thats it. A particular group are like butter, getting hurt about anything and everything, these same people do not mind even killing others in the basis of differences.
Harvard snubs Subramanian Swamy, drops courses taught by him December 08, 2011 01:20 IST Harvard University has decided to dissociate itself from Dr Subramanian Swamy's controversial article in a Mumbai [ Images ] newspaper. George Joseph reports from New York. A meeting of the faculty of arts and sciences at Harvard University in the United States has voted to remove the summer economic courses taught by Janata Party leader Dr Subramanian Swamy. The decision was taken after a heated debate, according to The Harvard Crimson, the campus newspaper. Comparative Religion Professor Diana L Eck brought the amendment to exclude Dr Swamy's Economics S-110 (Quantitative Methods in Economics and Business and Economics) and S-1316 (Economic Development in India [ Images ] and East Asia) from the Summer School catalogue. Dr Swamy got his PhD in economics in 1965 from Harvard and served as an assistant and associate professor. Ever since Dr Swamy wrote an op-ed article in the Mumbai newspaper DNA in July, calling for the disfranchisement of non-Hindus who do not acknowledge Hindu ancestry and a ban on conversion among other contentious demands, he has been in the eye of a storm. Dr Swamy's article came days after the serial bombings in Mumbai on July 13. Two PhD students, Umang Kumar and Sanjay Pinto, started an online petition asking for the removal of courses taught by Dr Swamy, which received more than 450 signatures from students and faculty. However, Harvard sided with Dr Swamy on the principle of free speech. 'Swamy's op-ed clearly crosses the line by demonising an entire religious community and calling for violence against their sacred places,' Eck said, adding that Harvard has a moral responsibility not to affiliate itself with anyone who expresses hatred towards a minority group. According to the Crimson, 'There is a distinction between unpopular and unwelcome political views.' Many faculty members felt the article was not free speech, but hate speech. "Swamy's position on disenfranchisement is like saying Jewish Americans and African Americans should not be allowed to vote unless they acknowledge the supremacy of white Anglo Saxon Protestants," said History Professor Sugata Bose, a grandnephew of Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose. Dean of the Summer School Donald H Pfister explained that courses included in the catalog are chosen by individual departments. 'I find (Dr Swamy's) position reprehensible, but on the other hand, it is our duty to support departments and their offerings,' he said. 'I was persuaded... that the views expressed in Dr Swamy's op-ed piece amounted to incitement of violence instead of protected political speech,' Philosophy Department Chair Sean D Kelly wrote in an e-mail to the Crimson. Umang Kumar and Sanjay Pinto's petition was launched under the banner of Coalition Against Bigotry at Harvard. It said 'Swamy's views are deeply offensive; they are also dangerous. The measures he proposes -- far out of step with the everyday secularism and tolerance embodied by most Indians -- would threaten to tear apart the basic fabric of India's pluralist democracy. And, as Indians know too well, the brand of rhetoric that he employs has fueled violence against religious minorities in the past.' According to Kumar and Pinto, Swamy's comments crossed a line. "They stereotype an entire population of people. How can this man who expresses these views, who's basically saying that India should only be for Hindus and not for other people, and denigrating all Muslims, how can he teach students at Harvard?" asked Pinto. "Both of us decided we really needed to take action. His comments are wrong on many levels. They put forth a vision of Indian society in which not all religious groups are welcome, which is very different from the India that both of us know," Pinto said after the petition was launched. Dr Swamy told the Crimson that he was a religiously tolerant person. 'I can't condemn all Muslims. I'm not against them. I never said Muslims as a whole are terrorists.' He claimed that the response in India to his op-ed was positive. 'I don't think anyone in India, except the left wing, has been upset by my article. There has been wholesale support,' he said. Ultimately, Harvard university said it was distressed by his statements, but stood by Dr Swamy on the principle of free speech. In a statement, Division of Continuing Education spokesperson Linda A Cross said, 'It is central to the mission of a university to protect free speech, including that of Dr Swamy and of those who disagree with him. We are ultimately stronger as a university when we maintain our commitment to the most basic freedoms that enable the robust exchange of ideas.' The petitioners later said they were not aiming to silencing Dr Swamy. 'Rather, it calls on Harvard to dissociate itself from someone who engages in hate speech... Dr Swamy's comments stand in opposition to the goal of fostering reasoned civil discourse at Harvard,' they said in a statement. 'In short, we the undersigned condemn Subramanian Swamy and the views that he has expressed in the strongest terms,' they added. 'Someone who voices such ideas while continuing to teach at Harvard seriously compromises the university's integrity, undermining its commitment to diversity and tolerance.' George Joseph in New York
Dear Swami ji , Let the harvard university remove your course, they are the people with two standard, when any one from asia speaks the true, they will say it is against the people, when some one from west speaks then they will say it is freedom of speech, swamiji forget those a88 ho88. ok
booked under NSA...lol...r u really an Indian..i doubt?
idiot. see how many disagrees u have got.. no need of any comment on your comment .
Swamy has a point, whether or not Swamy's writings are correct or otherwise. He was certainly a respected teacher in his specialisation. Firstly, it is not Harvard's business what he writes or thinks when he is outside Harvard. If he has not written anything offensive while under the umbrella of Harvard, then Harvard has no right to even judge him - a simple matter of jurisdiction. Actually they are acting like they are in the medieval times - where thinkers would be punished for their thoughts and personal opinions by those who are totally unconnected to the person's comments.
Things are taking place at right time, when one and many can react to some action taken arbitrarily. This equals the action of Bashar al-Assad of Syria or Putin now in Moscow. Some arrogant at some place will keep acting at his own will. So is Harvard University. We in India will be concerned on our domestic matter and save dignity anywhere in future. As with simplest instigation, S.S.Ahluwalia (MP)gave strong statement in Parliament on Italian style of handling head gear of indian/s. So matter is justified. Now our action is due.
This person is illogical. Teaching in Harvard University and speaking childish way. If a person writes wrong about any country or religion in one country and teaches in another country, does it mean that he should not be accountable for that? Countries may change but the ideology of a person is same "Saffron ideology". I feel Harvard has taken right decision to get rid of him and his ideology.
You people have only one ideology killing innocents in the name of holy war. Is in't it ..You are not eligible to even clean the gates of Harvard ...better not comment on matters which you dont understand ..
No strange lunatics like you support extremists views.
If you hate safron stop utilising it in your Biryani- will find the difference in taste.Are you disputing what he wrote in his article - or does it hurt that he wrote such a reality
Oh your's is a green ideology then, which is a very dangerous ideology...
Would your statements be still valid if he had written about other religion, which you hate? Possibly not. Even if many of us know he is right, we dont accept it. Why?
Appeasement by the US auths via Harvard - related to a file that was created by the ruling kings/ queen's men here in India to play havoc on Dr S Swami (the truth seeker)! ... and in return maybe the aircraft purchase deal will be re-opened?!?!?! who knows!
My dear friend - They are under pressure from so called Gandhi family. Sonia, Raul, Priyanka Vadera and all converted congress gang is doing there best to get rid from Mr. Swamy.
You are surely relative of some converted congressmen. Am I right
Just see the number of disagrees..... are u not a true indian. Politicans, rahul vinci, sonia gandhi and all can rome around freely. and why the hell SS should be put under trial.
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