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Lok Sabha passes Lokpal Bill with amendments
See photoNEW DELHI: After a wait of 43 years and an intense 11 hour-debate that lasted almost till the stroke of the midnight hour, the Lokpal and Lokayukta Bill was passed by the Lok Sabha by a voice vote after the government agreed to 10 amendments. It also secured the passage of the Whistleblowers Bill. But a legislation designed to confer constitutional status on the anti-corruption watchdog fell through, as the government failed to get two-thirds support for it-prompting finance minister Pranab Mukherjee to lament, "a sad day for India, a sad day for democracy".
At least 15 Congress members and close to a dozen belonging to UPA allies were not present at the time of voting, contributing to the defeat of the idea first proposed by Rahul Gandhi- who had termed it a "game-changer"-in August. The government needed an aye vote from 288 out of the 432 members present in the House. It could manage only 249, though there were 275 UPA members present in the Lok Sabha in the morning. The defeat led BJP leader Yashwant Sinha to demand that the government quit as it had lost moral authority. "Say bye, not aye,'' he quipped.
The government was able to get the Lokpal bill itself through thanks to its accommodative stance and the surprise decision of the BSP, SP and RJD not to participate in voting: something which brought down the effective strength of the House and eased the task of the government's managers to rustle up numbers.
The Constitution (116th Amendment) Bill, 2011 was crafted to give effect to Rahul Gandhi's proposal that the proposed ombudsman should have constitutional status. The Congress general secretary's suggestion had led Parliament's standing committee to recommend it although the issue was not on Team Anna's "wish list".
Although the absence of 26 UPA MPs was an important factor for the defeat, the government accused the opposition of seeking to weaken the fight against corruption. "We have the majority but we don't have the two-thirds majority", said Mukherjee, putting the onus of the Bill's defeat on the opposition.
Other Congress members also lost no time in raising the chorus of accusations against the opposition for denying the Lokpal constitutional status. The opposition hit back by saying that the UPA was trying to cover its own failure. "It seems certain sections in government were not happy with the proposal and they sabotaged it. Now they are trying to score propaganda points against the opposition", said CPM leader Sitaram Yechury.
BJP's Yashwant Sinha also accused the government of deliberately losing the vote in order to pin the blame on the opposition, particularly the BJP. The failure of the Constitutional Amendment Bill means that Rajya Sabha will on Wednesday debate only the Lokpal Bill and the Whistleblowers Bill. The Lokpal Bill faces a tough task in the Upper House as the UPA does not have a majority there and will find it difficult to get the legislation passed even if SP, BSP and RJD repeat their walkouts. Opposition will have more success in getting its amendments accepted in the Upper House. In a worrying development, Trinamool indicated late on Tuesday night that it was unhappy with the concession on compulsory setting up of Lokayukta. It will decide how to vote in the RS on Wednesday morning.
The amendments agreed to important concessions and helped government placate some of the restive supporters. It accepted the demand that states should not be compelled by a central law to set up Lokayuktas: a tweak which helped them to neutralize two UPA partners Trinamool Congress and DMK who had joined the Opposition in criticizing the original provision which would have made it mandatory for States to have Lokayuktas.
The attack on the Opposition was part of government's strategy to occupy the high moral ground in the fight against corruption. In the debate, Congress leaders accused Opposition of blocking the landmark because they were not sincere in fighting corruption. They said that the House should not let go of the moment to pass the landmark legislation, a far cry from the days when large sections in the government chafed at being pushed by the civil society to set up Lokpal.
Government also accepted BJP leader Sushma Swaraj's amendment to dilute the provision which required 3-4ths of Lokpal to agree on starting proceedings against Prime Minister. Now the requirement has been reduced to an agreement among two-thirds of the anti-corruption body. Section 24 which required presiding officers of legislatures to report to Lokpal action taken on reports compiled against their members has been done away with. So has been the provision which put the armed forces within Lokpal's purview.
At least 15 Congress members and close to a dozen belonging to UPA allies were not present at the time of voting, contributing to the defeat of the idea first proposed by Rahul Gandhi- who had termed it a "game-changer"-in August. The government needed an aye vote from 288 out of the 432 members present in the House. It could manage only 249, though there were 275 UPA members present in the Lok Sabha in the morning. The defeat led BJP leader Yashwant Sinha to demand that the government quit as it had lost moral authority. "Say bye, not aye,'' he quipped.
The government was able to get the Lokpal bill itself through thanks to its accommodative stance and the surprise decision of the BSP, SP and RJD not to participate in voting: something which brought down the effective strength of the House and eased the task of the government's managers to rustle up numbers.
The Constitution (116th Amendment) Bill, 2011 was crafted to give effect to Rahul Gandhi's proposal that the proposed ombudsman should have constitutional status. The Congress general secretary's suggestion had led Parliament's standing committee to recommend it although the issue was not on Team Anna's "wish list".
Although the absence of 26 UPA MPs was an important factor for the defeat, the government accused the opposition of seeking to weaken the fight against corruption. "We have the majority but we don't have the two-thirds majority", said Mukherjee, putting the onus of the Bill's defeat on the opposition.
Other Congress members also lost no time in raising the chorus of accusations against the opposition for denying the Lokpal constitutional status. The opposition hit back by saying that the UPA was trying to cover its own failure. "It seems certain sections in government were not happy with the proposal and they sabotaged it. Now they are trying to score propaganda points against the opposition", said CPM leader Sitaram Yechury.
BJP's Yashwant Sinha also accused the government of deliberately losing the vote in order to pin the blame on the opposition, particularly the BJP. The failure of the Constitutional Amendment Bill means that Rajya Sabha will on Wednesday debate only the Lokpal Bill and the Whistleblowers Bill. The Lokpal Bill faces a tough task in the Upper House as the UPA does not have a majority there and will find it difficult to get the legislation passed even if SP, BSP and RJD repeat their walkouts. Opposition will have more success in getting its amendments accepted in the Upper House. In a worrying development, Trinamool indicated late on Tuesday night that it was unhappy with the concession on compulsory setting up of Lokayukta. It will decide how to vote in the RS on Wednesday morning.
The amendments agreed to important concessions and helped government placate some of the restive supporters. It accepted the demand that states should not be compelled by a central law to set up Lokayuktas: a tweak which helped them to neutralize two UPA partners Trinamool Congress and DMK who had joined the Opposition in criticizing the original provision which would have made it mandatory for States to have Lokayuktas.
The attack on the Opposition was part of government's strategy to occupy the high moral ground in the fight against corruption. In the debate, Congress leaders accused Opposition of blocking the landmark because they were not sincere in fighting corruption. They said that the House should not let go of the moment to pass the landmark legislation, a far cry from the days when large sections in the government chafed at being pushed by the civil society to set up Lokpal.
Government also accepted BJP leader Sushma Swaraj's amendment to dilute the provision which required 3-4ths of Lokpal to agree on starting proceedings against Prime Minister. Now the requirement has been reduced to an agreement among two-thirds of the anti-corruption body. Section 24 which required presiding officers of legislatures to report to Lokpal action taken on reports compiled against their members has been done away with. So has been the provision which put the armed forces within Lokpal's purview.
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Readers' opinions (51)
satish (Bangalore)
7 mins ago (05:07 AM)
BJP leader Yashwant Sinha said, "The dream that Rahul Gandhi had shown to Congressmen has been torn down. If this government has little shame it should quit." Listen what BJP leader Yashwant Sinha said at press. MMS and congress has no moral to rule this country
7 mins ago (05:07 AM)
BJP leader Yashwant Sinha said, "The dream that Rahul Gandhi had shown to Congressmen has been torn down. If this government has little shame it should quit." Listen what BJP leader Yashwant Sinha said at press. MMS and congress has no moral to rule this country
Ramesh Chavan (Pune)
19 mins ago (04:55 AM)
So far we all took aim at the Congress. Little did we realise, it is also the BJP that wants to kill the bill. All politicians are of the same feather. The common man is once agin fooled by the tricky planning of these main political parties. BJP will be put to the acid test tomorrow to ensure the bill gets through the Rajya sabha
19 mins ago (04:55 AM)
So far we all took aim at the Congress. Little did we realise, it is also the BJP that wants to kill the bill. All politicians are of the same feather. The common man is once agin fooled by the tricky planning of these main political parties. BJP will be put to the acid test tomorrow to ensure the bill gets through the Rajya sabha
21 mins ago (04:53 AM)
--a sad day for India , a sad for democracy--good rhetoric, but forget another rhetoric in golden letters,'democracy is the government of the people , by the people for the people'. Pranab Mukherji is sad that the opposition front didn't vote for the weak lifeless Lokpal Bill to get a two third majority in the house to become constitutional amendmend status to the bill for STaTuS for among public. The left political parties have put up amendments to the bill, most important among them no person, say pm, or mps should not given no immunity in matters of corruption matters.But bothe upa and nda were in coalition to reject left a's amendments. We doubt that the marathon closed camera discussion between Mukherji and and opposition leader Sushama Swaraj and Advani was to get the support of opposition for the weak lokpal bill and how to get defused the amendments to the bill by the left parties. opposition helped the ruling front ot defeat the the amendments of left but backtracked to support for two third majority. Mukherji is pained at the retreat of the opposition. tail end--Lokpal bill passed. The parliament can bring amendments and constitutional status. let it be an issue in the next general election, wait for it.
dgkg60 (Cuttack)
23 mins ago (04:51 AM)
How easy it is to block the will of the people in Parliament. Parliamentarians never want a Lokpal Bill in the first place Good Lokpal or Bad Lokpal. Why does not the President have a VETO power? All Political Parties do is FIGHT to show their might in Parliament, but are not bothered about the people. The most corrupt Parliamentarian shouts the most, you know who I m referring to.
23 mins ago (04:51 AM)
How easy it is to block the will of the people in Parliament. Parliamentarians never want a Lokpal Bill in the first place Good Lokpal or Bad Lokpal. Why does not the President have a VETO power? All Political Parties do is FIGHT to show their might in Parliament, but are not bothered about the people. The most corrupt Parliamentarian shouts the most, you know who I m referring to.
wali (potterswheel swansea uk)
45 mins ago (04:29 AM)
Scientific proof : fair and lovely cream causes brain damge, i wondered why mms was so flushed looking(down the toilet). I think as long as india allows asbestos use and skin bleaches they will allways be killing their own.Fact india is a racist shite hole thats why they worship sonia and porno skin bleach bolly dolly whores.
45 mins ago (04:29 AM)
Scientific proof : fair and lovely cream causes brain damge, i wondered why mms was so flushed looking(down the toilet). I think as long as india allows asbestos use and skin bleaches they will allways be killing their own.Fact india is a racist shite hole thats why they worship sonia and porno skin bleach bolly dolly whores.
I am glad, even if many concessions, demanded by friends and foes of Congress led UPA-II have been accepted, against all logic.
I have some news from America. It is a summation of a senior senator, Mr Chris Dodd:
The 111th Congress: Some memorable bills, some botched basics
December 23, 2010
By Deirdre Shesgreen WASHINGTON--As he walked to the Senate floor to cast his final votes this week, retiring Sen. Chris Dodd remarked that bills that he'd been pushing unsuccessfully for years were suddenly flying through to final passage in the waning days of this Congress. A food allergy measure. A child abuse prevention bill. A low-income housing proposal. All are now headed to the White House for the president's signature. "It's been a remarkable 26 months-nothing quite like it in my 30 years," Dodd said, reflecting on the 111th Congress and the preceding economic meltdown that set the stage for two straight years of sweeping legislative action. Rep. Joe Courtney, too, mentioned accomplishments, while also on pins-and-needles about what comes next. Because of a long, lame duck session, Congress will have little time to recover from the dizzying blur of legislative activity before gearing up for a fresh round of political battles. In just the last few weeks, Congress has approved, among other things, an $858 billion tax cut package, a nuclear arms treaty, the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell, and a health care bill for first responders who helped with rescue and recovery after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. "It's a lot of stuff that's coming fast and furious," Courtney said in an interview before the House reconvened for one last vote. "In terms of the scope of issues-education, health care, financial reform--in many respects I think [this Congress] is as sweeping as the Great Society Congress," Courtney said. "The difference is that we are in the midst of a terrible recession and that kind of casts a big shadow on the work that took place here." There's little question that the 111th Congress is one of the productive in recent memory achievements--big and small alike. Dodd, for example, has already gotten a heap of attention for his role in the back-to-back Democratic victories on enacting health care reform and a Wall Street overhaul. On Monday, Dodd went to the White House for one final photo-op with President Barack Obama, who signed into law a bill he sponsored to bolster federal efforts to treat and prevent child abuse. "The problems of climate change and energy dependence get worse every day, but the reality is the composition of Congress has changed," Lieberman said. "Nothing as comprehensive as the American Power Act... has any chance in the next two years, so we've got to go back and clear the table." DeLauro said she anticipates political fireworks next year over federal spending. Courtney said his priorities for the next Congress would be pushing an overhaul of the No Child Left Behind education law. True Democracy. ...and I am Sid Harth
sidharta (bodhgaya) replies to Sid Harth
21 mins ago (04:53 AM)
YOU TALK SHITE SO GO AND DRINK SONIA GANDHIS URINE WE KNOW YOU USE FAIR AND LOVELY SKIN BLEACH YOU WAFFLEING TWIT you are scum nonsence poster congress traitor pos
21 mins ago (04:53 AM)
YOU TALK SHITE SO GO AND DRINK SONIA GANDHIS URINE WE KNOW YOU USE FAIR AND LOVELY SKIN BLEACH YOU WAFFLEING TWIT you are scum nonsence poster congress traitor pos
kick out corruption (INDIA) replies to Sid Harth
28 mins ago (04:46 AM)
May be you are or may be not Sid Harth, but definitely you are paltu janwar of India's most corrupt government ever in 64 year history. Shame on this govt and shame on you.
28 mins ago (04:46 AM)
May be you are or may be not Sid Harth, but definitely you are paltu janwar of India's most corrupt government ever in 64 year history. Shame on this govt and shame on you.
48 mins ago (04:26 AM)
The good signals emante of the Ombudman bill getting through In Lok Sabha. I am sure it would get through in RS with certain amendments. As lay man, it is difficult to know the nity-wity of its contents and provisions. What common people are interested to see that it keeps controlling caps on corruptions and some respite seen emerging. Lets wait and watch, how effective, is this bill.
21 mins ago (04:53 AM)
Mr Dubey , Congress just wanted to push its own version of LokPal which has nothing to do with fighting corruption, and it did. To fool innocent people of India that see we have passed LokPal. Butter cannot replace margerine.But sure it can fool people.
Ash (uk)
56 mins ago (04:18 AM)
It's so obvious that the political class have no regards for the people or country. They are only interested in themselves , their power and money. They will sell their soul if it makes them money and power. The issue of corruption should be a non partisan affair and the results shows it was anything but that. I feel sorry for India and its people. They are the big looser here..
56 mins ago (04:18 AM)
It's so obvious that the political class have no regards for the people or country. They are only interested in themselves , their power and money. They will sell their soul if it makes them money and power. The issue of corruption should be a non partisan affair and the results shows it was anything but that. I feel sorry for India and its people. They are the big looser here..
Ash (Mumbai) replies to Ram
26 mins ago (04:48 AM)
So Ram is in "vanwas"! There is hope for country...We remaining Indians will keep fighting!
26 mins ago (04:48 AM)
So Ram is in "vanwas"! There is hope for country...We remaining Indians will keep fighting!
Aryan (Delhi) replies to Ram
34 mins ago (04:40 AM)
Bro juz pray to God you don't have to come back. World at present is more concerned about environment, population, pollution etc. but this govt is just bothered about its vote bank. I bet this govt will never pass strong lokpal bill, coz the day strong lokpal will pass majority of UPA cabinet will be in Tihar jail.
34 mins ago (04:40 AM)
Bro juz pray to God you don't have to come back. World at present is more concerned about environment, population, pollution etc. but this govt is just bothered about its vote bank. I bet this govt will never pass strong lokpal bill, coz the day strong lokpal will pass majority of UPA cabinet will be in Tihar jail.
kumar (United Kingdom) replies to Ram
53 mins ago (04:21 AM)
Yes we are lucky to be out of good India that turned into bledy India.
53 mins ago (04:21 AM)
Yes we are lucky to be out of good India that turned into bledy India.
pendu jatt (hindustan) replies to Ram
53 mins ago (04:21 AM)
apney saath sonia aur rahul aur congressi chamcho ko bhi le ja...bhagwaan tera bhala karenge...
53 mins ago (04:21 AM)
apney saath sonia aur rahul aur congressi chamcho ko bhi le ja...bhagwaan tera bhala karenge...
kalki (delhi gate)
1 hr ago (04:08 AM)
stupid fujkin indians want to be white , not black money it is but gora chor!! kali ma like to kill sonia and rahul? lets do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1 hr ago (04:08 AM)
stupid fujkin indians want to be white , not black money it is but gora chor!! kali ma like to kill sonia and rahul? lets do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tarun (Sydney) replies to Dr. Kishor
45 mins ago (04:29 AM)
You wrote your title as a doctor and at the same time you are encouraging people to drink and drive.... Are you out of your freaking mind? What if someone will kill himself or some innocent.. There can be other reasons for the going to jail.
45 mins ago (04:29 AM)
You wrote your title as a doctor and at the same time you are encouraging people to drink and drive.... Are you out of your freaking mind? What if someone will kill himself or some innocent.. There can be other reasons for the going to jail.
Manoj (Paris) replies to Sameer
1 hr ago (04:13 AM)
Probably best for millions to go to jail. It will solve the corruption issue
1 hr ago (04:13 AM)
Probably best for millions to go to jail. It will solve the corruption issue
pillaipmg10 (Mannar Allpauzha kerala india)
1 hr ago (03:56 AM)
dear on line editor, At last UPA some how passed a fractured lokpal bill and forward it to Rajah sabha for its consideration. But UPA can claiim the credit for passing this bill and highlight it during election meeting as one of their achievement.How far this can prevent corruption in government departments can be gauged onlyafter its practical effect on administration.dated Wednesday December 28th 2011 Time 0350 HRs ist
1 hr ago (03:56 AM)
dear on line editor, At last UPA some how passed a fractured lokpal bill and forward it to Rajah sabha for its consideration. But UPA can claiim the credit for passing this bill and highlight it during election meeting as one of their achievement.How far this can prevent corruption in government departments can be gauged onlyafter its practical effect on administration.dated Wednesday December 28th 2011 Time 0350 HRs ist
kumar (United Kingdom)
1 hr ago (03:51 AM)
black day in parliment. Congress, politicians, media govt agents, elections commision all are corrupt, No Hope for India, definitely Indian is going to break up again into peaces and those peaces will be shared by US, UK french etc,,, this will 100% happen.
1 hr ago (03:51 AM)
black day in parliment. Congress, politicians, media govt agents, elections commision all are corrupt, No Hope for India, definitely Indian is going to break up again into peaces and those peaces will be shared by US, UK french etc,,, this will 100% happen.
Truthful (Meerut) replies to kumar
1 hr ago (04:11 AM)
Time for you to return from the UK and enter parliament to clean it up. Btw, you forgot the BJP on your list of corrupt parties - are you part of their party or the Ana movement - nevermind - same thing!
1 hr ago (04:11 AM)
Time for you to return from the UK and enter parliament to clean it up. Btw, you forgot the BJP on your list of corrupt parties - are you part of their party or the Ana movement - nevermind - same thing!
kumar replies to Truthful
56 mins ago (04:18 AM)
Yes i support BJP & Anna for this good cause of the nation, i dont care any religion , cast or creed , i care only about India. Now you go and enjoy with the supari you got from congress to write comments on TOI,
56 mins ago (04:18 AM)
Yes i support BJP & Anna for this good cause of the nation, i dont care any religion , cast or creed , i care only about India. Now you go and enjoy with the supari you got from congress to write comments on TOI,
Clifford (Mangalore) replies to kumar
30 mins ago (04:44 AM)
You must visit Karnataka on your next visit
30 mins ago (04:44 AM)
You must visit Karnataka on your next visit
kumar replies to Clifford
12 mins ago (05:02 AM)
i think your a converted christian , i don't need to answer to opportunistic people like you,who convert for the sake of money or reservation, Go check Bihar , Gujarat or India during NDA time.
12 mins ago (05:02 AM)
i think your a converted christian , i don't need to answer to opportunistic people like you,who convert for the sake of money or reservation, Go check Bihar , Gujarat or India during NDA time.
Arb (india) replies to kumar
34 mins ago (04:40 AM)
If you got money from BJP then it does not mean everybody is paid tattu like you.
34 mins ago (04:40 AM)
If you got money from BJP then it does not mean everybody is paid tattu like you.
K.K.Rajan (Kottayam) replies to Pem
33 mins ago (04:41 AM)
Congress is more corrupt than BJP because they ruled only 5 years and little over three years the former Janata party now the party of Dr Swamy, then Charan Singh,Devagowda,VP Singh,Chandrasekher etc.ALL THESE RULERS WERE CORRUPT.None of them have done nothing to the nation except PM NEHRU and PM NARASIMHA RAU All thers were corrupt and not capable to rule India.
33 mins ago (04:41 AM)
Congress is more corrupt than BJP because they ruled only 5 years and little over three years the former Janata party now the party of Dr Swamy, then Charan Singh,Devagowda,VP Singh,Chandrasekher etc.ALL THESE RULERS WERE CORRUPT.None of them have done nothing to the nation except PM NEHRU and PM NARASIMHA RAU All thers were corrupt and not capable to rule India.
Proud Indian (Malaysia) replies to Pem
41 mins ago (04:33 AM)
Dear All, I've read many of these comments. I was in Central Govt. services, served in the Vigilance too, got fed up the way things go, took VR. Please do not blame the opposition. They tried their best. These nuances of how Parliament works are not easily comprehensible. The Govt. was arrogant, adamant and had shown aggressive behaviour, evident in the way S/Shri.Narayanswamy,Kapil Sibbal and Tharoor debated. Pleas from opposition to make CBI independent fell to deaf ears, which was clear when our PM spoke. I agree with Mr. Laloo in one way. This bill was brought in a hurry and somehow Pranavda wanted this to be off his back (head?). The way, none of the just and reasonable demands of the opposition/Civil Society was taken to amend, shows the intention of the Govt. What more can you expect from this dispensation?Let us wait and see what happens in RS today. When the constitutionality is challangeable in the courts of law, why make such a bill? Intentions are not clean. At least, this Govt. will not free the CBI. I find the media completely biased, specifically when they reported Shri. Kapil Sibbal's argument as "challenging the opposition" and not as a "Legal luminaire not putting forward his brain". He was talking in a street fighter style. Why we respect people with good educational and professional background? He defeated the purpose. King (Govt) and all his men claim this to be a Strong Lokpal, but how one can certify his/her own production. Shri. Mulayam also was advising the Govt. "Please do not get angry when criticized". listen and adopt their suggestions. - Also was not heeded. Hmmmmm. God Save Us. I have full faith, He will listen to all of us.
41 mins ago (04:33 AM)
Dear All, I've read many of these comments. I was in Central Govt. services, served in the Vigilance too, got fed up the way things go, took VR. Please do not blame the opposition. They tried their best. These nuances of how Parliament works are not easily comprehensible. The Govt. was arrogant, adamant and had shown aggressive behaviour, evident in the way S/Shri.Narayanswamy,Kapil Sibbal and Tharoor debated. Pleas from opposition to make CBI independent fell to deaf ears, which was clear when our PM spoke. I agree with Mr. Laloo in one way. This bill was brought in a hurry and somehow Pranavda wanted this to be off his back (head?). The way, none of the just and reasonable demands of the opposition/Civil Society was taken to amend, shows the intention of the Govt. What more can you expect from this dispensation?Let us wait and see what happens in RS today. When the constitutionality is challangeable in the courts of law, why make such a bill? Intentions are not clean. At least, this Govt. will not free the CBI. I find the media completely biased, specifically when they reported Shri. Kapil Sibbal's argument as "challenging the opposition" and not as a "Legal luminaire not putting forward his brain". He was talking in a street fighter style. Why we respect people with good educational and professional background? He defeated the purpose. King (Govt) and all his men claim this to be a Strong Lokpal, but how one can certify his/her own production. Shri. Mulayam also was advising the Govt. "Please do not get angry when criticized". listen and adopt their suggestions. - Also was not heeded. Hmmmmm. God Save Us. I have full faith, He will listen to all of us.
Manmohan mode (Cairo) replies to Proud Indian
22 mins ago (04:52 AM)
i disagree with you in one point did the PM really speak.
22 mins ago (04:52 AM)
i disagree with you in one point did the PM really speak.
DriveU (USA) replies to Pem
1 hrs ago (04:14 AM)
You said it All are Birds of the same feather who flock together. You think any of the parties will support this? Why? Which party wants to stop the ill earned perks of Politics? BJP ruled a few States left it's mark as corrupt to the core. Now unabashed it's crying against corruption. Anna movement should be renamed Anti CO(ngress)rruption. Inherently it is this apparently it is what people think it to be and what this guy Ganna is saying. Anna is a BJP prop did you hear him condemning or saying anything related to Karnataka scam NO. What Congress takes or does is corruption what BJP does is Donation. Gujarat is in closed doors with a secretive Govt machinery run by like minded. The day this spills we will see the Pandora's box letting out a stink.
1 hrs ago (04:14 AM)
You said it All are Birds of the same feather who flock together. You think any of the parties will support this? Why? Which party wants to stop the ill earned perks of Politics? BJP ruled a few States left it's mark as corrupt to the core. Now unabashed it's crying against corruption. Anna movement should be renamed Anti CO(ngress)rruption. Inherently it is this apparently it is what people think it to be and what this guy Ganna is saying. Anna is a BJP prop did you hear him condemning or saying anything related to Karnataka scam NO. What Congress takes or does is corruption what BJP does is Donation. Gujarat is in closed doors with a secretive Govt machinery run by like minded. The day this spills we will see the Pandora's box letting out a stink.
Mahesh (Patna)
1 hr ago (03:44 AM)
I agree that corruption must be defeated, but am I alone in thinking that it won't be long before the Lokpal too will become a corrupt organization? What's to prevent any organization in India from becoming corrupt??? Where's the closest bar -- I need to get a drink before I wake up to the nightmare that's before us!!
1 hr ago (03:44 AM)
I agree that corruption must be defeated, but am I alone in thinking that it won't be long before the Lokpal too will become a corrupt organization? What's to prevent any organization in India from becoming corrupt??? Where's the closest bar -- I need to get a drink before I wake up to the nightmare that's before us!!
Amarish (San Jose)
1 hr ago (03:43 AM)
Yesterday, I saw the LOKSHBHA. They were all party fighting each other, but not for the people of india. This is the place for defending and offensive place where they can insult the parliament and cheating the people of india. now i can say that this is not parliament, this is something else.
1 hr ago (03:43 AM)
Yesterday, I saw the LOKSHBHA. They were all party fighting each other, but not for the people of india. This is the place for defending and offensive place where they can insult the parliament and cheating the people of india. now i can say that this is not parliament, this is something else.
democracy triumph (India)
1 hr ago (03:41 AM)
Congratulations to India and thanks to Congress. The passing of the Lokpal Bill is a triumph for democracy in India and all over the world. Thanks to the congress and the UPA. It is unfortunate that the BJP is so opposed to democracy by denying constitutional status to the Lokpal. The passing of the Lokpal bill is definitely a victory for all of India against the manipulative politics of BJP and their mouthpiece Anna who pretends to be fighting against corruption when actually his real purpose is to defame congress. This is a momentous day for India and shows that this time the people of India were not fooled by Team RSS (Team Anna) and their deceitful and corrupt tactics to play politics in the disguise of being against corruption. BJP and Team RSS were thinking that the UPA govt would never pass this bill. In fact it is Team Anna and BJP who never wanted the Bill to come true. Their opposition to the constitutional status for the Lokpal Bill proves that Team RSS (Team Anna) and BJP are most corrupt to the core
1 hr ago (03:41 AM)
Congratulations to India and thanks to Congress. The passing of the Lokpal Bill is a triumph for democracy in India and all over the world. Thanks to the congress and the UPA. It is unfortunate that the BJP is so opposed to democracy by denying constitutional status to the Lokpal. The passing of the Lokpal bill is definitely a victory for all of India against the manipulative politics of BJP and their mouthpiece Anna who pretends to be fighting against corruption when actually his real purpose is to defame congress. This is a momentous day for India and shows that this time the people of India were not fooled by Team RSS (Team Anna) and their deceitful and corrupt tactics to play politics in the disguise of being against corruption. BJP and Team RSS were thinking that the UPA govt would never pass this bill. In fact it is Team Anna and BJP who never wanted the Bill to come true. Their opposition to the constitutional status for the Lokpal Bill proves that Team RSS (Team Anna) and BJP are most corrupt to the core
18 mins ago (04:56 AM)
You fool they are giving you margerine instead of butter. It will kill you.
KALKI (shivalik)
1 hr ago (03:33 AM)
i want to be white like rahul ghandino please give me fair and lovely so i can be amul baby too and have lakh crore swiss bank acc.You can kill the gora but you will never take fair and lovely off chemist shelf u stinking corrupt brown indian scum netas. THIS IS A WARNING KALKI IS COMING TO OFF YOU ALL.
1 hr ago (03:33 AM)
i want to be white like rahul ghandino please give me fair and lovely so i can be amul baby too and have lakh crore swiss bank acc.You can kill the gora but you will never take fair and lovely off chemist shelf u stinking corrupt brown indian scum netas. THIS IS A WARNING KALKI IS COMING TO OFF YOU ALL.
Girish (USA) replies to KALKI
1 hr ago (03:48 AM)
Ask Rahul Gandhi to give you some from his year long free supply of Fair & Lovely (even though he is a unfair and least lovable person of India).
1 hr ago (03:48 AM)
Ask Rahul Gandhi to give you some from his year long free supply of Fair & Lovely (even though he is a unfair and least lovable person of India).
Stupid Common Man (Delhi, Parliment)
1 hr ago (03:31 AM)
Today India lost on the dream of becoming a developed country. All the culprits will roam free for rest of their life. Nothing to say and no one to blame but us "Stupid Common Man". We elect the ruling and opposition party. So we are to blame. This is the cost India had to pay because of illiterate people. First mistake India made was not to elect Sadar Vallabhai Patel as the Prime Minister. Second mistake India made was to not pass the Jan LokPal bill.
1 hr ago (03:31 AM)
Today India lost on the dream of becoming a developed country. All the culprits will roam free for rest of their life. Nothing to say and no one to blame but us "Stupid Common Man". We elect the ruling and opposition party. So we are to blame. This is the cost India had to pay because of illiterate people. First mistake India made was not to elect Sadar Vallabhai Patel as the Prime Minister. Second mistake India made was to not pass the Jan LokPal bill.
savita (london) replies to Stupid Common Man
1 hr ago (03:40 AM)
Definitely agree with the Vallabhhai Patel issue of PM.. We would not now have an heir to our parliament!
1 hr ago (03:40 AM)
Definitely agree with the Vallabhhai Patel issue of PM.. We would not now have an heir to our parliament!
1 hr ago (03:29 AM)
I think a structure with distributed power would be more effective in india than monopoly of a giant parliamentary system where MPs vote on basis of what their party feels and not what people in their constituencies(yet they call it democracy). Distributed structure might not be the case in other part of the world but they are not witnessing billions of dollars of corruption either. Few argue in congress that tomorrow anyone would sit on fast and would force parliament to bring-in their demands. I would like to ask to anyone of them to sit on fast and demand something and see how much crowd they can gather. People come on roads only when they are frustrated for years and want to do something about it. It is not easy to gather a huge crowd unless you have genuine reasons. Those who still not convinced that a strong lokpal bill would make much difference think about a scarecrow in fields to protect crops from birds, it doesn't do anything but solves the purpose of it. Time to think what other options do we have(yes we have to change ourselves to bring this revolution, emotional young generation can do it but sorry it doesn't work for many of 50 plus indifferent parliamentarians who have been seeing for decades.)
Su (INDIA)
1 hr ago (03:27 AM)
I think Indian politians are a complete let down. Every one knows that giving Lokpal a Constitutional Body Status was a dream of Rahul Gandhi and bringing this amendment in the parliament was only to please him. How ever, congress should have done their homework as this move when they did not have enough numbers is waste of tax payers money. Secondly Congress blaming BJP for betraying them is complete nonsense. If they are dependent on OPPOSITION PARTY to support them, they do not have a right to run the country. Its just fooling people. Indian Politicians can only come togather to pass bill regarding salary hike or foreign tours for them.
1 hr ago (03:27 AM)
I think Indian politians are a complete let down. Every one knows that giving Lokpal a Constitutional Body Status was a dream of Rahul Gandhi and bringing this amendment in the parliament was only to please him. How ever, congress should have done their homework as this move when they did not have enough numbers is waste of tax payers money. Secondly Congress blaming BJP for betraying them is complete nonsense. If they are dependent on OPPOSITION PARTY to support them, they do not have a right to run the country. Its just fooling people. Indian Politicians can only come togather to pass bill regarding salary hike or foreign tours for them.
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The 111th Congress: Some memorable bills, some botched basics
WASHINGTON--As he walked to the Senate floor to cast his final votes this week, retiring Sen. Chris Dodd remarked that bills that he'd been pushing unsuccessfully for years were suddenly flying through to final passage in the waning days of this Congress.
A food allergy measure. A child abuse prevention bill. A low-income housing proposal. All are now headed to the White House for the president's signature.
"It's been a remarkable 26 months-nothing quite like it in my 30 years," Dodd said, reflecting on the 111th Congress and the preceeding economic meltdown that set the stage for two straight years of sweeping legislative action.
Across the Capitol, Rep. Joe Courtney, too, was taking stock of the 111th Congress's accomplishments, while also on pins-and-needles about what comes next.
Because of a long, chaotic, and productive lame-duck session, lawmakers like Courtney will have little time to recover from the dizzying blur of legislative activity before gearing up for a fresh round of political battles.
In just the last few weeks, Congress has approved, among other things, an $858 billion tax cut package, a nuclear arms treaty, the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell, and a health care bill for first responders who helped with rescue and recovery after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
"It's a lot of stuff that's coming fast and furious," Courtney said in an interview Wednesday morning, before the House reconvened for one last vote.
"In terms of the scope of issues-education, health care, financial reform--in many respects I think [this Congress] is as sweeping as the Great Society Congress," Courtney said. "The difference is that we are in the midst of a terrible recession and that kind of casts a big shadow on the work that took place here."
There's little question that the 111th Congress is one of the productive in recent memory. And the Connecticut congressional delegation had a strong hand in the litany of legislative achievements--big and small alike.
Dodd, for example, has already gotten a heap of attention for his role in the back-to-back Democratic victories on enacting health care reform and a Wall Street overhaul.
On Monday, Dodd went to the White House for one final photo-op with President Barack Obama, who signed into law a bill he sponsored to bolster federal efforts to treat and prevent child abuse.
Sen. Joe Lieberman, an independent who caucuses with the Democrats, made his own trip to the White House on Wednesday, when Obama signed legislation overturning Don't Ask, Don't Tell, the military's ban on gays serving openly in the armed forces.
Courtney helped champion the Student Aid and Fiscal Responsibility Act, which dramatically increased the federal investment in annual Pell Grant scholarships and revamped the federal loan programs by cutting subsidies to private banks and making students loans cheaper.
"If you look at a state like Connecticut, enrollment in higher education has shattered all records," Courtney said. "And I believe very strongly that the boost to Pell grants, combined with the reduction in [the cost of federal] student loans, has really fueled this spike in enrollment."
Rep. Rosa DeLauro, D-3rd District, helped eke out 11th-hour victories in this Congress on a sweeping food safety bill and a major child nutrition bill.
This session, DeLauro said, is remarkable not just for the number of bills passed, but for the breadth of those measures.
The health care bill is remaking one of the biggest sectors of the American economy. The Wall Street reform measure will bring sweeping changes to the financial services industry. And the various stimulus measures passed in this Congress pumped more than $1.6 trillion into the U.S. economy.
"These are big blockbusters," DeLauro said.
Still, there were some significant omissions and failures. Congress stumbled in carrying out its most basic duty: approving a budget and spending bills to keep the government running.
Instead, in the closing hours of the lame-duck session, lawmakers passed a short-term funding bill that will keep federal spending essentially flat, at 2010 levels, until March 4.
That punts key spending decisions to the next Congress, when Republicans will control the House and have a stronger hand in the Senate. And in the meantime, it creates uncertainly at the state and local level, in Connecticut and elsewhere, about what to expect from Washington.
"There's a lot of programs in defense and non-defense that are going to be in a holding pattern," said Courtney.
During a recent meeting about a brownfield site in his district, Courtney recalled, the Environmental Protection Agency's top official for New England said the agency could take little action until they got clearer funding signals from Congress. "It kind of immobilizes them," Courtney said of short-term funding bill.
Lieberman said the biggest disappointment was the stalemate over climate change legislation. And at least for now, he said, the moment is passed for a broad bill tackling greenhouse emissions.
"The problems of climate change and energy dependence get worse every day, but the reality is the composition of Congress has changed," Lieberman said. "Nothing as comprehensive as the American Power Act... has any chance in the next two years, so we've got to go back and clear the table."
He said a slimmed down energy measure, along with deficit reduction and cyber-security measures, would be his top priorities in the next Congress.
Lieberman also said that, in the wake of his work on DADT repeal, he would make a more aggressive push to pass legislation banning discrimination based on sexual orientation in employment and providing domestic partner benefits to gay and lesbian federal employees.
But he and others acknowledged that there's a significant degree of uncertainty about how the 112th Congress will unfold. With Republicans in control of the House and gaining seats in the Senate, it's unclear if the blitz of bipartisanship seen in recent days will spill over into the next Congress, or evaporate as the 2012 presidential election heats up.
Courtney said his priorities for the next Congress would be pushing an overhaul of the No Child Left Behind education law and pressing Congress to preserve its commitment to fund two Virginia-class submarines in 2011.
But on other issues, he expects to be on the defensive, whether it's protecting health reform or shielding the student aid bill. And he's worried he might lose his seat on the House Education and Labor Committee, as newly empowered House Republicans move to slim down that panel and others.
DeLauro said she anticipates political fireworks next year over federal spending.
"The battle ground will be in the appropriations bills," said DeLauro, who chairs a key House Appropriations subcommittee. She said GOP plans to slash domestic spending "will create real problems for the states" and could lead to higher unemployment and more economic turmoil.
"Depending on what the cuts are, Democrats will fight back," she vowed.
Dodd, for his part, seemed relieved not to be gearing up for another round. But with the crush of lame-duck legislation, he said he hadn't had time to figure out what he'll do next.
"It's a little like groundhog day around here," he quipped. "It never seems to end."
A food allergy measure. A child abuse prevention bill. A low-income housing proposal. All are now headed to the White House for the president's signature.
"It's been a remarkable 26 months-nothing quite like it in my 30 years," Dodd said, reflecting on the 111th Congress and the preceeding economic meltdown that set the stage for two straight years of sweeping legislative action.
Across the Capitol, Rep. Joe Courtney, too, was taking stock of the 111th Congress's accomplishments, while also on pins-and-needles about what comes next.
Because of a long, chaotic, and productive lame-duck session, lawmakers like Courtney will have little time to recover from the dizzying blur of legislative activity before gearing up for a fresh round of political battles.
In just the last few weeks, Congress has approved, among other things, an $858 billion tax cut package, a nuclear arms treaty, the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell, and a health care bill for first responders who helped with rescue and recovery after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
"It's a lot of stuff that's coming fast and furious," Courtney said in an interview Wednesday morning, before the House reconvened for one last vote.
"In terms of the scope of issues-education, health care, financial reform--in many respects I think [this Congress] is as sweeping as the Great Society Congress," Courtney said. "The difference is that we are in the midst of a terrible recession and that kind of casts a big shadow on the work that took place here."
There's little question that the 111th Congress is one of the productive in recent memory. And the Connecticut congressional delegation had a strong hand in the litany of legislative achievements--big and small alike.
Dodd, for example, has already gotten a heap of attention for his role in the back-to-back Democratic victories on enacting health care reform and a Wall Street overhaul.
On Monday, Dodd went to the White House for one final photo-op with President Barack Obama, who signed into law a bill he sponsored to bolster federal efforts to treat and prevent child abuse.
Sen. Joe Lieberman, an independent who caucuses with the Democrats, made his own trip to the White House on Wednesday, when Obama signed legislation overturning Don't Ask, Don't Tell, the military's ban on gays serving openly in the armed forces.
Courtney helped champion the Student Aid and Fiscal Responsibility Act, which dramatically increased the federal investment in annual Pell Grant scholarships and revamped the federal loan programs by cutting subsidies to private banks and making students loans cheaper.
"If you look at a state like Connecticut, enrollment in higher education has shattered all records," Courtney said. "And I believe very strongly that the boost to Pell grants, combined with the reduction in [the cost of federal] student loans, has really fueled this spike in enrollment."
Rep. Rosa DeLauro, D-3rd District, helped eke out 11th-hour victories in this Congress on a sweeping food safety bill and a major child nutrition bill.
This session, DeLauro said, is remarkable not just for the number of bills passed, but for the breadth of those measures.
The health care bill is remaking one of the biggest sectors of the American economy. The Wall Street reform measure will bring sweeping changes to the financial services industry. And the various stimulus measures passed in this Congress pumped more than $1.6 trillion into the U.S. economy.
"These are big blockbusters," DeLauro said.
Still, there were some significant omissions and failures. Congress stumbled in carrying out its most basic duty: approving a budget and spending bills to keep the government running.
Instead, in the closing hours of the lame-duck session, lawmakers passed a short-term funding bill that will keep federal spending essentially flat, at 2010 levels, until March 4.
That punts key spending decisions to the next Congress, when Republicans will control the House and have a stronger hand in the Senate. And in the meantime, it creates uncertainly at the state and local level, in Connecticut and elsewhere, about what to expect from Washington.
"There's a lot of programs in defense and non-defense that are going to be in a holding pattern," said Courtney.
During a recent meeting about a brownfield site in his district, Courtney recalled, the Environmental Protection Agency's top official for New England said the agency could take little action until they got clearer funding signals from Congress. "It kind of immobilizes them," Courtney said of short-term funding bill.
Lieberman said the biggest disappointment was the stalemate over climate change legislation. And at least for now, he said, the moment is passed for a broad bill tackling greenhouse emissions.
"The problems of climate change and energy dependence get worse every day, but the reality is the composition of Congress has changed," Lieberman said. "Nothing as comprehensive as the American Power Act... has any chance in the next two years, so we've got to go back and clear the table."
He said a slimmed down energy measure, along with deficit reduction and cyber-security measures, would be his top priorities in the next Congress.
Lieberman also said that, in the wake of his work on DADT repeal, he would make a more aggressive push to pass legislation banning discrimination based on sexual orientation in employment and providing domestic partner benefits to gay and lesbian federal employees.
But he and others acknowledged that there's a significant degree of uncertainty about how the 112th Congress will unfold. With Republicans in control of the House and gaining seats in the Senate, it's unclear if the blitz of bipartisanship seen in recent days will spill over into the next Congress, or evaporate as the 2012 presidential election heats up.
Courtney said his priorities for the next Congress would be pushing an overhaul of the No Child Left Behind education law and pressing Congress to preserve its commitment to fund two Virginia-class submarines in 2011.
But on other issues, he expects to be on the defensive, whether it's protecting health reform or shielding the student aid bill. And he's worried he might lose his seat on the House Education and Labor Committee, as newly empowered House Republicans move to slim down that panel and others.
DeLauro said she anticipates political fireworks next year over federal spending.
"The battle ground will be in the appropriations bills," said DeLauro, who chairs a key House Appropriations subcommittee. She said GOP plans to slash domestic spending "will create real problems for the states" and could lead to higher unemployment and more economic turmoil.
"Depending on what the cuts are, Democrats will fight back," she vowed.
Dodd, for his part, seemed relieved not to be gearing up for another round. But with the crush of lame-duck legislation, he said he hadn't had time to figure out what he'll do next.
"It's a little like groundhog day around here," he quipped. "It never seems to end."
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