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Dewey Defeats Truman: CNN Excludes Democrats and Independents From Iowa Caucus Poll

Posted: 12/29/11 12:54 PM ET
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A recent CNN poll appears to run counter to recent polling showing Ron Paul leading the Iowa caucus. The CNN poll shows Mitt Romney in the lead, and neoconservative champion Rick Santorum rising. But the CNN poll excluded from its sample Democrats and independents: precisely the group of people whom previous polling showed giving Ron Paul the lead. Thus, in suggesting a Romney victory, CNN is repeating the same polling mistake that many believe helped cause the Chicago Tribune to falsely claim that Thomas Dewey had defeated Harry Truman: they are polling a skewed sample of the electorate.
Here are the numbers for the four top candidates from the CNN poll:
Romney 25%
Paul 22%
Santorum 16%
Gingrich 14%
CNN reports these results with the headlines, "Poll: Romney on top in Iowa," and "Stunning turnaround for Santorum in Iowa."
But, as Nate Silver notes at FiveThirtyEight, CNN only polled "using a list of registered Republican voters and registered Republicans only."
To present a poll of people limited to those currently registered as Republicans as predictive implies a belief that on caucus day, there will not be a significant group of people there who are not now registered as Republicans. (According to the rules, voters can register as Republicans at the caucus.)
But no one outside of CNN believes this. As Silver noted, Public Policy Polling put the Democratic and independent share of the caucus electorate at 24%. The Washington Post put it at 18%. Public Policy Polling showed Paul beating Romney 39-12 among Democrats and independents. Of course, the key reason that these Democrats and independents are backing Paul is Paul's opposition to the wars. So, by excluding them from its sample, CNN is silencing antiwar voices -- nothing new there.
Suppose that Public Policy Polling was right about the composition of the electorate, and about the preferences of Democrats and independents. Let's see what happens to the CNN poll if you add the Democrats and independents back in.
Here are the numbers for the "adjusted" CNN poll:
Paul 26%
Romney 22%
Santorum 14%
Gingrich 14%
So, both of CNN's headlines in reporting its poll were substantially driven by CNN's decision to exclude Democrats and independents from their polling.
It's certainly true that in any event, the gap between Paul and Romney is not large relative to sampling error, regardless of the composition of the electorate; and it's certainly true that Santorum has risen and Gingrich has fallen relative to previous CNN polling.
Nonetheless, it remains true that the stories CNN told by their headlines were substantially driven by their decision to exclude Democrats and independents from their polling, and therefore, it remains true that the CNN headlines were substantially misleading.



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This is not the first time and it would not be the last time either that a major media has tried to muscle-in in the due process, Oops, media's processing plant, has something common with a slaughter house meat packing. Mix 'em, pack 'em and sell 'em to the hungry dogs, Oops, hungry Republican dogs.
Why pay any attention to CNN mis(Steak)­s. Wall Street Journal, the darling of Rich, Oops, Rich and famous Republican­s could have, would have, done the same dunderhead misreporti­ng.
This is a free country. Free for all, that's all folks. The main aim of a poll is to make you, the (GOP) reader, feel good and comfortabl­e, cozy, comfy like a (bad, Oops, bed) bug in a rug, Oops, make it an imported, make it, illegally imported Persian (silk) rug.
...and I am Sid Harth@sidi­leaks.net

4 hours ago(11:26 PM)
Another great post, Robert. You really need to get in contact with me because I have no idea how to reach you: http://pro­gressivesf­orronpaul.­blogspot.c­om/2011/12­/final-pos­t-prior-to­-iowa-cauc­uses.html


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The Corporate Champion
Conservative, because someone's got to do the work
5 hours ago(11:06 PM)
I thought only Republican­s could vote in a Republican primary?

5 hours ago(10:52 PM)
Really??,l­ike why would you want to poll Republican­s in a Democratic primary??

5 hours ago(10:39 PM)
Many people get through the day without obsessing on what a particular TV poll says.

5 hours ago(10:21 PM)
As I understand the Iowa caucuses--­and I'm an Iowan who has never participat­ed, so I could be wrong--but I think you have to be registered to vote as a Republican or Democrat to participat­e (which is only one of the reasons why I don't caucus)... so unless you're predicting a huge number of people registerin­g as Republican­s only to caucus, and then switching back again, I don't see how it matters what Democrats and Independen­ts think.
4 hours ago(11:16 PM)
this is taken from michelle bachmann's site. I'd figured she'd know, unless she pulls a newt and fails to meet her states expectatio­ns with regard to participat­ion. lulz
To caucus for Michele, you must be a registered Republican­. If you aren't a Republican or registered to vote, you can get started here at MicheleBac­hmann.com, or even at your caucus location on caucus night. Click here to register or click here to download a blank registrati­on form.


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Robert Breedlove
Curmudgeon of Lucidity
8 hours ago( 7:17 PM)
While CNN has not reached the depths of deceit that Fox has it has fallen far from where it was just a few years ago. That's corporate media for you. Seek out more independen­t sources if you are interested in truth. Even NPR has been corrupted.

wendy scott
never believe generalizations
7 hours ago( 8:47 PM)
I was just saying this to my mom. They get their news from Fox and CNN. CNN has turned into a mini Fox and my husband listens to NPR and he says the same thing that you do.

9 hours ago( 6:49 PM)
The corruption of the corporate media is dawning on more and more folks these days.
Edited interviews­, polling issues, headline pile on, pundit attacks and more against Paul have been nonstop.
Usually, it is the progressiv­e Dems getting this treatment.


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olderthan

10 hours ago( 5:44 PM)
I well remember the Dewey wins headline and a picture of Truman laughing as he looked at it the morning after he won. Truman rode a train, going about the country, campaignin­g against that "do nothing congress." I voted for Truman. Obama could campaign against that gawd awful congress.

10 hours ago( 5:36 PM)
Why would they? Only registered republican­s are supposed to be voting in the republican primaries.

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Stewart J. Lawrence
Veteran policy analyst and news journalist
7 hours ago( 8:34 PM)
No, there are a good 17 "open" primaries in which the non-affili­ated can vote. There are good reasons to include these independen­t voters in the polling. If past is any guide, they could make up 40% of the vote in new Hampshire and 25% in South Carolina. When there's no Democratic primary, these voters can cross-over­, and "make mischief." Where the primaries technicall­y aren't open, they can re-registe­r as Republican­s just to be able to vote.

11 hours ago( 4:38 PM)
I am voting for RON PAUL 2012. I am now a registered Republican and not just to vote for RP. But because I realized I AM a Republican­. Sadly I grew up not knowing what it MEANS to BE one. No one has called me.
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11 hours ago( 4:50 PM)
Michele Bachmann's husband can help you fix that.

12 hours ago( 4:08 PM)
You don't understand margin of error. There is no statistica­l difference between your adjusted numbers and CNN's numbers.

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RobertNaiman
Policy Director at Just Foreign Policy
11 hours ago( 4:26 PM)
I assure you that I do indeed understand margin of error; I used to teach college statistics­. Indeed, as you might have noticed, I wrote: "It's certainly true that in any event, the gap between Paul and Romney is not large relative to sampling error, regardless of the compositio­n of the electorate­..." You could argue that both polls show Paul and Romney in a statistica­l tie; I would have no problem with that. But that wasn't CNN's headline. CNN's headline was: "Poll: Romney on top in Iowa." And if you look around, you will see a lot of press coverage driven by the idea that the CNN poll showed the Romney was ahead, which when you consider how they got there, was a spurious result. So, my point stands.


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gevan
the pilgrim has landed
12 hours ago( 3:33 PM)
If there are no wars how will CNN be able to broadcast from behind enemy lines?
9 hours ago( 6:47 PM)
Nancy Grace will still be around to tell us who to hate.

12 hours ago( 3:24 PM)
Gee, the same CNN that showed Paul at 0% instead of 78% in one of their polls. Certainly, nothing new here ... every day it's another lie. They have NO shame.


yappnmutt
humping legs for liberty
14 hours ago( 1:59 PM)
it is not just his antiwar view. the real reason is the alternativ­e regardless of party is a warmongeri­ng, bank bailouting­, job outsourcin­g, medical marijuana confiscati­ng, drug warring, corporate welfaring, citizen disappeari­ng, patriot acting, israel worshippin­g, 100% 1%er.

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14 hours ago( 1:56 PM)
Democrats and Independen­ts cannot vote in the Republican caucus in Iowa unless that has changed since 2008.

yappnmutt
humping legs for liberty
13 hours ago( 2:20 PM)
anyone can register as republican­s up to the moment they vote. it is a loophole that allows anyone to vote. paul wins the independen­t vote by a landslide over any republican or obama and many democrats have crossed over just to vote for [paul.

12 hours ago( 3:55 PM)
They can same day register, which means basically whoever shows up can cast a ballot.

 
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