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Kahan gaye woh log?
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Lal Krishna Advani lamented the other day the absence of somebody like the late V P Singh who could raise the banner of revolt against the Congress leadership from within in this season of scams that makes the alleged Bofors gun deal kickbacks seem the work of a pickpocket!
His remarks to The Indian Express are an admission at once of the principal Opposition’s limitations in acquiring the moral high ground VP attained on being thrown out of the Congress for doing the unthinkable — challenging his parent party on probity in public life. The anti-Congress sentiments that he whipped triggered first the emergence of the Jan Morcha and than its more evolved edition, the National Front.
VP attained political respectability through the companionship of the Left and a mass reach that came with the logistical support of the BJP-RSS. His was a government supported from outside by the political Left and the Right. The politics of Mandal and Kamandal caused its premature downfall spearheaded by none else than Advani, then a much celebrated rath yatri. Unlike in the late 1980s when the country was under the Congress’s single-party rule, it isn’t all that easy today to rally the entire Opposition against the UPA which itself is a multi-party conglomeration. In the intervening years the country witnessed events — Ayodhya in 1992 and Gujarat in 2002— that caused a secular-communal divide that has forever left the saffron parivar suspect in the eyes of the so-called secular forces.
That factor is a major hindrance in the repeat of 1989 that witnessed the combined Opposition quit en masse from the eighth Lok Sabha — albeit in the final stages of its life – over the Bofors issue. Coupled with it is the glut of smeared reputations across the political spectrum that leaves the choice between lesser and bigger instances of graft or loot of public money.
Ranging from the Congress to the BJP to regional parties such as the DMK, AIADMK, the RJD and the Samajwadi Party, almost every party has had its share of sleaze — big and small. Our multi-party system is so much at the mercy of unscrupulous corporate entities — for funding and other kind of logistics — that cronyism and questionable patronage are the order of the day.
Collude or get cast aside. The message gets reinforced with each election, change of government and ministers. India needs a Jayaprakash Narayan or a VP to mobilize people against the pernicious system. None fits the bill in the obtaining crowd of power hungry politicos.
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Posted by Vinod Sharma on Monday, March 7, 2011 at 7:07 pm
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Ziauddin Shafi says:
March 7, 2011 at 8:26 pm
Late PV Narasimha Rao’s great contribution to the polity is that he forced the BJP to lean forever on the RSS for its survival – after 1992, the BJP just got stuck with the Extreme Right and after Gujarat 2002 it will be an uphill task for it to get out from there on the national level. The tragedy of the congress is that it has now to bear with the likes of Raja and DMK, comprising with all and sudry over corruption and related crimes. May be the likes of Salman Khursheed and Kapil Sibal could do some good to the image of the congress in the future. Rest are as damaging as Kalmadi.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
March 7th, 2011 at 9:38 pm
Dear Ziauddin Shafi,
You are being simplistic about the left-right division. You are obviously ignoring the historical factor of the congress movement of having been a host to the so called rightists as well as the leftists. You are also brushing aside the latest trend in Karnataka, Bihar, MP and Gujarat, where the BJP is becoming a practical alternative to the congress party for the minorities.
As for the congress party’s image, Salman Khurshid is a very fine gentleman, who is also a very likeable person even for many in the BJP, but Kapil Sibal is an abrasive, over-bearing personality, who has many detractors within his own party. He has also brought much ridicule for the congress party, by his total support for Raja.
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Mahesh says:
March 8, 2011 at 12:24 am
Sharmaji,
Nice thing that you brought V. P. Singh in focus – a maverick in true terms on several counts.
But then , Sirjee, those were different times and these are different times. The revolt that Mr. Advani laments about is not going to come from within the system. The mainstream polity – Congress, BJP and regional parties included – has just about stopped being a representational polity. Despite its communal and casteist fallout V.P. Singh atleast represented the caste aspirations of control over the power structure within the state apparatus (in case anybody thinks reservations were about jobs – well, the Mandal commission recommendations for governent jobs amounted to about less than 0.1 percent for the total workforce all over the country) . Where does the current polity stand in comparison ? We may want to start small – preserving the current growth rate that our aspiring middle class has gotten so much accustomed to. Do the policies of any of the mainstream polity really work towards it – as against the “autopilot” our markets and economy are relegated to ? Crisis in agrarian and rural economy come much later – something that ,IMHO, none of the political parties are really in a position to grasp , both in terms of willingness and competency. Climate induced Un-certainity and its fallout doesn’t even figure in our great national debate.
The wonderful movie on Titanic provided us a great cinematic metaphor – Re-arrenging the deck chairs – so often used in Western (promonently North American) media . With the current political arrangements and debates , unfortunately, this is what we are seeing.
I honestly hope being off the mark in my assessment here, but somehow the more I see tone and tenor of debate in our national polity the more I am getting convinced about this being the case.
– Mahesh.
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nirav says:
March 8, 2011 at 2:39 am
Vinodji,
Are you wanting to reincarnate the ghosts of the mandal commision again??Lk advani the iron man looks to have rusted…needs to give company to ABV…:)
The only man who can truly slap the scamsters is Narendra modi…
But the brigades of psuedo secularists and pro gandhi family (actually that surname is fake as Indiaras husband was Firoz khan and not gandhy.His father was a muslim)will try their best to spread false news about gujarat and the man himself.Even after repeated court verdicts vindiacating Mr modi.Leaders across parties in maharashta few weeks back were praising him.On one side We have a family that destroyed the fabric of the politic …Remember how rahul was caught by FBI in drug/money laundering in 2001,then how sanjeev gandhi was changed to sanjay gandhi,italian antique smuggling business of the gandhi in laws..family love with Mr Q..and still the lady of that family sonia reports that she is so poor that she doesnt even own a car:)
On the other hand Modis family lives is poverty and he even refused a calss iV trasfer for his brother.
Still the media continues to romance with the INC masters…
I wonder when will people be loyal to the soil of the country rather than salt of thier corrupt masters…
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Guju [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
March 8, 2011 at 3:00 am
BABA RAM DEVJI MAHARAJ HAS ARRIVED WITH NEW AVTAR OF JAYAPRAKASH NARAYAN. HAVE SOME PATIENCE AND THERE IS GREAT CHANGE COMING TO INDIA WHEN SLEEPING PUBLIC WAKES UP TO THE TRUTH. IT IS GREAT SHAME THAT THIS BLOG HAS NEVER MENTIONED WHO IS LOOTING THE COFFERS OF INDIA AND WHO IS PROTECTING THOSE PEOPLE INVOLVED.
THERE IS CRUDE JOKE IN THE WEST INTELLECTUAL CIRCLE THAT INDIA’S ECONOMIC GROWNS BY NIGHT WHEN THE P.M. AND S.P.M. AND THE CONGRESS PARTY POLITICIANS AND THEIR CHEER LEADERS, THE ENGLISH MEDIA AND CHAMCHAS ARE FAST ASLEEP, THIS IS THE STATE INDIA HAS BEEN REDUCED TO BY THIS UNINTELLIGENT AND INCOMPETENT FERALS HAVING LOOTED THE COUNTRY UNDER THE P.M. IS ONE WHO IS NOT THE REAL ONE , AND THE REAL ONE HAS NO SELF RESPECT LEFT AND IS SHAME LESS , WITHOUT ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE MASSES OF INDIA.
IT LOOKS LIKE SUSHMA SWARAJ HAS JOIN IN TO PROTECT THIS TRAITORS AND GHADHARS OF INDIA. IT HAS BECOME SO DIFFICULT TO TELLL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CONGRESS MEMBER OR B.J.P.
SO FAR, NO ONE HAS ASKED THE PUPPET P.M. WHOSE SELCTION WAS P.J.THOMAS ? UNDER WHOSE DURESS AND BEHEST HE WAS FORCED ON THE PEOPLE OF INDIA ? WHY HE WAS PICKED AND NONE OTHERS. WHAT PART UNCONSTITUTIONAL S.P.M. PLAYED IN ALL THIS SAGA ? THE OPPOSITION HAS NO BALLS NOR SPINES TO PUT ACROSS TO THIS SPINELESS – HEADLESS CHICKEN SARDAR.
I HOPE THE BLOGGER SHOULD REWRITE HIS/HER BLOG.
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March 8, 2011 at 3:16 am
Honorable L K Advani is getting too okd. He comes from the fascist RSS family. I wish, for the record at least, he ought to admit to the fact that he was sidelined, if not barred altogethe, over his remark on Mohammad Ali Jinnah, the most hated person in RSS organization, being secular. Jinnah was truly secular. He donated his Bombay real estate, a bungalow on Malabar Hill, to Bombay University in his will. Bombay university senate debated the issue but almost all the members were either Brahmins or their fellow travelers. They rejected the offer. Why would a Muslim president of newly established country of Pakistan consider Bombay University or any other Indian institution worthy of his generosity? My point is that challenging the party rom within is common to all parties including BJP/RSS. Before Jinnah formed a separate Muslim League, he was a member of the Congress party in good standing. Did Congress forgave him of his rebellion? Did any other Hindu ever forgave him for his actions? Talk is cheap. AQll decisions from local to national are taken by few at the top of the party hierarchy. In Congress Sonia Gandhi decides who should be what, say what, do what. The very same thing is seen in BJP. All decisions are taken by one person. Barring daily, routine business. Most all other regional parties do exactly the same. Mulayam Yadav, Mamata Banerjee, Mayawati, Bal/Uddhav Thackeray, M Karunanidhi, J Jayalalithaa are all made in the same mould. Party members do not have any say in the decision making process. They just put their thumb print on. India has no credible democracy. Candidates for local as general elections are carefully selected by political bosses. Not in America or for that matter in any other country that I know. In Banana Republic, that is India, oops, Bharat, monkey business is the order of the day. L K Advani may lament as much as he want to. It is his right, right?
…and I am Sid Harth
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Advani’s act of statesmanship?
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Lal Krishna Advani is an emotional man easily moved to tears. Some might consider that a personality flaw because leaders come across as weak while betraying emotions in public. Their task is to wipe tears of the dispossessed rather than wallowing in self-grief.
But Pandit Nehru was an emotional man. So was Vajpayee. Did that make them lesser leaders? Not really. Those were men who cared and insisted on making that known to people. Nehru’s quick temper didn’t show him as vulnerable. It was a measure of his hold over those who got a taste of it. Vajpayee’s myriad moods contributed to his mystique.
The housekeeper at Teen Murti House when it was the Prime Minister’s official residence, Bimla Sindhi, once told me that Vajpayee wept like a child at Panditji’s funeral. I was a witness myself to his very evident sense of grief over Sanjay Gandhi’s demise in an air crash. He called it “surya-ast” (sunset) in a style hard to imitate.
Grieving and celebrating with rivals makes a polity richer and conducive to consensus building. Amid such basic bonhomie, if one has the courage to say sorry or accept mistake—for a wrong done or a dart misdirected — the ambience becomes so much more creative. That’s where Advani’s apology to Sonia Gandhi over the Swiss bank account allegation she termed as baseless, gives one hope.
There were some out of turn statements by Congress leaders on the BJP patriarch’s regret letter. But officially, the AICC restricted itself to calling it a welcome step. I’m not sure whether it will set the tone for a respectable idiom in our political discourse. But it’s a happy respite from invectives, abuses and reckless defiling of reputations.
The ruling combination and the opposition must steadfastly keep their genuine differences. They’d do well, however, to keep rhetoric from denigrating into crass mudslinging. If it isn’t possible at all levels of rank and file, at least the top leadership must consciously strive for a relationship of mutual respect despite differences.
A model in this regard could be the changed chemistry between Sonia and Sushma Swaraj, the Leader of Opposition who threatened to launch Quit India Movement II in 2004 if the Congress president were to become prime minister.
They have today a fairly cordial equation that encourages them to exchange notes on even family matters. Now they don’t need a third person to communicate on key issues. As it takes two to tango, the credit is theirs jointly.
Sonia enjoyed a fairly good equation with even Vajpayee. He was the first person she called after the terrorist attack on Parliament. She by then had returned home and was anxious to know whether the PM was safe. Later, when the late Chandrashekhar was indisposed, she drove down to his residence to convince him to travel abroad for treatment.
I’m sure that they aren’t going to spare any opportunity to pin each other down politically. But Advani’s apology to Sonia could be a precursor to a good working relationship— in Parliament and on other forums.
Last November, Sonia and her son Rahul had dropped by at Advani’s room in Parliament House for a cup of tea, on being told by his daughter Pratibha that it was her dad’s birthday. Here’s wishing them loads of such conviviality in 2011 and beyond.
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Posted by Vinod Sharma on Monday, February 21, 2011 at 8:17 pm
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ishwar says:
February 21, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Mr. Advani is neither the CBI nor the Supreme Court.
If he has expressed regret over the allegation that the family of Sonia Gandhi has held secret Swiss bank accounts, it is welcome. But, it only means that he has given the family a benefit of doubt.
There are people in this country like Mr. Swamy and Mr. Gurumurthy who would not “regret” having made such allegations – they would rather prove it in a court of law.
Until then – peace.
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B.V.SHENOY says:
February 21, 2011 at 9:47 pm
Dear Shri Vinod Sharma,
This is one of your better articles and I commend it.
I too was first dismayed to read media reports that A dvani has “apologised” to Sonia Gandhi about the BJP task force allegation that she has/had bank account/s. S.Gurumurthy has explained that the Delhi media, never found wanting in showing the BJP and particularly Advani in poor light, converted a simple ‘regret’ from him into an earth-shaking ‘apology’.
What the regret/apology has done is to bring the focus back on Sonia Gandhi’s Swiss Bank accounts, the reports of which the media had earlier quickly swept under the carpet. What confounds me also is why the friends of the congress party in US, who had filed a defamation suit for $100million for precisely the same reason (her having Swiss bank accounts) againdt some Hindu organisations in the US, later withdrew the suit unceremoniously.
Now I hope the media will pursue the matter in right earnest. Let this forum set the ball rolling.
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das says:
February 22, 2011 at 2:45 am
Advani has expressed regret, but the Swamy stand by his charge.
Interestingly, Sonia, rahul and their countless lackeys like Vinod Sharma have not made any noise on that serious issue. So these self-congratulatory noises by Congressis press is premature.
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aryan says:
February 22, 2011 at 2:49 am
she may not have the accounts in Swiss banks, however, she has never denied having accounts in the Italian banks or other off shore tax heavens !!!
Where else is she hiding the big part of the comission that she got in bofors & from defreezing the Quattrochi accounts ???????
Is she hiding under the mattress and having a cosy sleep at the cost of the poor Indians ?? Or is little puppy carrying it in his hand bags for which he was detained at the airport ??
No clean chit to this lady. She is corrupt to the core !!
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ram autar says:
February 22, 2011 at 2:57 am
bibi dimple intellectual corruption is more dangerous than financial corruption.
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No. Hundred and one times we have said that money corruption, like all the current raging controversy on the spectrum scandal (Rs. 1.76 lakh crores), the country’s largest fraud, is a by-product of the most serious intellectual corruption which is the Gangotri of all other varieties of corruption (India’s Intellectual Desert, DSA-1999, Rs. 50).
GANDHI AS KING OF CORRUPTION
The tragedy, however, is this all-important “intellectual corruption” is kept totally hidden and our attention is diverted only to “money corruption” which is magnified and repeated daily through TV, print media, films, speeches etc. So much so the people are made to believe that “money corruption” is the most serious disease killing India.
No. It is not money corruption. India is the victim of intellectual corruption.
This variety corruption is hidden because those indulging in it are our ruling Bhoodevatas. This is the secret.
M.K. Gandhi was the king of this intellectual corruption.
And yet the ordinary people go on talking of only the money corruption.
FLOURISHING GOD BUSINESS
This itself proves how much we are blinded by the Brahminical propaganda.
Look at the latest example of the 102 unthinking SC/ST/BCs who went to Sabarimala and died there for nothing. Where is the money corruption here? Brahmin priests are promoting a superstition of the makarajyoti, to see which millions go there and die like flies. This is part of the Brahminical “god business”. This is intellectual corruption.
BRAHMINIST MONOPOLY
Even a “marxist govt.” of Kerala, which controls the Sabarimala temple, dare not touch the “god business” fearing the wrath of the godmen who control the god. Is this “money corruption”?
Promoting superstition, blind belief, all sorts of humbugs like yoga, astrology, god business, Kumbh mela, Hindu racism (untouchability), merit mantra, and many more — all these are not part of money corruption but “intellectual corruption” which is the exclusive monopoly of the Brahminists.
The Kerala Govt. rejected a probe into makarajyoti because the entire lot of 2% Brahminists and their tail will lose leadership over the business called “Hindu religion” once the SC/ST/BCs come to know that makarajyoti is a man-made bullshit. As the Assembly election is nearing, marxist’s can’t go against Brahminists.
GOVT. PROTECTING CORRUPTION
Justice V.R. Krishna Iyer, the most famous Brahmin leader of Kerala wearing a marxist garb, is silent because of the jati interest.
Where is the money corruption here?
Here is a case of a govt. itself protecting the “intellectual corruption” of the rulers of India who fearing a threat to their rulership, are diverting our attention from “”intellectual corruption” to “money corruption”.
Shoot down the intellectual corruption, all other corruptions including the money corruption will commit suicide.
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Dilip Reply:
February 22nd, 2011 at 5:17 am
Hi Jack ***……………….
I do not know what else to call you !!! While I welcome your criticism that the blind belief of Makar Jyoti has not been stopped, I agree with you 100%.
Your sanity stops there. How do you know all the sabarimala stampede deaths were entirely belonging to SC/ST/BC??????????
And then you try to fan the fire (a.k.a your stupidity) alleging nexus between Marxism and Brahminism……………..
Dude go and get your admitted to a mental hospital…………… Corruption of any kind is dangerous for the country…………..
Unfortunately, in present day India, hypocrites like you are the ones listened to attentively !!!!
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ram autar Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 7:01 pm
MR DILIP INTELLECTUAL CORRUPTION is mother of all corruptions.see urslf.BHAGWAN STYA SAI BABA,the KING OF FRAUDS,IS NOW dying inspite of being bhagwan.
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max Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
@ ram, dying inspite of being bhagwan
– that’’s better than man flying on horse to heaven. which part of sky is islamic heven & christian ones…
Kmohan Reply:
February 22nd, 2011 at 9:25 am
May be Ram Autar is right that we suffer from Intellectual Corruption.
But that has been part of human culture which invented the concept of God and gave him supreme Abstract powers. The purveyors of his thoughts, actions, acceptance, and/or rejections of human acts were called Brahmins, Priests, Bishops, Mullahs, Imams , Lamas etc.etc. Yet we must admit that Intellectual field stops where reasoning on faith becomes futile. Even when Science & Technology may replace GOD, the human reasoning becomes limitless and becomes infinity.
Our problem is that common man thinks Religion & God is the final symbol of universal power because Spirituality is not understood since it does have not have Human form and is not manifested in Human(social) actions.
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Jorawar singh; says:
February 22, 2011 at 3:16 am
He is emotional.but his emotions wore silence when his own party leaders made complaint about rampant corruption in bjp ruled state like Rajasthan. he was not ready to listen nor take any action.
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February 22, 2011 at 4:06 am
I think the present-day India with all its technological glory and upward mobility can find politically-correct, common-sense solutions to most issues and problems. With regard to swiss-bank accounts, if a certain public leader who holds a public office is accused, then the ball is in his or her court to disprove it. The onus is on them to disprove it. All they have to do is to call a press-conference and show that they don’t have swiss-bank accounts. So, what is the big problem here? If such public figures don’t want to do that, the bright Indian common-man will assume that they really have those accounts. I think what is being asked is fair and square.
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ramesh says:
February 22, 2011 at 5:54 am
MR SHARMA SHOULD ELABORATE HOW A PERSONAL COMMUNICATION BETWEEN SONIA AND MR ADVANI BECAME PUBLIC.WAS CONGRESS PRESIDENT COMMUNICATING THRU PARTY SECRETARIES.IS IT COMMON TO MAKE ALL HER CORRESPONDENCE PUBLIC. THE WHOLE ANNOUNCEMENT FROM CONGRESS SIDE IS IN BAD TASTE.
THE COMMENTS OF A MINISTER AMBICA SONI.WERE REALLY CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF ,WHAT PARTY THINKS.
SHOULD WE UNDERSTAND GANDHI FAMILY HAS NO MONEY ABROAD IN SWISS BANK OR OTHER TAX HAVENS?
MR VINOD SHARMA IS REQUESTED TO PUT FORTH VIEWS OFMR.GURUMURTHY AND HIS TEAM.
I DISAGREE VITH SHARMA JI,ON EXPRESSION OF GRIEF IN PUBLIC BY LEADERS. IT IS A WEAKNESS AND SUCH EXHIBITION OF GRIEF IS NOT EXPECTED FROM GREAT LEADERS.
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HPN Reply:
February 22nd, 2011 at 7:30 am
Mr Vinod Sharma may or may not respond to you. But let me give you my own mind. Even if Gandhi family have secret money, they will be naive to have them where everyone will be trying to find out. After all, they are all seasoned enough to take care of this basic requirement. So is Advani, who knows very well they will never be able to connect them with any kind of known sources of black money accounts. Therefore, the regret/apology.
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ramesh Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 7:35 am
MR VINOD SHARMA,I UNDERSTAND YOU REPLY TO SELECTED PEOPLE.I EXPECT A RESPONSE.WE HAVE BEEN SLAVES FOR CENTURIES AND REASON IS WELL UNDERSTOOD.I HAVENOT USED A SINGLE UNPARLIAMENTARY WORD.KINDLY LET ME ATLEAST KNOW THE REASON FOR NOT RESPONDING.
I AM SURE IT IS NOT ASKING TOO MUCH.
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
@Ramesh
I have no intention of ignoring any visitor to this blog. I am glad you read my views and have responded. My answer:
Advani’s reply leaked from the BJP side. The original letter of Sonia was leaked by Congress sources the next day. That is normally the way political parties share contents of correspon-dene between senior leaders. I have no personal knowledge about any politicians swiss accounts. So wouldn’t be able to answer that part of your query.
Many thanks
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KHORANA says:
February 22, 2011 at 6:36 am
What rubbish? IS HAMAMM MEIN SABH NANGGHEY HAIN…every body in INDIAN POLITICS has money in SWISS BANK.& else where .to what ever PARTY they belongs…this is the simple truth…..so let us admit it..
This is not LOH PURUSH /Strong man OF B.J.P. getting carried awey with all this..SONIA GANDHI is a shrewed INDIAN BAHOOO..she has asked him to shut up…which he has done like a shrewed INDIAN POLITICIAN…
Moreover with the changed senerio after 9/11 the world scenerio has changed ..as U.S. wants that SWISS BANK money should not be used by TERRORISTS …so this all is happening.
& finelly it is better INDIA goes the way of U.S. type of democracy …where elected PRESIDENT IS FREE TO CHOOSE HIS CABINET …leaving behind the corrupt POLITICIANS.
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dipdi says:
February 22, 2011 at 7:36 am
What stupidities we find here in the name of journalism.Now dear Vinod a great CHAMCHA is goin to declare Sonia as Durga very soon.
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February 25th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
@Dipdi
You do not know me personally. So please don’t cross the lines of decency. I think we can talk with mutual respect despite differences.
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Candor says:
February 22, 2011 at 9:01 am
Earlier, leaders used to command respect from the public which is fast evaporating. There is some fault on part of media also as a mere regret is published as apology. Any person does not deserve apology unless he or she is exonerated with a legal probe. With widespread corruption going under Congress led govt., Sonia Gandhi cannot get a complete clean image. Being a foreigner, she will always be doubted and therefore, till she is Congress President, she must ensure nothing wrong happens and if happens, there is proper action taking irrespective of their govt. survives or not. The countrymen opinion is that Karunanidhi should have been raided and by not raiding Karunanidhi, Congress has put itself into doubt and public feels Congress has hand in glove in 2G spectrum scam and therefore, both Congress and DMK are holding eachothers hand. Karunanidhi had demanded the telecom ministry particularly and with A Raja as telecom minister.
Irrespective of parties, people should keep some personal bondings also and there is nothing wrong if they enquire the well being of each other.
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V.K.CHAWLA says:
February 22, 2011 at 9:27 am
REALLY , HOW REGRET LETTER OF ADVANI BECOMES A LETTER OF APOLOGY. TECHNICALLY REGRET & APOLOGY ARE POLES APART , IN ITS MEANING . DID THIS COUNTRY FORGET HOW A FOREIGNER LEADER OF CONGRESS PARTY , LITERALLY MISBEHAVED WITH VAJPAYEE SAYING MANY THINGS IN PARLIAMENT BUT THERE WAS NO REGRET OR APOLOGY .
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Sid says:
February 22, 2011 at 9:28 am
The problem with Advani is he never attained the WISDOM, many people attain after reaching, the age of 70. Even now, FOUR out of his TEN statements make him look like a novice than an emotional leader. He is NO patch for some of the better leaders of BJP. He also suffers from second in command syndrome – never fit for TOP job!
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Paritosh [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 22, 2011 at 10:44 am
Advani made a mistake by apologising Sonia Maino. its indeed true that Sonia and Rahul Baba must be having black money in Swiss Bank accounts
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Vijay Kumar says:
February 22, 2011 at 11:54 am
Well Advani may have expresses regret,but th following questions remain unanswered
a) Mr Q was close to the Ghandy family and also an agent for various MNC’s pitching for Indian contracts
b) Somebody took huge kickbacks in HDW, Bofors and other defence contracts.
c) Mr Rajiv Gandhi chose to fudge the issue and alos protect MR Q :)
Well, Advani’s regret does not wipe out this truht of history :) :)
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Vijay Kumar says:
February 22, 2011 at 2:31 pm
The arrogant COngress is now set to take on Baba Ramdev. First its MP in Arunachal abused Ramdev. And now Digvijay Singh with his line that Batla killers were innocent kids but Ramdev is communal has accused Ramdev of collecting money.
I think, given the wide popularity Ramdev enjoys, one can safely deduct at least 5% votes from the Congress now onwards ! :)
Long live Digvijay and Mani Aiyar !! Together these jokers along with Rahul will plunge COngress inot a fate worse than 1989 ! :D :D
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 22nd, 2011 at 7:27 pm
@V ijay Kumar
Baba Ramdev is good to me and we spoke on phone yesterday. Anybody has a right to join politics or float a political party. I feel he can be more effective being a referee rather than a political player himself. He’d also do well to talk less and do more — an advice I once gave him in Rajat Sharma’s show. I also requested him to find a remedy for rage and anger that’s so evident in our daily lives.
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Mritunjay Sharma Reply:
February 22nd, 2011 at 9:55 pm
Wish someone had given you similar advice not to join Media and encouraged you to join Politics. You along with Diggy and Mani would be awesome combination…you may call it Trimurthy or 3-Idiots.. choice is yours :)
Anyways on more serious note. I do believe that political leader should show more statesman like behavior in real life. It looks stupid to see them quarrel on petty issues or do Tu-Tu Main-Main.. Also wish the same statesmanship was shown by Sonia Gandhi..she referred to the publicly elected Cm of one of the state “Maut Ke Saudagar”..Wasn’t that childish, Mr. Vinod Sharma??
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 12:41 pm
Mrityunjay,
There is an outside chance that Vinod Sharma might even have accepted the advice. But, of the other two members of the triumvirate, Digvijay would have only gone by the advice of Rajiv Gandhi/Sonia Gandhi or some Muslim peer/faqir and Mani Shankar Aiyar is a self-confessed nastik. Therefore, the teaming up of the three would never have happened.
vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 1:51 pm
@Mritunjay
I am capable of being even more acerbic. But will not rise to your bait. Shall request you to read the tone of the debate and not be needlessly petulant.
V.K.CHAWLA Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
SHE EVEN HAD CALLED VAJPAYEE SEEING ‘ MUNGERI LAL KE SAPNE ‘ , IN A DISCUSSION IN PARLIAMENT , AS A LEADER OF OPPOSITION IN NDA TENURE . IT IS ANOTHER MATTER THAT SHE COULD NOT PRONOUNCE THE WORD PROPERLY & HAD MADE THE HASH OF THE WORDS BUT EVERYBODY PRESENT THERE KNOWS WHAT SHE ACTUALLY SAID DESPITE UPROARS FROM NDA SIDE .
Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 11:07 am
@ Vinod Sharma
Nice to know you are a fan of Baba Ramdev. He does exude honesty and freshness. THough to run a nation, you probably need more– economic growth, foreign policy, investments, law order etc. And not just unraveling blackmoney.
But it won’t be a bad idea in case he were a kingmaker and not a king. He certainly has appeal across all sections and especially in small towns.
However that may end up being his undoing. Mayawati is already uneasy with him; Brinda Karat tried to label him as a tantric, superstitious HIndu using cannibalisitic methods– her mentality applauds the murders of Mao and Stalin, but not the healthy, good work of Ramdev.
:D :D
And if Digvijay and COngress try to make fun of him by labelling him as communal– as they do to all Hindus, they are probably going to sink the congress by 5% vote reducing it to just 19% of all India voters… :D
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Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 11:09 am
@ VInod Sharma,
And if you do need an effective remedy for anger and rage, you can email me at vkkhanna71@gmail.com. I promise and effective remedy– :) Well it could just be drinking a glass of water or maybe a glass of beer or maybe a mysterious factor x… :)
vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
@Swamy Vijay Kumar
Aap to Ram Dev se bhi badey Swami nikle :) ). Paani safeed aur rangeen dono recommend kar diye aap ne. Par yeh X kya hai— ecstasy?
Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
@ Vinod Sharma.
X is ecstasy — but not the goli wali variety. It is a combination of engineering mechanics and psychology. An email and appointment and u will get it .. free. and i am being serious ! :) Very serious.
vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
@Vijay Kumar
I”m not a fan but a friend of Baba Ramdev. He has been kind enough to invite me as a speaker to seiminars at patanjali vidyapeeth. Thrice I was the judge at his Q&A with
Rajat Sharma. Thanks by the way for your offer of help. Over the years, I have deviced my own ways of unwinding. That prescription I do not share with anybody. But have you heard that gazal (details of which can be provided by Swami Shenoy): Yar ko maine, mujhe yaar ne, sone no diya…. :) )
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Praveen Saxena says:
February 22, 2011 at 3:00 pm
If the Subject is being civil and courteous even to one’s political opponents , then I may submit it was always visible among the great parliamentarians across the political spectrum , and we can recall many witty exchanges between political leaders belonging to opposite sides.But if one politician of recent times who it appears is just beginning to learn it , is Sonia Gandhi. .
The servility of the average Congress politician put her on that pedestal.She is enjoying it. But many like me see a ceratin “gulami ki mansikta “in the blind worship which is promoted by the Congress Party. Obviously that contempt and animosity is always visible in her manner and statements. and I think this also a part of her poltical strategy. But probably she is realizing that this strategy also imposes serious limitations in reaching out .
As for L K Advani, he is veteran politician with considerable experience. I see more of a poltical motive behind the letter of regret. It would be silly to,presume that his regret amounts to absolving the Gandhis of all charges of unaccounted money and money laundering, if and when the evidence comes out. Although in the process he has undermined the Committee set up by his own party which did the study, but then the negative fall-out for him , is probably of lesser consequence
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Vijay Kumar says:
February 22, 2011 at 5:14 pm
With the announcement of the court verdict on Godhra one seriously hopes that
a) Digvijay and COngress don’t try to make fun of it and say that the Karsewaks committed suicide
as Lalu thorugh his fake enquiry commission tried to potray
b) BJP should take this as a case of criminal justice and not use it to defame Muslims in general.
But with the bread and butter of news channel depending on raising controversy, woh toh aag hi lagayenge… :( :(
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 22nd, 2011 at 7:22 pm
@Vijay Kumar
The last word on the subject is yet to be heard and might come from the Apex Court which is also monitoring probes into the post-Godhra riots. We must awat the wheels of justice to take the full circle. In the meanwhile, nothing be done to disturb communal peace.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 22nd, 2011 at 9:42 pm
Vinodji,
The discarded politicians, Laloo and Ram Vilas are already out with their condemnation of the verdict. It cannot be said with certainty that the Apex court has the last word, if we go by the Shah Bano judgement. But I would most certainly support anyone who says that even the thirty one convicted persons get a second and more thorough look at their cases. It can’t be anybody’s case that the police investigation should be the last word on their culpability, in a case of such serious dimensions.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 22nd, 2011 at 9:46 pm
I would also support the humanitarian demand for compensation to those found “not guilty”, since many of them were the sole bread winners for their families and they have had to spend more than eight years of their productive life behind prison bars.
vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 2:06 pm
@BV Shenoy
I think there is case for compensation wherever there is miscarriage of justice — no matter who the victim is —Hindu or Muslim.
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Praveen Saxena says:
February 22, 2011 at 5:41 pm
An alternate viewpoint has been put out by Mr S Gurumurthy, a Member of the Task Force., that Advani’s letter had atleast broght into focus the work of the Task Force and its findings against the Gandhi (some would prefer ” Ghandy) family. The release of the Task Force findings had been attended by the Media , but the story was spiked because of the names of Gandhis. So atleast Advani’s letter did the good deed that the findings got publicity.
An interesting angle to the story.
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ishwar Reply:
February 22nd, 2011 at 10:40 pm
For the benefit of other readers, here’s a link of Mr. Gurumurthy’s take on the issue…
http://expressbuzz.com/opinion/columnists/distress-and-regret/249803.html [Click to see nuggets from this page]
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ram [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 22, 2011 at 6:31 pm
Vinnu
my sincere request to you that
please put “PAID EDITORIAL”
like DNA says “this paper is free of any paid news”
of course i will will read it although its paid (monetary or otherwise)
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(Dr.) B.N.Anand says:
February 22, 2011 at 6:58 pm
Dear Vinod Sharma ji
I was not surprised to see you posting a blog on this subject and I was expecting it to come anytime. I based my presumption on the fact when HT made it an eight column headline news on the front page.
In any case, these leaders of all political parties think themselves to belong to one big family of politicians in the country. Their benefits do not stop when they are even out of power. They always live and get their works done whether in or out of power. Their political differences do not stand in the way.
The hostility which they show to each other in public or in tv studios is only for the masses for to gain political points with the masses of the country. It is only the people who get fooled while the leaders always become buddies as soon as they are out of the tv studios or out of the public view.
So I am not as much excited as the media has made it to be an exciting moment in the Indian polity.
BNA
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 22nd, 2011 at 7:19 pm
@Dr Anand
You are entitled to your views. The point I made was that leaders of different parties must have a working relationship despite differences to forge a common stand on key national issues.
The ruling and opposition parties should not behave as enemies.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 22nd, 2011 at 9:30 pm
Vinodji,
It is said that once when Sardar Patel was arguing a case in the court, he received a telegram; he went through the message and coolly kept it inside his pocket and continued with his argument. Only later people came to know that the telegram carried the message about the death of his wife. He never showed any overt emotions, despite being a loving husband.
You have mentioned the names of Nehru, Vajapayee and Advani, who could all be moved by their emotions to display publicly their anger or grief or even happiness. But we have in Karnataka politicians who have made emotionalism a political weapon. Deve Gowda and his two political heavy-weight sons regularly cry in public ostensibly to show their grief at the plight of farmers, of whom these worthies are the self-appointed guardians. Of late Yeddyurappa too has taken a leaf out of the thick book authored by the Gowdas titled “100 different ways of shedding crocodile tears”.
At the last count the book had sold four copies, three complimentary ones to the Gowdas and one bought by Yeddy.
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Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 11:13 am
@ Shenoy,
There are many men I know who will not show any emotion when their wives choose to leave them and meet God.
And they are many more men who will dance with joy when their wives or girlfriends do the same…. :)
vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 2:03 pm
:}} :}} :}} Funny really Mr Shenoy if it is true.
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Vijay Kumar says:
February 22, 2011 at 7:00 pm
The happenings in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya are a grim remainder to the ruling families of India who want pass on the baton to their dynaties as a matter of right. While India has more or less been a democracy, we cannot forget how Indiraji conveniently said that in true democratic manner I am giving you a choice — first Sanjay, then Rajiv :D :D
Rahul should remember that political dynasties are now hated– that despite the sycophants around him who remeind him that the Gaddi is his because of his inheritence, the people of India have no love for an idiot who has equated Hindus with the LeT… :(
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HPN Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 4:57 am
The Gandhis are ruling by proxy. Sonia Gandhi has found this novel way and it is working. So, why will Rahul try to rule directly? They will again put in their men/women as candidates, choose one like MMS for the post of PM and continue like this, without any accountability for themselves.
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Rajiv says:
February 22, 2011 at 9:36 pm
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Godhra verdict and criminal, communal journalism..
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Godhra carnage, in which 59 Hindu pilgrims were burnt to death by a muslim mob, has been a 4-letter word from criminal and communal journalists in India.
The idea peddled by
1. Congress,
2. Congress peddling journalists,
3. thug communists and
4. callous lieful politicians like Lalu and Mulayam has been that
Gujrat riots had no relation to Godhra massacre. That the Gujrat riots were not a sponteneous reaction to the sheer brutality of the Godhra burnings. The idea they peddled or insinuated was that the Gujrat riots were pre-planned and possible even the Godhra burnings pre-planned by the victims and their sympathizers themselves.
As I have said, the intellectual dishonesty of that communal cabal knows no limits.
The Gujrat riots were uised by the same communal class for distorting facts.
How did over 100 Gujrat policement die trying to confront the mobs and protect the citizens ?
Did they die protecting Hindus from Muslim rioters or protecting Muslims from Hindu rioters ?
How did over 200 Hindus dies in the riots following the Godhra carnage ? Did they commit suicide ?
The point is, the Gujrat riots, were just that. Riots provoked by a brutal cold blooded massacre. Yes many innocents died from both communities in the riots, many lost property and the state must learn lessons, correct its mistakes, hold those accountable who did not do enough to protect but should never communalize it in a thuggish, callous political way as Congress and large sections of criminal communists and congress peddling media has done.
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ram autar Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 6:50 pm
200 Hindus dies
BIG LIE.INGODHRA.
compartment was fired by vhp goons from inside and locked from outside.this was reserve bogey and all passengers are alive.from where these people came in compartment.riot was pre-planned.
bogey at godhra eas fired by rss fascist to provide reason for riot.
first riot they ignited in 1969.since then justto take control of high caste votes ,repeating the experiment.muslims are 6%.they cannot retaliate when hindu mobs attacks them with the help of police and fascist gundaas.they have snatche babies from the laps of their mothers fkd them and cut them into pieces in front of their mother.same heinous crime they committed in taj and oberoi on 26/11.this episode was also engineered by sacred brhmns.
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Mohan Ramchandani Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 10:04 pm
Ram,
Since you have proof of Godhra train buring , why dont you offer to become witness
for defence to save those 31 people who have been charged.?
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ram autar Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 11:59 pm
they will be released.i or u have not to worry.inside gujrat modi ka qanoon hai .outside desh ka.only thing
they will loose some years of his precious life.fire in compartment started from inside .there was no muslim there.compartment was locked from outside.vhp was there.
riot was preplanned this incident was used to provocate the hindus.
GHUSSA BADA AQALMAND HOTA HAI
HAMESHA KAMZOOR PAR AATA HAI.
zhoot kee tahni kabhi phalti
naav kagaz kee kabhi chalti nahin.
main conspirator is released due to evidence.this was conspiracy.
raj Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
@hey ram,
MUSLIMS BURNT THE TRAIN
now stop jumpimg from blog to blog & writing the same lies again & again.
really, what are the things, you don’t hate in life.
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ishwar says:
February 22, 2011 at 10:51 pm
@ B.V.SHENOY
Mr. Shenoy, while I always agree with your views on most of the subjects discussed here, I fail to understand the logic behind “humanitarian demand for compensation to those found – not guilty”.
Why do they deserve any compensation? Are they the only ones in the country who have been behind the bars only to be found – not guilty – by a court of law. As far as I know, there is no such provision under the law and we should not set a precedence.
If we were to start compensating everyone who had been wrongly detained while the case carried on for years, then by same yardstick, let’s start putting the lawyers behind the bar who fight cases for criminals whose guilt/crime is proved by the courts.
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Mahesh Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 12:29 am
@Ishwar,
While I don’t intend to get into the “compensation debate” (specifically, how much compensation) – we do have a lot of “pending clean-up” to be done with our judicial processes. Several undertrials – casually detained by our law enforcement agencies have wasted precious years of their lives. A bigger underlying question is how do we make the law enforcement agencies accountable for not commiting these – well – crimes ? Even further , how do we ensure the law enforcement agencies are not under pressure to hastily find a culprit ?
Another point , given the constraints under which our judicial process operates – are you sure you want to penalise the defending lawyers ? Do you really want lawyers turning down cases even at the slightest hint of “court failure” ?
Cheers,
Mahesh.
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Mahesh Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 12:44 am
A small correction on earlier post …
“A bigger underlying question is how do we make the law enforcement agencies accountable for not commiting these – well – crimes ?”
Needs to be correced to :
“A bigger underlying question is how do we make the law enforcement agencies accountable for commiting these – well – crimes ?”
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 12:50 pm
Ishwar,
I see your point of view. There is no provision in the Indian legal system to pay compensation to those found “not guilty” in a criminal case.
But, if you see the issue dispassionately, and also see how these people were “found to have guilt on their hands” and also the police inefficiency and propensity to find short cuts, irrespective of the state, an innocent Muslim has more chances of getting arrested and jailed indefinitely, without bail, than an innocent Hindu. It was from this point of view I made the suggestion. But, we all are the aam aadmi and our opinions count for little or nil in matters as profound as this.
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Praveen Saxena Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 2:25 pm
Shenoy Saab
The circumstances are quite to the contrary. The police or for that matter any govt agency is not hesitant but afraid of entering Muslim areas and enforcing the law. Mischievous elements in those areas know how to mobilize violent groups and communalize the situation. Unfortunately such elements are those who enjoy the protection of the fake secularists as they deliver en-bloc votes in return . Is it rare to read and see and know about such happenings ?
As for the Godhra Judgment , it is yet to be seen how many were “acquitted” and how many were “discharged.”
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 2:45 pm
Dear Praveen Saxenaji,
unfortunately, we both are right to a large extent. Both situations have an intimate relation with the community wise crime rate. But, even if you are right, you have no right to be happy about it and even if I am right, I too have no cause for joy.
Praveen Saxena Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 5:07 pm
Shenoy Saab
Is there even a whisper of joy in my comment? I am not moved emotionally by these developments. Not any longer. Yes I do feel worried at times for the future,but may be time shall take care of these problems in due course… can’t say
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 10:33 am
Dear praveen Saxenaji,
I didn’t mean you personally. Both ‘you’ and ‘I’ are used collectively. What I said applies to all Muslims/Hindus arrested under POTA/MISA, AFSPA and such other acts (for rioting and anti-national activity), which have in-built powers to keep the arrested without trial for indefinite periods. The same applies to the Naxalites/Maoists, LTTE, ULFA etc. But, everybody muct first be proved by the courts to be innocent. We can’t assuage our collective conscience behind the screen of collateral damage.
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Rajiv says:
February 23, 2011 at 12:09 am
I am not against paying a ‘token compensation’ to all people who are incarcerated but charges against them could not be proven, irrespective of the alleged crime. That sends a healthy message.
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usman chaudhry says:
February 23, 2011 at 1:56 am
Greetings Everyone,
One observation (a bit deviated from main topic) require clarification at my end. Hope someone will enlighten in fair exchange of words rather than counter verbal abuse:-
– Mr L K Advani described M.A Jinnah to be secular (despite his politics and struggle for separation lead to creation of Pakistan). Somewhat praise on his remarks to the father of Pakistan during his visit in 2006 lead him to great trouble and had to resign from leadership of his party.
– Down the road Jaswant Singh another BJP politician describe Jinnah above Nehru and more indian in his book. Invited troubles of criticism against himself.
– Mr A.B Vajpayee, visited Pakistan and made Lahore declaration, offered hand shakes of friendship.
It seems BJP had more open soft corner towards Pakistan then other major ruling party i.e. Congress. Percieved as more hardline fundamentalist over here is this a party’s vision or an opinion of few?
Usman
Pakistan
p.s: Folks, dont bring in Kargil incident it is equally astonishing to people over here as percieved by most of you.
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Rajiv Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 3:50 am
Pak media focused on one comment by Advani or Jaswant.
In rest of the book there are many more comments holding Jinnah responsible for using communalism as a political tool and acting as a crass communalist while in his personal life he acted secular including eating pork , wine and marrying someone from outside his religion while disowning his daughter for marrying outside her religion !
The fact that Jinah is the father of the modern Taleban is not in dispute except in some communal circles.
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usman chaudhry Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 11:38 pm
@Rajiv
Back then there was no concept of any muslim fundamentalist even though means was to achieve a separate homeland for muslims of India. Religion was applied as a tool to sought a solution. Unfortunately, this is not lasting as it could be a reason to achieve geography but no the way to run it administratively. His immediate refute to go by it was what made him at bay with religious heads.
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Rajiv Reply:
March 4th, 2011 at 12:53 am
@Usman
Jinnah used Religion and religion alone, in support of his demand for Pakistan. You call it a tool for seperate state , I call it a devious ideology that has given birth to Islamic fundamentalism.
He beleived, as he said repeatedly including in his presidential address in 1940 at Lahore that Hindus and Muslims cannot live together in one state. I have quoted his spech in a seperate comment.
Jinnah was communal in his political ideology to the core. Just read his speeches.
Also his speech in Karachi after Partition , which is often quoted, is him trying to now seperate the state from religious parties after using religion to form the state in the first place.
Unprincipled, unethical and dishonest politician. Thats what Jinnah was and should be seen as.
Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 11:52 am
@ Usman,
Well when Jaswant Singh or Advani praised Jinnah, they were indirectly indicting Pakistan for what it had become after Gen Smiling- Cobra-Zia siezed power.
What they were trying to say is, “look you guys don’t have to tolerate fanatics as leaders or think Hafeez Saeed is the true role model of a good Pakistani. Even your founder had a gentle vision where religion cannot be imposed on non Muslims; that a true Pakistani should not be a fundamantalist at odds with civlizations of the world…”
I think Jaswant and Advani meant well. In fact it was an indirect barbat what P{akistan had become. But wrenched out of context, it was used by the party to have a go at them. In this, the principle prodder was the COngress…
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Vijay Kumar,
to make the description of Gen Zia more colourful, we can call him Gen.Smiling-cobra, Dracula-in-bandhgala Zia
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Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 12:35 pm
@ Shenoy
:) :) And we have to remember that this Smiling cobra-Bandghala managed to impress our joker Mani Aiyar who could never fathom as Indian’s cousel General in Islamabad that a terrorist conspiracy in Punjab and Kashmir was being launched by this Dracula general .
I always imagine Mani Aiyar singing
” Fellow Stephanian
Thick Moustache…
The general is a jolly good chap ! :D
usman chaudhry Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 11:41 pm
@Vijay,
Thank you for your response for once it was appealing :) .
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Vinay Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 9:36 pm
BJP does not have a unilateral vision. Unlike Congress, where there is one at the top and rest are followers, each leader in BJP (a liberal or a conservative) expresses his own view. People like Ram Jethmalani hold totally opposite stand on some issues raised by the party but still continue with the party. Views change with every leader and sometimes also with time. BJP itself has changed with time. Earlier the party (Old JanSangh and BJP in pre-90s) fought the elections with issues like uniform civil code, article 370 etc. But awareness among the mass then was limited, they got emotionally carried away with Congress slogans like “Garibi Hatao”. Early 90s BJP also came with emotional ideas (“Mandir Wahi Banayenge”) which gave dividends. Since then, it has stuck to a conservative image and banking too much on emotional tactics, holding numerous “Yatra”s.
During this transition of BJP, the old timers (of Jan Sangh) who are still continuing with today’ (changed) party have got stuck. Their old school of openness is today considered as indiscipline and these views are no more welcomed by the party (BJP already has whole media against it. These leader’s statements get twisted in the media reports. The party cannot further risk its patriotic image by accepting its own leader’s words, praising the leader of an “enemy country”). I wonder what actually descipline means, when an honest person like Jaswant Singh can be expelled from party for having different views than party but a corrupt chief minister is allowed to continue. But then, this is the compromise which every party has done for power. What varies is degree.
(Post 2000, globalisation and electronic media have generated a conscious middle class who won’t go by emotions, instead ask for issues. Old JanSangh with today’s middle class would have provided a good alternative. Unfortunately BJP always misses to feel pulse of the people).
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usman chaudhry Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 11:45 pm
Very well, indeed a response that came close to my query. Helped me in understanding what mood is within the hierarchy of the party.
Thanks,
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 11:07 am
Dear Shri Vinay,
You have expressed some strong views here about the BJP.
Ram jethmalani has been co-opted as a Rajya Sabha MP as a conscious decision for adding to its fire power and image in the upper house. It is not that the BJP was not aware of ram Jethmalani’s unpredictability and whimsical ways. Still, he is an asset to the party.
The congress party too made several public figures as their Rajya Sabha MPs; Justice Ranganath Mishra, M.S.Gill etc. But the difference is that these worthies have been reduced to the status of errand boys and Mr.Gill particularly evokes only derisive pity.
As regards old timers, let me tell you that the congress party too has suffered loss of leaders like Firoze Gandhi, Acharya Kripalani, Rajaji, Minoo Masani, Jaya Prakash Narayan, Nijalingappa, Kamarajetc. etc.
Lastly, Advani is an intellectual leader and a great organiser. Even his bitterest criticsand enemies admire the way he rebuilt the shattered party with just 2 seats in the ‘84 elections to the posoition of largest single party in 1996 and then to become the ruling party in 1998 and again in 1999.
As two other posts herebelow show, Advani has neither “praised” Jinnah nor “apologised” to Sonia. You must give credit to the media for trying to somehow malign him and if possible finish him off.
The one single reason which it can never live down is the terribly hurtful truth in his description of the media: “when asked to merely bend, it (the media) crawled.”
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Vinay Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
Shenoyji,
When I said Ram Jethmalani having opposite views still continuing with the party, I actually meant the democracy alive in the party, unlike Congress where everyone nods to high command. All the leaders of Congress you have brought in are before Indira Gandhi’s era. After that, who is the well respected tall leaders from Congress who are not Gandhis Compare that to BJP. (Sorry, if my ealier post did not bring out this sense properly. But I DID mention in my earlier post about media twisting the leader’s statements, which leaves the party worrying about its image).
You would agree Vajpayee and Advani had difference of opinions on various issues. But their loyalty towards their party was unmatched. Because of this culture, difference of opinion and healthy intelectual debates never meant indiscipline in the party before. Today, a person is ready to break the party and take a fraction of it just to become CM; in contrast to Vajpayee’s speech during the vote of confidence during his thirteen-day government(1996). I consider, defending helplessness of today’s party is a disrepect to those ideals fought.
Vajpayee is the only person, who had no family tags and who was “actually” chosen as PM by Indians. Rest are because of nomination (Nehru also was not Congress’s first choice) or coalition politics. Bowing to Obama’s demands or attacking girls in Pub, both are not part of “Swadeshi Culture”, which Sangh cherished for long. BJP needs to get its identity back and its top leaders should stop considering themselves helpless, when they deal with corruption. Hope, I have made myself clear this time.
(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 7:23 pm
Hello Mr. Usman
Let me also chip in to share my thoughts with you on this subject.
While on a visit to Pakistan some years back, Mr. LK Advani had only quoted the vision of Mr. Jinnah and had only recalled the his famous address to the Pakistan’s first constituent Assembly on August 11, 1947. I quote below some lines from his address
“You are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place of worship in the State of Pakistan.You may belong to any religion or caste or creed. That has nothing to do with the business of the state”.
There is no doubt that this rare speech by the founder of Muslin country was a watershed in the history. He gave practical shape to his vision by appointing a Hindu as the first law minister of Pakistan to indicate that Quaid did not want politics to be influenced by faith. It is another matter that Mr. Mandal resigned in 1950 once the pledge made by Jinnah was squandered by his successors.
Mr. Advani had only recalled this vision of Jinnah and in fact meant how the dreams of the founder of Pakistan have been dashed when his successors turned Pakistan into a theocratic state in contrast to the secular vision of Mr. Jinnah.
Although Mr. Advani had not said anything which could be construed as praise for Mr. Jinnah, the media in our country greatly distorted his version to give an impression that he had in fact praised the founder of Pakistan. The congress party exploited it hard to get political value. The RSS was also taken in by the rhetoric of the media. It is now well known the hard times through which Mr. Advani had to pass. But ultimately, his party and RSS found the truth and Mr. Advani has regained his top position in the party.
It is true that BJP always worked seriously for an Indo-Pak friendship despite having been cheated by Pakistan in terms of Parliament attack, Kargil war and Lahore declaration signed during Mr. Vajpayee’s vist to Pakistan.. It is also a fact that Mr. Vajpayee had visited Minar-e-Pakistan in Lahore but then the Jamait people had washed it with milk as they thought the monument was sullied by the visit of a Kafir.
Well, I am not adding anything from my side. These facts are all well documented and are part of the history.
Hope you got some answer to your query.
Regards
BNA
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B.V.SHENOY says:
February 23, 2011 at 12:15 pm
Dear Shri Usman Chaudhry,
Please know that L.K.Advani didn’t describe Jinnah as a secular. On a visit to his kabr, he wrote the following :
In his early years, Sarojini Naidu, a leading luminary of India’s freedom struggle, described Mr. Jinnah as an “Ambassador of Hindu-Muslim Unity”. His address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan on August 11, 1947 is a classic, a forceful espousal of a Secular State in which every citizen would be free to practise his own religion but the State shall make no distinction between one citizen and another on the grounds of faith.
“My respectful homage to this great man.”
Please find the word, secular in this tribute Advani paid to Jinnah. It is a media created myth that Jinnah was called secular by Advani.
As for the congress party, it adopts different policies for different religions. When it is anything to do with Hindus or Hinduism, it is pseudo secular at its worst. When it is dealing with issues concerning Muslims or Christians, it is secular-fundamentalist., supporting the cause espoused by the particular group.
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 1:47 pm
@BV Shenoy
The long explanation you gave on Advani’s behalf was unnecessary. In short he told his hosts that the Pakistan they have created wasn’t the Pakistan of their quaid-e-azam’s dreams. The word secularism is an abuse for many political and religio-political parties in Pakistan.
Only the PPP, the ANP and the MQM pride in their secular approach.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 2:16 pm
Vinodji,
I was only trying to clear a doubt our neighbour, Usman Bhai had expressed about Advani describing Jinnah as a secular. Advani’s comment was towards the state of Pakistan, which it had become as against what Jinnah wanted it to be.
I feel secualrism and unsecularism both are cheap, exchangeable commodities in Pkistani politics.
In India, we have, as George Fernandes had said, two kinds of people:secualrs and normal. It is for each individual to decide what he is.
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usman chaudhry Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 12:01 am
Hello Mr Shenoy,
I believe this is our first encounter over any topic. So if i understand you through the voice of LK Advani it is not the personality but rather the state that he meant to be secular. Well no harm in it but sure must have made disturbance within the party lines and angst is understandable w.r.t end conclusion.
Usman
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 11:16 am
Usman Bhai,
It is not merely Advani’s wish. Nearly the whole of India wants Pakistan to become at least a ghost of a secular state, give at least breathing space to its minorities and leave them alone. Even if that is not possible, India will wish Pakistan well even if it steps back from the religious fundamentalist precipice, off which its death wish is propelling it jump.
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Vijay Kumar says:
February 23, 2011 at 1:03 pm
In this continuous gymnasitics of pandering to creating a HIndu- Muslims wedge The Congress is about to announce religion based reservations for Muslims. And today it has announced that Jamia Millia will be given minority status and 50% of the seats will be now reserved for Muslims.
What was the need when
—> 22.5 % seats were anyway reserved for Muslims as these were seats for students of Jamia school where more than 90% students were Muslms.
THe need I might tell you is sending a message to Muslims that while the BJP government is punishing people who burnt 59 people in the GOdhra train, we are with you and are giving you extra rights based on relgion.
What dirt of convulated mentality this COngress represents !! :(
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B.V.SHENOY says:
February 23, 2011 at 2:29 pm
Usman,
you said, “It seems BJP had more open soft corner towards Pakistan than other major ruling party….”
I would say, whatever the BJP does, it does up front. What the congress party does, it always does things behind the back of the Indian parliament. A few examples:
1. Jawaharlal Nehru committed India to take the Kashmir issue to the UN almost secretly and even against the advice of the military, which was on the verge of throwing your rag tag army out from Indian soil.
2. Indira Gandhi agreed to release 93000 soldiers of the defeated Pak army without geting anything in return-behind the back of the Indian parliament. In this she at least had some common sense NOT TO TAKE THE ISSUE TO THE UN SECURITY COUNCIL, which would have gladly advised India to undo the partition of Pakistan.
3.The latest instance is the clandestine agreement signed by our novice FM at Sharm-el-Shaikh.
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ram autar says:
February 23, 2011 at 6:53 pm
ADVANI CAME TO INDIA IN BOAC AFTER PLANTING BOMB IN KARACHI RALLY WHERE ALL HIS FRIENDS WERE ARRESTED.DECIDED TO SERVE BRHMNSM.SINCE LAST 6 DECADES HE IS DOING THIS WITHOUT ANY GAIN.NOW HE IN LIVING DEAD.
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raj Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
@hey ram,,, AFTER PLANTING BOMB IN KARACHI
peddeling your hatred in this blog too.
its all zionist, raw, cia, jews propaganda
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Rajiv says:
February 23, 2011 at 9:12 pm
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Census officer to visit Ajmal Kasav in jail..
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These are the questions that Muhammad Kasav will face
“Reason for migration to India? What is your job profile? What is the nature of your job? These are few of the questions that Pakistani terrorist Ajmal Kasab will have to answer when census enumerators visit him in Arthur Road jail tomorrow.”
“All prisoners, Indians or foreigners, lodged in jails at both Arthur Road and Byculla would be counted during the exercise. Kasab will also be counted and he will have to answer a set of questions relating to personal details, education, nature of work etc,” Dr SD Thosar, Assistant Health Officer (Census) told PTI.
“The census exercise at the Arthur Road jail began yesterday. Kasab will be counted tomorrow but by our own jail staff,” Arthur Road prison superintendent Rajendra Dhamne told PTI.
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Any guesses what will be Kasav’s response to questions relating to his employment ?
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Rajiv says:
February 23, 2011 at 9:39 pm
@Usman,
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Presidential address by Muhammad Ali Jinnah to the Muslim League
Lahore, 1940, which adopted the Pakistan Resolution.
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http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00islamlinks/txt_jinnah_lahore_1940.html [Click to see nuggets from this page]
Jinnah on Hindus and Muslims..
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It is extremely difficult to appreciate why our Hindu friends fail to understand the real nature of Islam and Hinduism. They are not religions in the strict sense of the word, but are, in fact, different and distinct social orders; and it is a dream that the Hindus and Muslims can ever evolve a common nationality; and this misconception of one Indian nation has gone far beyond the limits and is the cause of more of our troubles and will lead India to destruction if we fail to revise our notions in time. The Hindus and Muslims belong to two different religious philosophies, social customs, and literature[s]. They neither intermarry nor interdine together, and indeed they belong to two different civilisations which are based mainly on conflicting ideas and conceptions. Their aspects [=perspectives?] on life, and of life, are different. It is quite clear that Hindus and Mussalmans derive their inspiration from different sources of history. They have different epics, their heroes are different, and different episode[s]. Very often the hero of one is a foe of the other, and likewise their victories and defeats overlap. To yoke together two such nations under a single state, one as a numerical minority and the other as a majority, must lead to growing discontent, and final. destruction of any fabric that may be so built up for the government of such a state. …”
Jinnah went on to say that seed of Pakistan was laid the day first Hindu was converted to Islam.
Jinnah family itself converted to Islam from Hinduism, just 2 generation before Jinnah.
This is the same philosophy as of Al-Qaida and Taleban.
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Gandhiji on Hindus and Muslims
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My whole soul rebels against the idea that Hinduism and Islam represent two antagonistic cultures and doctrines. To assent to such a doctrine is for me a denial of God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India [Click to see nuggets from this page]
Those quotes say almost everything about the different Philosophies of India ( a pluralistic, composite tolerant culture ) Vs everything that’s opposite of good ( Pakistan ).
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Saarthak [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 24, 2011 at 2:31 am
Original letter of LK Advani to Sonia Gandhi:
Dear Smt. Sonia ji,
On my return from Kolkatta last night I found your letter dated 15 February awaiting me.
I am happy that you have categorically denied the reports alluded to in the Task Force’s report on Black Money. If these had been denied earlier, I am sure the Task Force would have factored in, the denial in its report. Even so, I deeply regret the distress caused to you.
With best regards,
Yours sincerely,
( L.K. ADVANI )
Our ’sickular’ Cpngress paid media twisted the language and tone of Advani’s letter and blew it out of proportion. HT had a headline “Advani says Sorry to Sonia Gandhi for gaffe” …utterly disgusting
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
@Saarthak
The issue raised in the blog is much wider. Regret means what? Does it mean I am not sorry?
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
Vinodji,
regret: Definition … 1. to feel sorrow or remorse for (an act, fault, disappointment, etc.): He no sooner spoke than he regretted it.; 2. to think of with a sense of loss: to regret one’s vanished youth.; —n.; 1. a sense of loss, disappointment, dissatisfaction, etc.
apology: : an admission of error or discourtesy accompanied by an expression of regret, eg; a public
apology.
Avani’s regret is for the distress supposedly caused to Madam Soniaji
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
@BV Shenoy
Let us not nit-pick please. If you insist on persisting with your view, I have nothing to say.
B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
Vinodji,
Advani has NOT apologised for the supposed mistake of the task force set up by him. And the task force too has NOT retracted its findings about Sonia Gandhi’s foreign accounts.
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Saarthak [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
Vinod ji, the point is Advani expressed ‘regret’ for the ‘distress’ caused to Mrs Gandhi. He has not apologized or faulted the Task Force’s finding unlike what HT, NDTV and some others would like us to beleive.
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Ankit Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 8:16 am
Advani engaged in basic decency that normal humans should do. For example, despite having known that this journalist has sold his professional ethics to a political party I would still fold my hand and say namaste to Mr.Sharma if I run into him some day.
It is another manner that spokesmen of Vinod’s party regularly use abusive language while referring to Advani or other people from the opposition.
vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
@BV Shenoy and Saarthak
I met Advaniji in the corridors of Parliament yesterday. He himself spoke approvingly about my blog on his letter to Sonia. For me the matter ends there.
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Amit says:
February 24, 2011 at 6:48 am
Advani is a flip-flop politician who has made controversial comments such as the one on Jinnah’s secularism, and now a controversial apology to Sonia. We thank God he is not the prime minister – such mistakes would have been costly. Until then, we do hope that cooler heads shall prevail…
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Amit says:
February 24, 2011 at 6:52 am
A country of dumb praisers and mute spectators weakens the strength of a tiger nation. Such is the state of India today.
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Vijay Kumar says:
February 24, 2011 at 11:12 am
~~~:D :D :D ~~ WILL CONGRESS BE THE NEXT KHISAYANI BILLI ? ~~ :D :D :D ~~~~
The “grave digger of Congress” Digvijay Singh has now attackked Baba Ramdev with allegations of black money, to deflect attention from their own black choli and daman :)
Swami Ramdev has hit back declaring the actual assets of Patanjali Yogpeeth, which may be huge, given the popularity he enjoys and the lakhs who flock to his camps each month. So his income means is known to all, unlike that of the COngress leadres, sycophants and grave diggers who will soon join the chorus of attackers. It is also possible that the CBI and investigating agencies with a congress motivated agenda will be let loose after Swami Ramdev.
But this is a battle in which the Congress is bound to lose at least 10% of its 26% vote share of the last Lok Sabha. Why?
If Congress grave digger Digvijay or any other so called COngress leader announces a speech in Delhi, not more than 100 people will gather in any corner– Laxmi Nagar, Ashok Vihar, Connought Place, Vasant Vihar… any place. But in case Swami Ramdev were to come, you would be assured of a crowd of at least 50,000…
The last time Brinda Karat, wife of the Indian Stalin, Prakash Karat, took on Ramdev, by tossing false allegations, they were ditched by their own comrades. Even NDTV lost quite a bit of popularity.
Now it is th turn of the COngress to become the Khisyani Billi !! :) :) :)
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Vijay Kumar,
In this battle of wits, Digvijay Singh has brought the focus of black money back on Sonia Gandhi.See the following equation:
Sonia Gandhi with sevaral billion $ in hoards (all in black) has no car, no house= Baba Ramdev, with all white money in 1000’s of crores in various trusts has no wealth of his own.
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Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
@ Shenoy.
Iss algebra ka jawaab nahi !
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
Vinodji will probably call it abra-ka-dabra
vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 7:46 pm
@BV Shenoy
Ur a quite good at hocus-pocus …..
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Praveen Saxena says:
February 24, 2011 at 3:20 pm
The Delhi Lokayukta today recommended removal of city PWD Minister Raj Kumar Chauhan from the council of ministers for trying to protect a leading resort in a tax evasion case.
Being the PWD Minister ,this guy was also incharge of the Infrastructure projects relating to CWG.
So the true credentials of the Grand Old Party are now coming out like a can of worms.
Just wait for the next big event , the Wikileaks on Swiss Acoount Holders.
The Lokayukta ought to be investigated
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tajender says:
February 25, 2011 at 3:25 pm
newspapers are reporting that Raymond Davis, the CIA contractor in jail in Lahore facing murder charges for the execution-slayings of two young men believed to by Pakistani intelligence operatives, was actually involved in organizing terrorist activities in Pakistan.
As the Express Tribune, an English-language daily that is linked to the International Herald Tribune, reported on Feb. 22:
“The Lahore killings were a blessing in disguise for our security agencies who suspected that Davis was masterminding terrorist activities in Lahore and other parts of Punjab,” a senior official in the Punjab Police claimed.
“His close ties with the TTP [the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan] were revealed during the investigations,” he added. “Davis was instrumental in recruiting young people from Punjab for the Taliban to fuel the bloody insurgency.” Call records of the cellphones recovered from Davis have established his links with 33 Pakistanis, including 27 militants from the TTP and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi sectarian outfit, sources said.
The article goes on to explain a motive for why the US, which on the one hand has been openly pressing Pakistan to move militarily against Taliban forces in the border regions abutting Afghanistan, would have a contract agent actively encouraging terrorist acts within Pakistan, saying:
Davis was also said to be working on a plan to give credence to the American notion that Pakistan’s nuclear weapons are not safe. For this purpose, he was setting up a group of the Taliban which would do his bidding.
According to a report in the Economic Times of India, a review by police investigators of calls placed by Davis on some of the cell phones found on his person and in his rented Honda Civic after the shooting showed calls to 33 Pakistanis, including 27 militants from the banned Pakistani Taliban, and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, an group identified as terrorist organization by both the US and Pakistan, which has been blamed for the assassination of Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, and to the brutal slaying of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl.
Meanwhile, while the US continues to claim that Davis was “defending himself” against two armed robbers, the Associated Press is reporting that its sources in Pakistan’s intelligence agency, the Inter-Service Intelligence (ISI), are telling them that Davis “knew both men he killed.”
The AP report, which was run in Thursday’s Washington Post, claims the ISI says it “had no idea who Davis was or what he was doing when he was arrested,” that he had contacts in Pakistan’s tribal regions, and that his visa applications contained “bogus references and phone numbers.”
The article quotes a “senior Pakistani intelligence official” as saying the ISI “fears there are hundreds of CIA contractors presently operating in Pakistan without the knowledge of the Pakistan government or the intelligence agency.”
In an indication that Pakistan is hardening its stance against caving to US pressure to spring Davis from jail, the Express Tribune quotes sources in the Pakistani Foreign Office as saying that the US has been pressing them to forge backdated documents that would allow the US to claim that Davis worked for the US Embassy. President Obama, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and other top US officials have been trying to claim Davis was an Embassy employee, and not, as they originally stated, and as he himself told arresting police officers, just a contractor working out of the Lahore Consulate. The difference is critical, since most Embassy employees get blanket immunity for their activities, while consular employees, under the Vienna Conventions, only are given immunity for things done during and in the course of their official duties.
The US had submitted a list of its Embassy workers to the Foreign Office on Jan. 20, a week before the shooting. That list had 48 names on it, and Davis was not one of them. A day after the shooting, the Embassy submitted a “revised” list, claiming rather improbably that it had “overlooked” Davis. At the time of his arrest, Davis was carrying a regular passport, not a diplomatic one, though the Consulate in Lahore rushed over the following day and tried to get police to let them swap his well-worn regular passport for a shiny new diplomatic one (they were rebuffed). Davis was also carrying a Department of Defense contractor ID when he was arrested, further complicating the picture of who his real employer might be.
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Rajiv Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
Lies,more lies and criminal lies from the most criminal entity on earth : Pak establsihment. I am so glad that US is getting a true picture of Pakistan in Davis affair. Pakistani state beggers, beg to US for aid and with that same money, finance lieful, monstorous propoganda against USA and India.
Anyone engaging this most criminal entity call Pakistan will get defrauded. Period.
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Vijay Kumar says:
February 25, 2011 at 3:53 pm
@ Vinodji,
Sir, today’s HT has a report about Arun Shourie meeting the CBI. Now the whole report is slanted in such a manner as if to implicate the BJP for being equally culpable in the 2G loot. The truth being an opposite that 2 G is solely a UPA loot and Shourie has himslef volunteered to help the CBI so that Raja and UPA don’t lie to the nation.
Similarly yesterday Pankaj Vohra cast aspersions on the Godhra verdict, saying that the UC Banerji report suggested that it was a suicide or an accident. WOW!! If it was so why did/nt the poor innocent victims , not run out into other compartments?
It seems that the standards of HT’s journalism are falling deeper and deeper. I hope you guys won’t try to peddle the next bunch of lies that Kasab and Afzal Guru are innocent, and it was a CIA/mossad/ Shiv Sena plot
Sad is’nt it? :( :(
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
@Vijay Kumar
I don’t know about Godhra. But read Mail Today and you would know that the Modi appointed Nanawati Commission indicted Umarji— the man acquitted by the Court. As for Shourie, you have already pronounced your verdict. So there is no purpose arguing.
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Praveen Saxena Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 5:57 pm
The Commissions of Inquiry are fact finding bodies and are not bound by the rigours of the Rules of Evidence law and Criminal Procedure Code which courts are. Commissions of Inquiry are not Trial Courts and do not impose punishment. Criminal Courts judge the charges according to the provisions of laws and if charges are found to to be true , when the evidence meets the prescribed tests , impose punishment.
It is puerile to say that the Nanavati Commission found Umarji guilty but the Court did not and to draw inferences from such differences to deride either.
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
@Praveen Saxena
You are being as judgemental as Nanawati. My point was that Nanawati has proved to be as unreliable — if you like — as U C Banerjee. But both were senior retired judges and should not be rubbished on the basis of the verdict of a sessions court. The matter will go upto SC and let us wait for its take on the case.
Praveen Saxena Reply:
February 26th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
@Vinod Sharma
“You are being as judgemental as Nanawati ”
? ? ? What judgement have I made.
” My point was that Nanawati has proved to be as unreliable — if you like — as U C Banerjee. But both were senior retired judges and should not be rubbished on the basis of the verdict of a sessions court. ”
Both have proved to be Unreliable but still should not be rubbished. ? ? ?
vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 26th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
@Praveen Saxena
You really don’t allow nuances to grow on you dear. I made a qualified comment on their unreliability — by saying ‘if you like.’
Praveen Saxena Reply:
February 28th, 2011 at 10:09 am
@Vinod Sharma
You may be right Sir . Unlike Rajesh Khanna in “DAAG ” , Lafjon pe mat jana , matlab to samajh rahe ho na ; by training , I am inclined to let the written and spoken word be strictly construed.
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B.V.SHENOY says:
February 25, 2011 at 6:34 pm
Vinodji,
you said,
@BV Shenoy and Saarthak
“I met Advaniji in the corridors of Parliament yesterday. He himself spoke approvingly about my blog on his letter to Sonia. For me the matter ends there.”
In my very firast response to this blog, I had commended you for writing one of your better articles. I had also approvingly said that Advani did the right thing in writing to Sonia Gandhi expressing “regrets” for the distress caused to her by the report.
What I and many others on this blog have objected to is the media’s spin to the whole issue. One paper said Advani “apologised to Sonia Gandhi after she wrote a “terse” letter to him.Your own paper said that Adbvani “apologised” toMadam for his “gaffe”.
I, however, couldn’t get confirmation to a rumour that Sonia Gandhi summoned the head of the deptt of English of JNU asking him to explain which of the dozen odd meanings of “terse” given in Oxford English Distionery would apply to her letter:
terse: concise, succinct, compact, brief, short, to the point, crisp, pithy, elliptical, epigrammatic, abrupt, curt, brusque, laconic, short, clipped, blunt.
Also, he was asked to explain the meaning of “gaffe”, to which he had instantly replied “Madam, what you did to Vajapayee when you said, Vajapayeeji ki dimagee halat theek nahin hai” was the exact meaning of gaffe.
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 7:44 pm
@BV Shenoy
Not funny Sir. Please revert to facts and leave fiction for some other time if you want to continue with this chat. Many Thanks
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 26th, 2011 at 10:38 am
Vinodji,
If you didn’t like the joke or you found it in poor taste, I am sorry/I regret/I apologise or whatever the appropriate term is.
But, It is not fiction that Sonia Gandhi called Vajapayee a man with a loose upper storey. I saw her say that on TV. I had quoted this incident in the context of this blog’s cover story : cordiality, conviviality, courtesy and bonhomie among the leaders of the congress and BJP parties.
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 26th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
@BV Shenoy
Yes,Sonia did make that mistake but apologised in no time. To err is human Dear Shenoy. And to make amends is like being a true child of God. Any more arguments?
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Rajiv says:
February 26, 2011 at 1:02 am
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Before India ever engages Pakistan..
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Before India engages itself with Pakistan, India must ask itself, what has been the result of previots engagements and accords with Pakistan ?.
1. Did Nehru-Liaqat accord stop the annhilation of Hindu, Sikh minorities in Pakistan ? Is anything left of the 18-25% Hindus and Sikhs that made of West Pakistan population ?
2. Did the Shimla accord between Indira and Bhutto, where in India returned 12,000 sq miles of Pak territory and 93,000 Pak prisoners, achive anything for India ? Did our large heartedness reduce Pak enimity or just re-inforce it ? Did Pakistan keep its part of the bargain to not interfere in Indian Kashmir affairs or did it just do the opposite ?
3. What about the Vajpayee-Sharif Lahore declaration ?
Did Pakistan wait for the ink to dry on the pact , before it sneaked its forces into Kargil ? To this day it lies abaout it ans as usual is shameless and brazen about its duplicity. Thats its character as a nation.
4. What about numerous declarations where Pakistan has committed to not allow terrorists and militants to operate against India from its soil ? Do not LeT/Jamat-ul-Dawa and its leaders organize terrorist acts against India freely from Pakistan, with protection and help from Pak state itself ?
Any engagement with Pakistan will only lead to India getting defrauded. India has held up its part of the bargain in spectacular fashion. The biggest of them all, The Indus water treaty, has survived wars initiated by Pakistan and numerous terrorist attacks from Pakistan because of India’s unprecedented commitment. Far from apreciating India’s honesty, it has not stopped Pakistan from carrying out the most venal, anti-India propoganda on the water issue.
Almost everytime Pakistan goes to independednt Indus water commission with charges against India, the commission rules in India’s favour with cosmetic changes.
The lesson is, we need to be rational and honest to ourselves. Engagement with a corrupt, criminal entity will serve no purpose and only emboldens the degenerate.
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Vijay Kumar says:
February 26, 2011 at 4:56 pm
@ Vinod Sharma
Coming back to the GOdhra verdict, if one starts doubting the findings of a SUpreme court monitored SIT, then one should start doubting everything. How do we know that is is day right now? How do we know Osma Bin actually exists or is it a CIA plot? How do we know whether 26/11 was Pakistani terror attack or a Mossad/RSS/CIA/Shiv Sena plot as Burney and Antulay pointed out.
Everything can be called fake. Maybe the sun rotates around the earth and not vice versa :)
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 26th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
@Vijay Kumar
You often argue to win a point— not to make a point. That isn’t a very mature way of looking at things.
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 26th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
@Vijay Kumar
If a SC monitored probe is good enough— which it is till the Court itself pronounces a verdict–then why did you oppose my opposition to the JPC on 2G scam being probed under the SC’s watchful eyes.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 26th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
Vinodji, a good point, but, sadly NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 26th, 2011 at 8:45 pm
@BV Shenoy
It is difficult to please you my friend. I give up ….u win.
Vijay Kumar Reply:
March 1st, 2011 at 12:05 pm
@ Vinod Sharma,
Am not arguing for the sake for the sake of arguement. Just truly feel that it is important to execute justice rather than find new arguments to defend criminals, who end up using politicians to espouse their cause. In this case the guys who burnt the train being the crimninals.
I was for the JPC in 2G because only a JPC can summon all MP’s and the PM..
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B.V.SHENOY says:
February 27, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Vinodji,
“Nothing in life is so exhilarating as to be shot at without result.”
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Pankaj#1 Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
Shenoy Sahab;
Sambhal ke, Sholay main un teeno ne samjha, ki, shot at and not hurt, but in next instant, Gabbar killed all three of them. Be aware and be safe.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 28th, 2011 at 10:39 am
Dear Shri Pankaj,
Luckily, Vinodji has, in his armoury nothing more lethal than a few printable gaalis, which too he reserves for a few chosen derelicts.
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Vijay Kumar says:
March 1, 2011 at 12:20 pm
~~~~ :D :D :) :) SWAMI RAMDEV’S CLARION CALL TO THE CONGRESS :) :) :D :D ~~~~
:) ____ :) JO HUMSE TAKRYEGA… CHOOR CHOOR HO JAYEGA :) ______ :)
Diggy the grave digger of the COngress threw malicious allegations against Swami Ramdev and Ramdev has taken up the challenge of taking on corruption.
The Congress is making a huge huge HUGE !! mistake of underestimating Swami Ramdev’s popularity. In various previous avatars the Congress would have invoked, CIA, MOssad, and what not to label Ramdev’s charges of corruption against the COngress as reactionary and right wing. In fact once it even labelled Menaka’s marriage to Sanjay as a CIA plot. :)
:) Ha HA HA !! That is the level of intellect of this wasted party !! :)
But now the way things are going, the Congress will end up committing suicide under Digvijay’s spell by not tackling corruption, but conitinously invoking the BJP !!
Hey guys… I have a felling that Digvijay and one Mani Shankar Aiyar might be BJP agents or CIA double agents, the way they have pushed Congress onto this path …
Mani AIyar by first failing as a Sports Minister and then causing panic as the deadlines drew nearer and finally shouting out scam scam scam!!
And Digvijay by alienating India by propping up elelments who thought 26/11 is an internl Hindu conspiracy …
What jokers !!
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Praveen Saxena says:
March 1, 2011 at 4:35 pm
Death sentence to the murderers of Godhra. Death blow to the fake secularists.
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ram autar Reply:
March 1st, 2011 at 10:29 pm
Death sentence to the murderers of Godhra.
this mockery of indian judiciary.kondani is free after burn ing 69 innocents.in high court judgement will be reversed gujrat court is modi court.main conspirator proved innocent.in higher court right hand man of advani will caught.
26/11 was game of rss/cia/isi/an sacred brhmns in IB. who killed the terrorists.must be explained to indian.
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Praveen Saxena says:
March 1, 2011 at 4:50 pm
It appears that the lady with the continuous frown has found a place in the JPC. The opposition has to find someone who can match frown for frown .
Saw Shalini Singh the ET Corresponent ( on the Telecom beat ) on Lok Sabha TV yesterday. She also had played a stellar role in exposing the Scam. She talked extensively on the ” Watchdog Journalists ” versus the ” Lapdog journalists.” Also what the ” Best Lawyer politician ” of the country is upto in the Telecom Ministry. Assigning him to that job was a move to tactfully handle all issues and control damage.
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
March 2nd, 2011 at 2:32 pm
@praveen saxena
Find one for them of your choice.
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Praveen Saxena Reply:
March 3rd, 2011 at 2:31 pm
Vinod Saab
Maybe not one with a frown but one with a scowl. How about Mayawati ? If she was to be fielded gainst the lady with the frown.
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ram autar says:
March 1, 2011 at 10:31 pm
good article
Lenin used communism to launch world dictatorship of Jews
Finally, the Russian Christian leadership headed by Putin, described as the “scourge of the Jews”, has realised the dangers of the Jewish hoax called communism and decided to bury its founding-father Lenin, after taking out his embalmed body lying in the Moscow Museum. Lenin who died on Jan.21, 1924 led the Communist Revolution of 1917.
HITLER’S HOLOCAUST
This writer also fell victim to marxism and was under its grip for about 20 long years until Dr. Ambedkar gave the answer to cure India’s Brahminical cancer.
In our earlier books, How Marx failed in Hindu India (DSA-1984) and Dilemma of Class & Caste, we had denounced India’s “sacred thread” marxists whom we found more dangerous than the Hindu terrorist party of the Godses. West Bengal and Kerala are the two classic examples to prove how marxism is milking our people dry — keeping the Brahminical rulers in power.
BRAHMIN CONTROL OF MARXISM
Lenin, a Jew, founded the Communist Party, to fight the then Christian rulers of Russia and impose a Jewish dictatorship.
He and his Jewish successors killed more Christians in Russia than Hitler killing Jews in Germany. The Jews then engineered two world wars to destroy the Christian leadership of the West and create a zionist state of Israel.
Marxism promoted Jews in the West and Brahmins in India.
The world took a century to know the truth that communism is a Jewish conspiracy.
We are writing a book itself on this subject to be published from London.
MAO REJECTED JEWS
Lenin selected a Brahmin, M.N. Roy, to start the Communist Party in India and ever since then Brahmins have been controlling the marxist-maoist parties in India. The current Binayak Sen million-dollar drama is part of this conspiracy.
Only China broke away from Jewish stranglehold because its founder, Mao, knew the truth and led the country on the right track to become the world’s No.1 power.
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Vijay Kumar says:
March 2, 2011 at 1:09 pm
@ Praveen,
Hey who is this lady with a permanent frown???? Is it an avatar of Natraj…?
And this best lawyer politician … not Kapil… Dev for sure :) Not the lottery supporting Abhishek… (now what is wrong with a lottery lawyer, as long as the lotterywala is a congressi.. :) But then Jaitley can be called a corporate lawyer, why not Singhvi the lottery lawyer?
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
March 2nd, 2011 at 2:37 pm
@Vijay Kumar
Why are you worried? The BJP has on the JPC the laywer who won the case for Ram Lalla Virajmaan. As for lottery lawyer, see who’s defending the corporate scamsters in the 2G scam. There is jethmalani, mukul rohatgi and the entire jingbang you so dearly love.
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Vijay Kumar Reply:
March 3rd, 2011 at 12:32 pm
@ Vinod ji,
Sir, you know as well as me. That two Congressis– one a lottery wala and another the son of an COngress MP who got SALVA -TION, represented each of the two fueding Amabni brothers and got 15 cr each as fees. Both these lawyers remain friends and can defend opposing sides as long as the jingle of coins and the Number of Gandhi pictures they get on RBI paper is good enough !!! :D
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Praveen Saxena Reply:
March 3rd, 2011 at 2:35 pm
@Vinod Sharma
And if that be the ground of objection what do you say about the best lawyer politician defending tainted SC Judge Ramaswami during his impeachment proceedings. No surprise though , after all the Congress did a great favour to Ramaswami by abstaining.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
March 2nd, 2011 at 2:39 pm
Vijay Kumar,
The congress party has several lawyers,
tu in itscked inside its numerous layers,
as it has many flayers,
and some slayers,
apart from a few players.
But all of them are men of clay,
who, with people’s sentiments play,
on scams their mantra is delay, delay,
and who love to sing ‘o’lay, o’lay.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
March 2nd, 2011 at 5:03 pm
Lady with a permanent frown
also has colour dark brown.
On TV she is full of brawn
wishing that her opponents would drown
in the dark vitriol distilled in her home town.
For tongue-lashing she is well known
always ready with lies home grown
in defence of the scam-tainted crown
and on Modi she goes to town
with three words: down, down, down.
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Praveen Saxena Reply:
March 3rd, 2011 at 11:40 am
Vijay , Shenoy saab has said it all. The story of the lady with the frown and the best lawyer politician who smiles too much….
But now who shall take responsibility for the malafide appointment of CVC.
Is it going to be the PM or the HM.
Who should be held responsible for misguiding the ACC.
Who tried to sabotage and compromise one of the one of the most important public offices of the country.
Will this Sardarji still hold on to his chair with both hands.
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Vijay Kumar Reply:
March 3rd, 2011 at 12:02 pm
@ Shenoy and Praveen,
The Congress MLA from mining belt in Haryana has organised a wedding party and spent 100 crores… I hope the party takes note as it had sniggered at the wedding organised by Gadkari. Maybe the “chumchum and the gulabjamun” this MLA gives to the party will make it too merry to reprove… :D
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
March 3rd, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Praveen Saxena/Vijay Kumar,
I have been saying this from the beginning and I have no hesitation in repeating it, even at the cost of being called a Hindu fundamentalist (which I am most decidedly not): This CVC has been appointed solely at the insistence of Sonia Gandhi and solely on the consideration of his being a Christian. If it were not so, he would long ago have been shown the door/kicked out on the charge of concealing vital information.
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Praveen Saxena Reply:
March 3rd, 2011 at 1:22 pm
Shenoy Saab
I never disagreed with you.But sadly the way electoral politics works , the political adavantages of batting for Thomas , in Kerala , may still work in favour of the Congress. Who is the loser ? Not Sonia Gandhi. To some extent , the Congress , but the biggest loser has been Sardarji. It is the sardarji’s love for that chair which is going to do him in.
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Rajiv says:
March 3, 2011 at 4:03 am
Its interesting to see some of the changes this blog has undergone.
One positive thing is that I do not have to suffer meaningless, foolish statements about promoting India-Pak friendship from Mr Sharma, as if that was something that has not being tried by India for last 60 years , with extremely damaging results for India.
Complete dis-engagement from Pak is the only rational option under the current character of the Pak state. If the vile and treacherous nature of the Pak state changes then India’s policy can be changed too.
Meanwhile I would advise every country, particularly USA and India about dealing with Pakistan.
If you treat Pak state as a civil entity, it will defraud and bite you, if you treat it like a stray dog, it will serve and bark for you.
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Pankaj#1 Reply:
March 3rd, 2011 at 8:48 am
Yes, I have also seen change here. It seems, GOI and HT. has washed its hands off Raja. Vinod is no longer defending Raja and obfuscating issues.
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Vijay Kumar says:
March 3, 2011 at 12:26 pm
~ ~~~~~~ LET US ALL SHED A TEAR FOR HUMANITY ~~~~~ ~
As Pakistan sinks further into a morass of lies, deceit and murder, let us shed a tear in the memory of Shahbaz Bhatti, its Minister of Minorities who was assasinated by the Imran Khan backed Taliban and the ISI.
All for opposing blasphemy and apostasy laws. No one of any repute or power in Pakisan will vocifeously condemn this. And neither will be the so called friends of Pakistan, in India. Instead and indeirect blame will be thrown on all– that unless you angage Pakistan and give it more aid, this will happen.
Let the world and especially Indians, remember. That we ae living next to a culture and an entity, which is like a mad rotweiler. Treat and observe it with care.
This is what Nadeem Paracha, one of the few gutsy and intelligent Pakistanis had to say
“… For years a convoluted narrative has been circulated by the state, the clergy, schools and now the electronic media: i.e. Pakistan was created in the name of Islam (read, a theocratic state). Thus, only Muslims (mainly orthodox Sunnis) have the right to rule, run and benefit from this country. ‘Minority’ religions and ‘heretical Islamic sects’, who are citizens of Pakistan are not to be trusted. They need to be isolated constitutionally, socially and culturally….”
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ishwar says:
March 3, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Sharma Ji,
Khush to bahut hoge aaj aap.
Sonia Gandhi ko 2 thappar pade hain – CVC case mein aur black money case mein.
Main bhi bahut khush hu. Isliye socha apko bhi badhayee de dun.
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
March 3, 2011 at 8:07 pm
Vijay,
This should surely cheer you up..
http://www.mid-day.com/news/2011/mar/030311-news-delhi-Arundhati-Roy-artist-paints-nude-painting-with-Osama.htm [Click to see nuggets from this page]
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Rajiv Reply:
March 4th, 2011 at 12:43 am
Well the painter is certainly informed and has got his facts right.
“Osama, A Roy and Mao is a 3-some enactment.”
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vijay Kumar Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 10:46 am
@ Rajiv and Rajeev,
Some would say that the painter is taking is misusing his artistic licence… but then Arundahti also misuses her writer’s ‘licence” for insulting India by justifying the killings by LeT and Maoists…
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ishwar says:
March 3, 2011 at 11:10 pm
Mr. Sharma,
Headline from the HT today:
CVC Thomas’ appointment an ‘error’ but PM, PC won’t resign: Congress
Defend this arguement and I’d vote for Congress all my life.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
March 4th, 2011 at 10:47 am
Ishwar,
Here are a few headlines from other papers:
Nowhere to Hide, congress says an error………………………Indian Express.
SC evicts Thomas as CVC, Shames Govt………………………Times Of India
Supreme Court strikes down Thomas appointment as CVC
In a major blow to the Centre…………………………………………..The Hindu.
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Praveen Saxena Reply:
March 4th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Shenoy Saab
There is another Headline today.
” CVC P J Thomas to challenge SC Order”
Wonder which court ? Oops sorry , yes there is a higher court for him ; the court of highest jurisdiction ; the court of Sonia Gandhi.
The court clerk is Manmohan Singh who has to call out the cases and then sit quitely to record the Order.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
March 4th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
Praveen Saxenaji,
From coalition dharma, under which he was supposed to maintain Maun, our Maun Mahan Singh seems to have switched over to coalition drama. It has now come out, rather too late in the day, that all the three candidates in the panel for the CVC selection were candidates put up by the DMK.
What a colossal fraud!!
What a humbug, what a sham selection!!
There is a scam even in the preparation of the CVC panel!!!
Instead of being above suspicion, Caesar’s wife has gone under the carpet and his concubine is ruling the roost.
(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
March 4th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
@ Mr. Shenoy
@ Mr.Praveen Saxena
All said and done, can you gentlemen enlighten me about the compulsions of Dr. Manmohan Singh to appoint Mr. Thomas as CVC? He and the HM could not wait even for 24 hours to confirm the objections raised by one of the panelists in the selection committee. I am sure the PM and HM were not so naive enough to be not knowing the background of Mr. Thomas as every one else knew it. Was it a pressure of corporate or Madam Sonia Gandhi to get along with this appointment as fast as possible?
Now at the moment even the PM and the HM must be cursing only themselves for that wretched moment they went ahead with Mr. Thomas. Now Mr. Thomas instead of helping his benefactors has only worked hard to embarrass the persons who had gone out of way to appoint him. He is now only asking for more trouble as he is contemplating filing a review petition in the apex court. So more embarrassment and trouble for the PM and HM if he indeed goes ahead with his plans. One hardly needs any enemies if you have friends like Mr. Thomas.
BNA
Praveen Saxena Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
Anand Saab
I think it would have been better if we put your query to the advocates of Manmohan Singh, purporting to be the PM of India. But nevetheless we may make an attempt. Shenoy Saab has given sufficient indication of that in his post. As for me , I saw a political motive also , and that was the Christian Votes in Kerala .
To me, Manmohan Singh today , comes across as a shameless person who has sold his soul to Sonia Gandhi only to adorn that chair. Gone are the days when I could say ” No No personally he is a good man , but it is Sonia Gnadhi and the Congress Party which is making him do all wrong things. “
V.K.CHAWLA Reply:
March 7th, 2011 at 12:19 am
HE HAS THE RIGHT TO CHALLENGE THE SC ORDER OF HIS SELECTION AS CVC BY PETITONING TO SC FOR REVIEW HIS CASE WITH A LARGE BENCH OF SC JUDGES . ACTUALLY HE GOT CAUGHT BETWEEN FOOLISHNESS OF KARUNAKARAN’s POLITICAL JINGOINISM WHICH HE DOES BY SOMERSAULTING BEFORE SC BY GETTING STAY OF CHARGESHEET & THEN ALL SAT THROUGH , INSTEAD OF MAKING SOME AMENDS . THE CHARGESHEET REMAINED ALIVE WITH SC STAYING THE PROCEEDINGS IN LOWER COURT . END RESULT OF ALL THIS NONSENSE DRAMA WAS ULTIMATELY ENDED IN SC WITH THEIR RULING OUT THE UNFAIR SELECTION OF CVC BY MANNU BHAI & CHIDU BHAI UNDER THE COMMAND OF SOMEBODY MORE FOOLISH . WHO IS THIS FOOLISH PERSON , IS TO BE FOUND BY ONE & ALL IN THIS COUNTRY or WAIT FOR THE STATEMENT OF MANNU BHAI IN PARLIAMENT . WILL HE TAKES THE NAME OF THAT PERSON WHO HAS SUGGESTED THE NAME OF THOMAS AS CVC OR HE WILL GIVE HIS STATEMENT IN A DITHERING VOICE , MAKING A FOOL OF HIMSELF ONCE AGAIN .WAIT & WATCH , FOR ANOTHER 12 Hrs.
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Rajiv says:
March 4, 2011 at 7:06 am
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US Senator Bob Corker, gets it..
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Regarding Pakistan duplicitous and treacherous behaviour, it looks like influential Republican Senator, Bob Corker, gets it. Read his statement carefully.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=201134 [Click to see nuggets from this page] \story_4-3-2011_pg7_38
Corker, who recently travelled to the area, said at a hearing of the committee that “in order to maintain appropriate relations, I will not publicly articulate my feelings after meeting with the leaders” in Pakistan. But he added Pakistan was “the most disheartening place in the world to be, when you are talking about the type of relationship that we have.” Corker said the relationship was basically ‘transactional’, but “our side of the transaction is the only side that to me is being fulfilled. I think that in many ways we get played like a piece of music.” He would be “very slow to talk about additional funding (for Pakistan) until we see a different behaviour pattern.” “It is hugely disheartening to see what we are doing in Afghanistan taking place knowing that the centre of it all is really in Pakistan,” Corker said. “And there’s no real effort to deal with it on their part.”
The question is will US policy change ?
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Pankaj#1 says:
March 4, 2011 at 7:23 am
Really, I would like to engage with people like Vinod, Digvijay, Manishanksr et al. where you are hiding?
Trying to build guilt complex with shishu mandir like comments? Think you know it all ? rest are primitives? No Sir, it is obvious that you were feathering, just, your nest and reality is far from what you are trying to project.
In Modi’s Gujrat, Muslim maphia eliminated and now ordinary muslims are praising Modi. what your congress nurtured, was height of communalism, for vote bank. Shame on people of your ilk. Crying wolf, wolf of communalism, Digvijay and comapny are real communalists. for sure.
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jon chang says:
March 4, 2011 at 8:55 am
This government has made a long list of questionable appointments. The corrupt Navin Chawla was made EC despite all opposition; look at who they made president after the immensely popular Kalam; they made the guy who presided over 2G scam the CVC; they made a questionable character the head of NHRC.
Who knows how they gave away seats on minority commission…
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B.V.SHENOY says:
March 4, 2011 at 7:25 pm
Dr. Anand,
Perhaps, the Manmohan Singh of pre-UPA days would have politely said no to Sonia Gandhi’s pressure tactics. But, after becoming the PM, he has lost the most precious acquisition of any administrator- professional integrity and conscience. Which is why he nowadays succumbs to pressure and blackmail regularly and creates messy situations, like the CVC issue.
I have no doubt in my mind that it is the church which is behind the Thomas fiasco, because of which India has lost face the world over.
The crux of the matter is that despite pretending to be an Indian for more than four decades, Sonia Gandhi has not been able to grasp the essence of India’s culture and has failed to see the beauty of India’a soul. This is her undoing and will, before long, totally discredit her.
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Pankaj#1 says:
March 5, 2011 at 1:40 am
Recently read that Raja may be charged with conspiring with firms, with possible relationship to companies inimical to India. This has been pointed out by many bloggers before, but sharmaji, kept on defending Raja and company by diluting his transgressions and highlighting yeddyruppa. was it deliberate? or erroe of judgement? do not know. No statement from Diggi Raja since long? where he has gone? hiding in shame, but that is not his nature.
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vijay Kumar says:
March 5, 2011 at 10:57 am
@ Vinod SHarma
Yesterday the moronic Mani Shankar Aiyar was on CNN IBN gloating that Mr Q was free… Free FREE as a bird !! :) :)
Last time Mr Aiyar did this, the Congress lost 1989. And Now Digivijay and Aiyar– the spin twins– are going to toss Congress to the dustbin of history!! :D :D :D
I think the opposition should profusely thank these two jokers, when they win !! :) :) :)
PS : Can anybody actually clarify that these two spin twin doctors are actually BJP double agents who are covertly making the COngress lose credibility??? :D
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MBHAGAWAT [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
March 5, 2011 at 1:12 pm
BJP D4 HAD MADE IT A PARTY OF SCOUNDRELS WHICH IT IS GOING DOWN AND COUNTRY IS IN LIMBO.IF WE WOULD HAVE A EFFECTIVE OPPN WE WOULDNOT HAVE HUMILIATED BY CONGRESS.THE COUNTRY IS PASSING THROUGH GRAVE CRISIS.IF BJP WOULDNOT HAVE STRONG AND EFFICIENT LEADER TO LEAD COUNTRY WILL GO TO DOGS AS IT IS.WE NEED STRONG LEADERS WHO CAN CHALLENGE CONGRESS WITH HEADS ON AND WITH OFFENSIVE.BUT ONE DAY LKA APOLOGISED TO SG AND NEXT DAY SS SAYS ENOUGH IS ENOUGH WHEN PM CONFESSED AND ACCEPTED ALL RESPONSIBILITY FOR FIASCO IN CVC APPOINTMENT.ONE DAY SS SASY TAHTSHE WOULD FILE AFFIDAVIT IN SC BUT NEXT DAY DECLINES.SO IS IT A PARTY OF NATIONAL STATURE OR DEMOGAGUES OR FLATTERERS.JO DAR GAYA SO MAR GAYA.SS LKS DIED .RIP.
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Rajiv says:
March 6, 2011 at 9:27 am
Must read…
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Godhra : What the special court judge found..
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http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article1513008.ece?homepage=true [Click to see nuggets from this page]
The special fast track court, which tried the Godhra train carnage case, was in agreement with the prosecution that a large number of local Muslims did gather “within minutes” of stopping the Sabarmati Express on the outskirts of the railway station on February 27, 2002, and they had stocks of petrol with them.
Additional sessions judge P.R. Patel held 31 persons guilty of a “pre-planned conspiracy” and setting fire to coach S-6. In the incident, 59 people, mostly Vishwa Hindu Parishad kar sevaks, were killed. Of the 31 found guilty, the court sentenced to death 11 convicts, particularly those it believed were present at a meeting, held the previous night, where a conspiracy was hatched, and those who, it agreed, had actually entered the coach and poured petrol before setting it afire. The other 20 convicts were sentenced to life imprisonment.
According to some of the observations made by the judge, the court believed that had there been no pre-planned conspiracy, “it would not have been possible to gather Muslim persons with deadly weapons within five to six minutes and reach near “A” cabin on the railway track” after the train was made to stop by chain pulling a second time.
The judge also accepted the prosecution theory of the perpetrators having collected petrol the previous night, after the meeting at the Aman Guest House. Had petrol not been kept ready in loose form in carboys the previous night near Aman Guest House, “it would not have been possible to reach with carboys containing petrol in a huge quantity immediately, that is within 5 to 10 minutes, near coach S-6.”
Taking the conspiracy theory forward, the court maintained that it was not a random attack on S-6, but was specifically targeted at the kar sevaks. “The target of the assailants were not all passengers of this train or any other train or any other Hindus, but definitely the kar sevaks who were travelling in this train,” the judge wrote in his 826-page judgment.
“Shouting of slogans by the assailants and announcement over a loudspeaker from a nearby mosque also clearly suggest motive and pre-plan.” The judge disagreed with the defence submission that the attack could be “reactions” to the alleged “misbehaviour” by the kar sevaks with some Muslims on the Godhra station platform, pointing out that skirmishes had taken place earlier at other railway stations too but there was no such violent reaction. “That the quarrel took place on the platform or misbehaviour with Muslim girls by kar sevaks was the only the cause for spontaneous reactions can never be accepted because as per the evidence on record, such quarrel had also taken place earlier at the Rudroli station in Uttar Pradesh, and at the Dahod station in Gujarat. However, it did not result in such serious reactions,” the court observed.
“Taking advantage of the alleged misbehaviour by kar sevaks with Muslim girls, the absconding accused Salim Panwala and accused Mehboob Ahmed alias Latiko raised shouts, called Muslim people from the nearby area of Signal Falia, misleading [them] that kar sevaks were abducting Muslim girl from inside the train, and also instructed [them] to stop the train by pulling the chain,” the judgement said. “Immediately a mob of more than 900 Muslim people attacked the train with sticks, iron pipes, iron rods, dhariyas, guptis, acid bulbs, burning rags, and the crowd was instigated by announcements over loudspeakers from the nearby Ali Masjid.”
The judge also said “by creating such tense atmosphere, the passengers were prevented from jumping out of the train.”
The judge went into the history of Godhra and the communal situation in the central Gujarat town, where the population between the two communities was almost equally divided. “Godhra is known for its history of communal riots. For Godhra, this is not the first incident of burning alive innocent persons belonging to the Hindu community,” he said. He quoted some 10 incidents of communal clashes in Godhra between 1965 and 1992, and said during many riots Hindus were “burnt alive and shops and houses came to be destroyed by fire.”
Going into the technicalities of the offence to constitute a “criminal conspiracy,” the judge said a “criminal conspiracy is complete as soon as two or more persons agree to do or cause to be done an illegal act. It is immaterial whether the illegal act was the ultimate object of such an agreement or was merely incidental to that object. The agreement in itself is enough to constitute the offence.”
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Its important that people like Digvijay, communal Antulay, duplicitous Sonia, Rahul and communal/psuedo secular journalists , read the courts findings and stop misleading propoganda.
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B.V.SHENOY says:
March 6, 2011 at 11:25 am
Dear friends,
It is two weeks since we heard anything from Shri Vinod Sharma. His blog has fallen silent. He has stopped responding to opinions, criticisms, attacks, insinuations, innuendo and even praise, rare as it is. This has given rise to several questions.
Has the steep slide in the fortunes of this congress governmant and the party affected Sharma so badly that he is in no mood to visit his blog as often as he used to, earlier?
Has his readership been overly critical of his worshipful bias for the congress party and the Roman Empress?
Has he been struck by the “writer’s block”?
Is he fed up with the increasing demands ostensibly made on his writing and debating “skills” made by the party he loves to hate and the leader he loves to love, particularly now when the party and the leader are slipping into a bottomless pit of corruption, misgovernance and curse of the Hindu wrath?
Whatever it is, it is time for Shri Sharma to come clean and “appear before the jury” with a convincing explanation.
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(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
March 6th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
@Mr. Shenoy
Sir
I am also wondering as to the reason of Mr. Sharma being silent ever since the CVC verdict was delivered by the apex court. What to speak of we people, even tv anchors were complaining to the fact that none of the congress leaders were responding to their invitations for a discussion on the current issues. I believe that is understandable. How they could justify and defend some one which is embarrassing not to the party alone but is a big personal snub tp the PM also. However these congress leaders must be busy digging out some of the weak points of BJP , especially of Mr. Yeddiruppa. I am sure these people will come back once the heat of these issues has cooled down. But their being silent for once and be not able to face the public in itself is very unusuall and rare.
BNA
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
March 6th, 2011 at 7:50 pm
Dr.Anand,
you are right there.
Even the acceptance of responsibility by MMS was, if you have watched the Tv, strained and forced out very unwillingly and agitatedly. MMS is today one hell of a confused man.
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(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
March 7th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
@ Mr. Shenoy
Sir
You said MMS is today one hell of a confused man—–
let me complete ( if you allow)
“and a lonely person”
BNA
B.V.SHENOY Reply:
March 7th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
Dr. Anand,
If you allow me, a lay man, to do a bit of psycho-analysis, MMS is under tremendous psychological pressure, because all the political reverses he is facing is for the first time and to me he appears to be cracking under the strain. As you know, he is not the thick-barked politician, who can weather any psunami and come up tops. My fear is that if he doesn’t resign soon, he may become a psychological wreck. It was clearly written on his face when he faced the TV cameras in Jammu.
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Vijay Kumar says:
March 6, 2011 at 12:33 pm
@ Shenoy,
I am equally worried !! Where has Vinodji disappeared….?
Should we inform the “Gumshuda department ” of the police ? Or issue a hue and cry notice…?
Is it because of a tiff he had with Arnab on TV??
Or is it because the current plunging fortunes of the Congress our dear Vinodji has gone into remorse… or maybe he is enjoying himself in a bar in Berlin..:D
Whatever it is, I hope his current actvities can pass the censor board !!! :D :D !!!
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
March 6th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
Vijay Kumar,
The most charitable explanation for this rather unusual quietude on his part may be because he is immersed upto his ears in the work of NCM.
On a practical level, however, the official spokespersons have become uncharacteristically “naram”, exhausted and prone to call “sick” whenever called to defend Manmohan Singh, particularly after the Thomas mess. And Vinodji must be under great pressure to appear more and more on TV defending the indefensible, which, beyond a point, even he cannot do. Therefore, I guess he has gone to a place where the TV cameras cannot reach him for his ‘reactions and comments’.
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Saarthak [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
March 7th, 2011 at 4:08 am
Greetings to Rajiv, BV Shenoy, Vijay Kumar, (Dr.) B.N.Anand. Just want to say I visit Vinodji’s blog to mainly read your comments below his increasingly ridiculous posts. Your mini blogs if I may call them are so much more honest, witty, articulate and interesting. Thank you for your wonderful efforts!
Would love to see your reactions on this propaganda piece from Pankaj Vohra: http://www.hindustantimes.com/PM-redeems-his-image/Article1-670253.aspx [Click to see nuggets from this page]
According to Pankaj the PM has “redeemed his image” by accepting responsibility for the CVC mess. Funny isn’t it? The comments below his column are much more readable!
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sarvesh Reply:
March 7th, 2011 at 10:05 am
Indeed, I am also a regular visitor of Vinodji’s blog but what brings me here time and again is the insightfuland humorous comments by B.V. Shenoy, Vijay Kumar, Dr. BN Anand etc. I would like to thank them for their valuable efforts to counter the Shramaji’s Bhaktiful blogs in support of corrupt UPA government.
B.V.SHENOY Reply:
March 7th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
Dear Saarthak/Sarvesh,
Here is my reply to Shri Vohra, sent by e-mail:
Dear Shri Vohra,
It seems to me that you were in a tearing hurry to give ’shabaash’ to the beleagured Manmohan Singh, even before “experts” analysed his vague, partial ‘mea culpa’ given in response to a reporter. The matter is so big and the SC judgement on it too is so momentous, that a mere “I accept my responsibility’ will hardly suffice. It doesn’t give reasons why he HAD TO FORCE THE TAINTED THOMAS DOWN THE THROAT OF THE NATION in such a brazen manner. He has also to reply to Arun Jaitley’s questions whether he was misled or he allowed himself to be misled. Besides, it is pertinent to note here that this Thomas chap was earlier brought to Delhi by breraking quite a few norms and rules. He was also given, earlier, a clean chit by the vigilance commission. The very troubling question of why the topmost bureaucracy colluded with the PM/HM panel to falsify the records, hiding the pending chargesheet, etc. also needs to be answered by the PM and PM only.
Since you have brought in the irrelevant matter of Narasimha Rao not accepting his responsibility for the demolition of the Babri Masjid (what a far fetched idea, Sirjee!), I may mention here, if you have chosen to forget them, a few cases, where apologies and amends were due to the nation as a whole and not only to the Muslim community as in the case of Babri Masjid:
1 Jawaharlal Nehru didn’t ever tender an apology ( he also never accepted his blunder) to the nation for surrendering a third of the landmass of the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir to Pakistan in 1948. It was, literally, a Himalayan blunder, yet till his death or any time thereafter the congress never accepted the blunder.
2. Indira Gandhi, after winning the 1971 war against Pakistan, failed to get even 5% of the advantage a victor extracts from the vanquished. Yet, till her death she never accepted failure of her defence and foreign policies and apologised to the nation.
3. Indira Gandhi had the Golden Temple destroyed by the army’s tanks and bull dozers and though it was a gigantic, sacrilegious blunder for which she paid the price with her life, It took several years for the congress party to offer a rather contrived apology to the Sikh community.
3. The congress party is yet to apologise to the same community for the anti-Sikh pogrom Rajiv Gandhi carried out in 1984.
Vijay Kumar Reply:
March 7th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
Thank you Sarthak and Sarvesh !
We need to make this blog a rip roaring roller coaster and enjoyable… :)
And we still need the primary father of this blog, Vinod Sharma, to light the fire of a good fight. SO even if we disagree with him most of the time, we still need him around…
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Vijay Kumar says:
March 6, 2011 at 4:24 pm
~~~ :( :( ~~ THE BIG DANGER AROUND THE CORNER~~ :( :(~~~
What if Manmohan SIngh resigns and some moron like Digvijay or Aiyar becomes PM?????
Manmohan SIngh may resign in case he is not allowed to take action against the corrupt in the UPA as he does not want to end his reing with a personal corruption charge. The shouting brigade in the Congress may blind the Rajmata and the Yuvraj to dump him and push the blame of thousands of crores loot on him.
Then, comes in the big danger. The COngress will look for yes men without a base.
And there are three possibilities
a) Chidabaran. NO base. But then they won’t let him get the seat as he can become indepndent.
b) Pranabda. Age is on his side as he will keep the seat warm for the Yuvraj. But he believes he has a base.
c) Digvijay Singh. Horrible choice. Since he has tried to absolve, terrorists, the royal family may feel he has a base.
d) Mani buffoon AIyar. Possible as he has no base and feet touching loyalty. THe most disastarous possibility who can ruin a functioning nation as he did the CWG and create a confrontation everywhere. Only fellow stephanian or a failed IAS aspirant — who did not get in– is impressed by his English… :) :D
BIG BIG DANGER EVERYWHERE…..
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Praveen Saxena Reply:
March 7th, 2011 at 11:07 am
@Vijay
Since quite a few of us are missing Mr Vinod Sharma , and he appears to be too pre-occupied with ,matters more presssing, the burden lies on our shoulders to keep his flag flying. To start with Vijay , I propose you may start responding to the posts on his behalf.
It would be interesting to see how well you can capture his mind , langauage and idiom ?
The new post
Varun Gandhi and Yamini Roy got married at Varanasi . Congratulations to them. The grrom wore dhoti kurta. and the bride wore a Banarsi sari.
When his elder cousin gets married and we shall all congratulate the couple , with one small difference , the groom and the bride would both be wearing the dhoti kurta ?
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
March 7th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
Praveen Saxenaji,
This is an 8″-below-the-belt hit to Rahul Gandhi and will surely invite a manly reponse from Shri Vinod Sharma/Digvijay Singh and rest of the babalog. Keep the barbs dipped in poison and ready.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
March 7th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Saxenaji,
Rahul would have danced with acute pain (you know why) and sung this gaana:
meraa bhai banaa hai dulhaa aur phuul khile hai.n dil ke
arey merii bhii shaadii ho jaaye, duaa karo sab mil ke
ai mere maalik, mere daataa, mere paalanahaaraa
Bhai ko tuune dulhan de dii rah gayaa mai.n hii ku.Nvaaraa
mujh ko bhii merii dulhan/dulha de de mai.n bhii hasuu.N khil khil ke
Praveen Saxena Reply:
March 7th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
Shenoy Saab
None can surpass you.
Now Vijay has more posts to respond to.
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Vijay Kumar says:
March 7, 2011 at 3:49 pm
~~~~:( :( :( (((( DANGER ! ))) ((((( ONE MILLION VOLT SHOCK POSSIBLE ))))) :( :(:( ~~~~`
I think all dynasties all over the world should take notice!!
What has happened in the Middle East is a warning that OLIGARCHS and KINGS and DYNASTIC succesionists are no longer tolerated!!!
While India has been ahead of most countries in remaining a democracy, we have created a system where the sons and daughters claim the “gaddi’ just because they are sons or daughters.
We have a long list of MUMMY and PAPA MP’s ! :)
Right from the Gandhy dynasty to Mulayam, Pawar, YSR, Naidu… this malaise cuts across all parties! But what has happened to Mubarak and Gadaffi should be studied by all…
Vinodji can you have a very important blog on this????????????????????????????????????//
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
March 7th, 2011 at 7:06 pm
Dear blogmates,
I haven’t run away anywhere. I am very much here but shall be interacting with you only after a gap. The month of March hasn’t been kind to me since 2005 when a major tragedy hit me and my family. So bear with me
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
March 7th, 2011 at 9:17 pm
Dear Vinodji,
none of us had any inkling of what might have kept you away for so long, particularly when so many earth-shaking things were happening. If any of us has hurt your feelings, we are sorry and we want to assure you that we share your grief, even from a distance.
Here is a song (it is actually beautiful poetry) from the old picture Inspector, which will do a world of good for your “dil”. Please listen to it:
दिल छेड़ कोई ऐसा नग़मा
गीतों में ज़माना खो जाए
दिल छेड़ कोई ऐसा नग़मा
ये आह मेरी दुनिया के लिए -२
ख़ुशियों का तराना हो जाए
दिल छेड़ कोई ऐसा नग़मा
(आवाज़ मेरे टूटे दिल की
दुनिया के दिलों को तड़पा दे) -२
पत्थर का जिगर भी सुनके जिसे
एक बार तो पानी हो जाए
दिल छेड़ कोई ऐसा नग़मा
हाय, जिसने हमें यह दर्द दिया -२
हम उसको दुआएं देते हैं
ये दर्द दवा बन जाएगा
एक दिन जो पुराना हो जाए
दिल छेड़ कोई ऐसा नग़मा
(है तुझको क़सम ऐ दिल की ज्वलन
आँखों में न आँसू आजाएं) -२
ऐसा न हो तेरे रोने से
महफ़िल में तमाशा हो जाए
दिल छेड़ कोई ऐसा नग़मा
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Caged innocence: Aseemanand shows the Hindu Path
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I have felt compelled to reproduce this report for a broader debate on an issue that touches the core of our nationhood. It’s my fervent hope the participants will view it without prejudice rather than dismissing it as some “pseudo-secular” lament. These are India’s innocent children jailed for no crime or fault of theirs. Even Swami Aseemanand’s heart melted on being tended by one such victim. If reports in a section of the media are true, that’s what made him confess to crimes for which Kaleem, the Muslim boy he met and grew fond of in prison, was implicated.
The angst and the remorse that drove Aseemanand’s “confessions” epitomize true values and ethos of Hinduism. As a believer, he hasn’t merely accepted his misdoings but shown the courage to face punishment. His penance is a testimony to his remarkable character. Such sense of sacrifice requires saintly qualities. The Swami has showed us the way forward— fissures in the society need healing for a robust national response to terror. Unity is the answer to the challenge, not retributive terror could injure or alienate the innocent who, if denied justice, could be misled into joining the marauders.
The report that I reproduce is prepared by Yoginder Sikand who works with the Centre for the Study of Social Exclusion at the National Law School, Bangalore . It lacks a Hindu right-wing voice. Yet it requires an honest appraisal:
In the wake of startling revelations about the involvement of Hindutva groups in numerous acts of terror across India in recent years, last week a number of human rights organizations jointly held a one-day public meeting in New Delhi under the banner ‘Tracing Sangh Terror Links And Stories Of Innocent Muslim Boys’ to highlight an issue that has hitherto received scant media attention. Several social and political activists gave their testimonies, as did Muslim men and their relatives who have been unfairly targeted by the police for acts of terror in which they had no involvement at all.
In her opening remarks, Mansi Sharma of the well-known human rights group ANHAD recounted chilling details of bomb blasts in various parts of the country that are now known to have been engineered by Hindutva groups. She accused the agencies of the state for going slow on the investigation of such cases, of suppressing vital information about them and of wrongly targeting, arresting and torturing perfectly innocent Muslims for such acts. Many of them still languish in jail without any evidence having been brought against them.
In his remarks, noted human rights activist and former IAS officer Harsh Mander critiqued the ‘global war on terror’ for its underlying assumption that terrorism was linked only to some Muslims, and for prompting governments across the world to introduce laws that clearly violate human rights in the name of combating terrorism. He criticized Indian state agencies for consistently associating the bomb blasts that have taken place in the country in recent years with Muslims alone. Sometimes, within fifteen minutes of a blast, the agencies claim that it was the handiwork of some Muslim terrorist outfit or the other, he remarked, noting that these claims were made as if they were solidly proven facts, rather than speculation. If the agencies that make such claims immediately after such attacks and without proper investigation indeed knew that certain Muslim groups were behind them, why, he asked, did they take no prior action to prevent them? On the other hand, if they did not have any such prior information, then how did they conclude that they were the handiwork of Muslim outfits, sometimes within just fifteen minutes of their taking place? This clearly indicated, Mandar said, that such charges reflected a deeply communal mind-set that automatically associated Muslims with terrorism, even in cases, such as the Mecca Masjid blast in Hyderabad, where the victims were all Muslims, and where Muslims were randomly picked up and thrown into jail and falsely accused. In the wake of recent revelations that Hindutva groups have been behind numerous acts of terror across India, he stressed, this mind-set must change.
Mander indicated the extent to which anti-Muslim prejudice has spread across India, partly because of the tendency, including on the part of agencies of the state, to associate Muslims with all acts of terror while being benignly blind to the involvement of Hindutva forces in terrorism. ‘Every Muslim youth above the age of eighteen has to bear the burden of proving that he is not a terrorist,’ he lamented, adding that it was possible that just about any Muslim could be picked up by the police and falsely accused of being a terrorist. Scores of such cases of extra-judicial arrests have been reported from across the country, he noted. Perfectly innocent Muslim boys have been illegally arrested, tortured and forced to make false confessions of being involved in one act of terror or the other, including blasts which Hindutva groups have been responsible for, he said. In several cases, Mander went on, such boys did not receive justice from the courts, which remained indifferent to the very obvious torture that they had been subjected to. Large numbers of such innocent Muslim youth continue to languish in jail for years, their lives being completely wasted. Their applications for bail have been turned down by the courts. Meanwhile, their families are subject to social boycott, shunned even by their fellow Muslims for fear of being accused of links with alleged terrorists. In several cases, the jailed men were the sole or main bread-earners of their families, and so their families have been reduced to utter penury. In the few cases where such youth have been released after much effort, many of them have lost their jobs and no one is willing to employ them, even though they have been proven to be innocent.
Veteran journalist Seema Mustafa noted that in both Congress- as well as BJP-ruled states, scores of innocent Muslim youth falsely implicated in acts of terror, subjected to horrendous torture and illegally imprisoned. In this matter, she said, there was little difference between the two parties. She expressed her dismay that, barring a few papers and TV channels, this continuing witch-hunt of innocent Muslims in the name of fighting terror has received no media attention at all. Instead, the media focuses only on maulvis and their politicking, as in the case of the ongoing controversy over the rector of the Deoband madrasa, completely ignoring the plight of the oppressed—Muslims, Dalits and others. Rather than raising their voice against injustice, the dominant media, which is now almost fully corporatized, is engaged in what she termed a ‘conspiracy of silence’, acting as a tool to protect the ruling establishment. That, she said, was not the proper role of journalists, for the government has its own ‘propaganda machine’.
Insisting that Hindutva terror was hardly the novel development that some sections of the media are making it out to be, Satya Sivaraman, a Delhi-based social activist, pointed out that as early as 1948, Hindutva terror took the life of Gandhi. ‘There are some things that are so big that they appear invisible, and Hindutva terrorism is one of them,’ he pointed out. Terrorism, he explained, was not just about planting bombs. There was also the phenomenon of ideological terrorism, which the Hindutva camp, that stands for Brahminism and ‘upper’ caste Hindu supremacy, has very sedulously cultivated in all sections of society. The recent Ayodhya judgment, he said, was a clear indication of how deep the ideology of Hindutva has penetrated. He noted that Hindutva spokesmen are on record as declaring their intention of subverting the Indian Constitution, which they regard as the very antithesis of Hindutva. As recent revelations have shown, some Hindutva forces even hoped for a coup to establish what they call a ‘Hindu state’. Such a state, he argued, would spell doom not just for Muslims, but also for other marginalized communities, such as Dalits and Adivasis.
Shabnam Hashmi of ANHAD accused Hindutva forces of being responsible for the burning of a coach of the Sabarmati Express in Godhra in 2002, which then led to the massacre of Muslims across Gujarat. Besides, she also spoke of the involvement of Hindutva forces in numerous bomb blasts across India. She lamented that although ANHAD had been consistently highlighting the phenomenon of Hindutva terror in its numerous meetings for many years now, the media had, by and large, completely ignored this and continues to refuse to recognize what she called the ‘Sanghi terror network’. These Hindutva acts of terror, she went on, were clearly aimed at seeking to wrongly blame Muslims for them, and fomenting anti-Muslim hysteria and promoting the demonization of Muslims. ‘The situation has become so bad that every Muslim mother fears her son might not return home in the evening,’ she said, indicating the possibility of a well-planned conspiracy to make Muslims what she termed ‘permanently second-class citizens in this country.’ She claimed that the RSS and its supporters had infiltrated deep into the agencies of the state, and that this posed a major challenge for the struggle for justice.
Senior leader of the CPI (M), Sitaram Yechury critiqued the tendency to associate terrorism only with some Muslims, and pointed out that Hindutva terrorism, too, was a reality. It was certainly not a new phenomenon, he said, for it went back to the early twentieth century, to people like Hindu Mahasabhite Savarkar (who coined the term “Hindutva”) who advocated what he called the ‘militarisation of Hindudom.’ Likewise, another Hindu Mahasabha leader, BS Moonje, set up the Central Hindu Military Educational Society for the same purpose. All forms of terrorism needed to be attacked, Yechury argued, and if the agencies of the state did not stop targeting one particular community in the name of combating terror, they would, in effect, be promoting terrorism themselves.
Ram Vilas Paswan, President of the Lok Janshakti Party, echoed the views of the other speakers and labeled the RSS as ‘the greatest enemy of the unity of the country’ and called them ‘fake nationalists’. He claimed that the RSS was ‘even more dangerous’ than fringe Islamist outfits like the Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI), and questioned why, when the Government had banned the SIMI, it had not given the RSS and its various outfits the same treatment. He insisted that if the religious minorities were continued to be denied justice, it would prove extremely dangerous for the country. He urged the need for combating what he called the ‘anti-Muslim mentality’ that has now become so pervasive.
Senior Congress leader Digvijay Singh pressed the need for an ideological struggle against terrorism and communalism, both Hindu and Muslim. Banning organizations were not the solution if they were able to resurface under new names, he said. Whenever the BJP is weak, it at once raises communal issues, he explained. Hindutva forces talk of building a temple only on a spot that is disputed, and of unfurling the tricolor flag where there is a dispute, as in the Hubli Eidgah, but in their own homes they unfurl the saffron flag, he alleged. He spoke of the continued targeting of innocent Muslim youth in the name of combatting terrorism, and indicated that this was a very dangerous trend. Many of them had dozens of fake cases slapped on them, filed in different states simply to harass them. In some cases, lawyers fighting their cases have been badly beaten up, he noted.
Singh spoke of some Hindutva terrorists who, he said, were employed in the Saraswati Shishu Mandir schools run by the RSS. He also provided evidence of the involvement of Hindutva groups in numerous bomb blasts, including in his own state of Madhya Pradesh. Many of those involved in plotting blasts had fled to Gujarat for safety, he said.
Noted human rights activist Subhash Gatade, who has uncovered several cases of Hindutva terror, spoke of how the government apparatus and the media continue to be soft on the phenomenon. Another intrepid activist, Suresh Khairnar, who has been consistently highlighting clear evidence of Hindutva terror for many years, lambasted the media for ignoring the issue. Numerous papers, he said, had falsely accused Muslims of being involved in specific incidents of terror, but when evidence was later unearthed clearly proving them to be the handiwork of Hindutva forces, these papers, even when approached by aggrieved Muslims and secular human rights activists, refused to issue an apology. Anti-Muslim poison, he said, was being actively spread through the media, but yet the state has taken no action against it. ‘All sections of the administration have become thoroughly communalised’, he continued, expressing his skepticism that the Congress would sincerely take up the issue of Hindutva terrorism, for the party’s secular credentials, he said, were ‘doubtful’.
The well-known legal activist Prashant Bhushan pointed out that in almost all cases of terror acts, innocent people, mostly Muslims, have been arrested by the police. Even in cases such as the Mecca Masjid (Hyderabad), Malegaon, Ajmer and Samjhauta Express blasts, which are now said to have been the handiwork of Hindutva forces, large numbers of innocent Muslims, accused by the police of being involved, continue to languish in prison. The media continues to remain indifferent to their plight. The police, for its part, he said, was ‘extremely communalized’, and deeply anti-Muslim, which explained why many policemen had no qualms at all about falsely implicating innocent Muslims in terror cases. Communalisation, Bhushan claimed, had even affected the courts. He argued for the need for the state to recruit only such people as police officers and judges who were not communal, and who had not been members of any communal organization.
Journalist Amit Sengupta of Hard News spoke of how, in the ‘neo-liberal’ dispensation under which we live today, in a country where, according to him, 78% of its people live on under 20 rupees a day, Hindutva terrorists were being feted as valiant heroes by their ardent supporters, while a man like Binayak Sen, who has peacefully served impoverished people by providing them medical aid, has been branded as a Naxalite and served with a sentence of life imprisonment. ‘What is the message that the government is giving the people?’, he asked in anguish, pointing out while agencies of the state go about killing social activists championing the cause of the poor in the name of combating Naxalism and imprison and kill innocent Muslims with impunity in the guise of combating terrorism, a mass murderer remains the Chief Minister of a state and Hindutva terrorists remain largely untouched.
Ashish Khetan, a journalist researching cases of terrorism, argued that ‘jihadist’ and ‘saffron’ terror were deeply intertwined, that they fed on each other, and that they could not be understood apart from each other. He claimed that a section of the RSS had taken to terrorism in recent years, being involved in bomb blasts in various parts of India. He also noted that a very small number of Muslims have also been involved in terror activities. Based on his travels and investigations, he said, these Muslims felt impelled to resort to such acts for broadly four reasons: the destruction of the Babri Masjid; the anti-Muslim pogrom in Gujarat; the anti-Muslim bias of the police; and the complete failure of the criminal justice system.
Noted social activist Farah Naqvi spoke of how efforts on the part of Muslims to mobilize for their rights, including simply for civil amenities in their localities, were often loudly denounced as a menacing threat, and that those who sought to raise Muslim concerns, even on developmental issues, could easily face the risk of being thrown into jail. Hence, they were often forced to remain silent, which simply meant that they were forced to suffer their poverty and the denial of the facilities that they were entitled to as citizens of India. Muslim deprivation across India, she said, had much to do with this predicament. Muslims in large parts of India, Naqvi said, continued to live under the ever-present fear of being arrested by the police. She argued that it was unreasonable to expect Muslims to develop if they continue to face insecurity and be denied justice and security.
All in all, then, a very grim picture that can no longer be denied by anyone concerned about the way this country is heading.
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 10, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Mr.Sharma has confessed that he disrespected his parents because they could not adjust with his wife and his congressim.
WHat a lowlife?
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Jao bhai Shrawan ki katha karo aur apeny pap dholo. I will keep asking you whether you call ur dad Buddha till you get a certificate from him. You haven’t yet told me in which home for elders have you dumped the unfortunate man with an aaulad like you.
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
Why would I call my father Buddha as he is not morally corrupt like you.
You got my answer. You look like old mature person but your behaviour on TV and on blogs make you seem like gali ka launda but as you are not a gali ka launda, I’ll call you senile Buddha.
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AJ Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 10:52 pm
@ Rajeev
Please let us not drag in our parents in the debate.
@Vinod Sharma
Dont u think u have had a good career as a journalist. today after so many years of being a journalist u have to remind people on national television that u are one.i dont understand y would a person defend the corrupt? i dont question ur integrity but y would u want to defend corrupt unless u are not hand in gloves with them?
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
AJ,
I called Vinod Sharma ‘Buddha’ and he dragged his parents into it. If calling someone OLD MAN is OK, so should be Buddha.
He has used choicest abuses for everyone who doesn’t approve of his Sonia-Puja. He is basically misguided OLD MAN.
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AJ Reply:
February 13th, 2011 at 11:13 am
@Vinod Sharma.
Hey one suggestion…Y dont u change the name of your paper to “CONGRESS TIMES” OR ” RAHUL TIMES” OR “SONIA TIMES.”
what a pity.nowadays u appear on Tv just to make fun of yourself.How does it feel after having a good career?
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 10, 2011 at 9:06 pm
Mr.Sharma has great future in Congress as he has already started polishing Rahul’s shoes and doing his dishes.
Well done..Maa-Baap ko Bhula diya aur Gairon ki khidmat kar rahein hein…
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ram autar says:
February 10, 2011 at 9:40 pm
i have seen lot of brhmncl jokers saving the modi.he is part of big plan,
SECRET OF BRAHMINIST RULE OVER INDIA
Keep Bahujans starved by diverting funds to war & violence
OUR CORRESPONDENT
Bangalore: The world has just learnt the official announcement of China becoming the world’s second most powerful economy, overtaking Japan. But the Hindu rulers of India, who have kept the over 85% of its slaves crushed, are least bothered about the failing health of the country. Because they say the country does not belong to them as they are Aryans, aliens and invaders.
They say their job is to rule India at any cost and they have been successfully doing it since centuries.
BAHUJANS HAVE NO ENEMY
In 1962, China crushed India in a border war and even after about 48 years the border dispute remains unsolved. On one side the Indian rulers are spending so much on “defending” Kashmir where the local people are on perpetual revolt. On the other side it is spending its resources on guarding the Himalayan borders against China. And fighting Pakistan.
A major portion of the Indian tax-payers money is being diverted to defence expenditure, further depriving funds meant for the food, clothing and shelter of the 85% indigenous Bahujan have-nots.
OUR MONEY DIVERTED TO WAGE WARS
Since the West, led by its Jewish hate-mongers are against China but chummy with the ruling “Jews of India” it is very difficult to get at the truth in this series of conflicts between India and China, Pakistan, Kashmir.
The native Bahujans are peace-lovers. They are poverty-stricken, illiterate and devoid of health care.
But the ruling micro-minority Brahminists are diverting our money to wage war against the these “enemies”.
Reading between the lines in Western media reports, we were able to make out that China-India relations are as bad as ever — if not deteriorating because India’s policy-making is in the hands of the hate-mongering Brahminists who being “Jews of India” always go hand in hand with their Jewish cousins.
China has patched up its differences with all its neighbours as far as border disputes are concerned — except India. The 4,000 km border between the two is the main bone of contention even after half a century. The border dispute affects pockets in Uttarkhand, Kashmir, Arunachal Pradesh — thousands of miles.
OFFICERS SIPPING WHISKEY
Such a lengthy border is manned by our Bahujan soldiers in freezing cold round the year. The Army bosses, all Aryan upper castes, spend time sipping whiskey in the cosy comforts of army clubs.
Brahminical rulers giving shelter to the hated Tibetan refugee, the Dalai Lama, is the main source of trouble between the two countries.
Whenever the Hindu rulers want to irritate China, they let loose the well-fed Tibetan hounds to attack the Chinese embassy in Delhi despite the embassy enjoying all the diplomatic privilege and protection. The entire police force deployed to “protect” the embassy belongs to our Bahujan Samaj.
DALAI LAMA’S HEINOUS ROLE
As long as this hated Dalai Lama is pampered and protected by the Indian rulers, China will never be ready for any reconciliation with India. Political observers say the Hindu rulers are sheltering the Dalai Lama, a stooge of the West, only to irritate China.
Does it not mean India is deliberately diverting billions and billions of rupees meant for its Bahujan have-nots for border defence? Who asked the rulers to wage war against these countries?
BORDER DISPUTE DELIBERATELY NOT SOLVED
If the rulers are genuinely interested in the well-being of its own population will it divert such huge funds for border defence?
Aryan rulers hate Bahujans and to punish them they play such war games.
The only thing that guides and directs the Indian upper caste rulers is hate. They hate the over 85% oppressed, starving Indians and that is why to keep them permanently under slavery they are not solving the border disputes.
In other words there is no chance of a border settlement with China.
WANTED MORE BOMBS
The Hindu rulers have just pushed through a nuclear deal with US which the observers see as a sign of America trying to use India against China. India became a nuclear power to fight Pakistan. Now it wants more bombs and more powerful ones to face the super power China. That means more money will be diverted to buy bombs.
BRAHMINISTS GAIN IN EVERY WAR
Look at the American hypocrisy. It is against Iran going nuclear but it is giving all-out help to further enhance the capabilities of the already nuclear power (India).
The hate-mongering Jews, after enslaving the White Western Christians, forced the West to attack Islam. Iraq and Afghanistan are pounded. But the West did not win — rather defeated. Their next target is said to be China for which they are using India’s Brahminical rulers.
Having been once defeated, is it ready to face China, now a super power? The Aryan rulers are not bothered.
If there is a war with China or Pakistan those who die in battlefield are our people. The money meant for us will be spent. Both ways the Brahminists stand to gain.
China is fully aware of all these developments and that is why it has encircled the whole of India. All the countries surrounding India have become closest allies of China after Hindu rulers quarrelled with every neighbour.
ITCHING FOR ANOTHER WAR WITH PAKISTAN
Pakistan and “Hindu India” had several wars and Indian rulers are itching for another war. “Hate Muslim” campaign is at its height in India.
Brahminical terrorism led by the Abhinav Bharat is preparing the ground with Israeli funds and weapons.
But China has assured full support. It has become Pakistan’s biggest supplier of defence hardware and fighter planes and guided missiles. And even bomb.
As long as Brahminical rulers continue to hold India’s neck, the Bahujans will be kept at starvation level with war and violence against neighbours always exploding on our face.
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V.K.CHAWLA Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 11:35 pm
IT SEEMS THE WRITER OF THE COMMENTS IS JUST WRITING WITHOUT BOTHERING THE CONTENTS , ITS MEANING . ALL OF COMMENTS ARE ALMOST INANE , SENSELESS . DO WRITE BUT WITH A SENSE OF SUBSTANCE , IN FUTURE SO THAT IF ANY ONE TO READ IT , HE CAN DO IT BUT IN PRESENT FORM OF THE COMMENTS , ONE LOOSES THE TRACK & INTEREST .
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 12:04 am
Mr.Chawla,
This same Ram Autar is ideological ally of Vinod Sharma..Kitne bure din aa gaye hai Mr.Sharma ke.
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ram autar Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 1:42 am
rajeev and chawala ,anti-muslim anti-pakistan hate mongering policy have no taker.people want peace and progress employment.2 crores hindus,victims of brhmnsm are working in muslim countries feeding half india.
vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
Burrey din itney burre lagte hain to papa ko ghar wapas lao bigdey bachchey. Maa Baap ki baddua lagte hai bahut kaske. Ise umar me tumhe pata lag jayega.
Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
Sharmaji,
Exactly same advise to you…Apne Buddhe maa-baap ko ghar wapas lao…sanki buddhe..
vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
@Ram Autar
I regret having misread your first blog that made me side with you. I disagree very strongly with some of your subsequent arguments —- especially the way you are twisting the cause of Dalits through convoluted logic. You are painting all Jews and upper caste Hindus with the same brush, forgetting that Marx, Chomsky were jews and Mahatma Gandhi and Lohia banias.
Pl apply breaks to your incessant, incoherent bombardment.
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Pankaj#1 Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 7:27 pm
Vinodji,
You are right here. I think your endorsement of this criminal has got the goat of most people. nothing has infuriated me more than this nodding at him.
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V.K.CHAWLA Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 11:06 pm
@ VINOD SHARMA ; ‘ SUBHAH KA BHOOLA , SHAM KO WAPIS TO AYYA ; LEKIN AADHA AADHA . THE WRITING OF THIS DISGUSTING FELLOW WITH A NAKLI NAAAM IS A SHAM , INANE , SENSELESS . NO BODY WORTH CAN READ THE NONSENSE . I , FURTHER , DOUBT THAT THE WRITING & WORDING ARE BEING LIFTED FROM SOME SHAM NET NETWORK & IS BEING PRODUCED HERE , BY MIXING VARIOUS NETWORK’S PRODUCTS . IT IS BETTER TO SKIP THIS PERSON’s COMMENTS
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ram autar Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 11:36 pm
mahatma was serving brhmnsm,though he was bania.root of all problems in india.
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hindu militant Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 10:16 pm
@ram avtaar,
I am not a brahmin, and I dont consider dalits and adivasis as inferior, I consider them as my hindu brothers.
I dont care who rules India, dalit or otherwise
BUT at the same time I have unmitigated HATRED for muslims and want to do to them exactly what happened to hindu minority in Pakistan. Incidentally, Dr. Ambedkar also advised the dalits in pakistan to migrate to India during partition.
And if any so-called bahujan samaji comes in between me and muslims I dont mind fighting you also.
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 11, 2011 at 12:53 am
Here a clip from Pakistani film, where Hindus are openly badmouthed…
What Ram Autar and Ravi have to say about their country?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUqcUWtSth8&feature=related [Click to see nuggets from this page]
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ram autar Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 1:36 am
it is part of drama scene like this comes sometimes in indian dramas as well.rss rumour spreading society)catches the high caste youth by showing all this non-sense.
savarkar was homosexual very fond of youths in naicker.
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 3:38 am
Are you confusing Savarkar with Maulana Samy Sandwitch or Mohammad?
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ram autar Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 11:37 pm
Rishis – Born to
8. Vashistar – Urvasi
9. Naradar – Washer woman
10. Kadanasalliyar – Widow
11. Madankar – Cobbler woman
12. Mandaviyar – Frog
13. Kangaeyar – ***
15. Sounagar – Dog
16. Ganathar – Owl
17. Sugar – Paroot
18. Jambuvantar – Bear
19. Aswathaman – Horse
This is the greatness of the Hindu rishis and their births. I think the people of the Barbarian era would at least be more intelligent than our Dravidian people. The history of our forefathers and rishis is disgusting and demeaning. They are responsible for our Dravidian degradation and disgrace. Now let us pass on to other gods.
As per one Hindu mythology Mahavishnu and Parameswaran both males, fall in love with each other, cohabit and produce a male child which is being worshipped by the Hindu orthodox people even now, as Sastha or Iyappan, or Harihara Puthran.
Iyappa: Again it is stated clearly that Mahavishnu fell in love with another Brahma rishi called Naradar and produced not one child but 60 babies. 60 years of the Hindus from Prabava are named after the 60 children of Brahma.
These episodes do not stop with Mahavishnu. We are told of interesting vulgarities about Mahavishnu’s wife called Mahalakshmi. It seems Lakshmi saw a beautiful horse and instantly fell in love with the horse. Vishnu, the knower of all things, came to know about this matter. He immediately changed his wife Lakshmi, into a mare and he himself became a horse. The Vishnu and Lakshmi enjoyed. They did not give birth to a foal, but a human being was born to them. He was named Eka Veeran.
Now let us take into consideration the truths said about the greatness of Devendiran, the king of the devas. Once the king Devendiran happened to see a lady named Parisadam, she was the dutiful wife of a rishi. He wanted to have intercourse with her. He said that he had a great love for her. She replied that she has neither love for Indiran nor could she betray her husband. Indiran was frustrated. He was determined to achieve his object. Some time later the rishi performed Aswamedha yaga wherein his wife Parisadam had to insert the penis of the horse into her womb, as a ritual. Indiran seized this as the best opportunity. He somehow entered inside the male organ of the horse and accomplished his long felt desire. Indiran spoilt Parisadam forcibly against her wishes.
I have enlightened you with great restraint, the details regarding Brahma, Rishis, Devas and their king to enable you to learn something about them as is authoritatively stated in the Manu’s code
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 11, 2011 at 12:57 am
Another pakistani clip…This reminds me of Shahrukh Khan’s words “They are great neighbors”…
Watch and enjoy their hatred
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dRadk2YAiw&feature=related [Click to see nuggets from this page]
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ram autar Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 1:38 am
yes i second this pakistanis are great neighbour.india is hated by all its neighbours.because of hate spewing brhmns.
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 3:37 am
You should know your uncle Vinod Sharma happens to be Brahmin.
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Pankaj#1 Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 7:03 am
@ Vinod,
Are you really all that dense up there? or it is something else. why you are stuck at 1947? India has progressed a lot beyond that. Have You?
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 11, 2011 at 3:36 am
Here is true face of pakistani thugs Ravi and Ram Autar (rather Mo-Autar)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSMR4qRsM6g [Click to see nuggets from this page]
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Rajiv says:
February 11, 2011 at 5:57 am
If you don’t have Pakistanis like Mo-Autar, how will you know what Pakistan is ?
Do you believe congress propogandist Mr Vindo Sharma or do you believe what you hear and see , from Kasav to ISI to Jinnah to Taleban to Zardari to Mo-Autar to LeT ?
Bye the way, India has against agreed to futile, farcical talks with the criminal entity .
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Pankaj#1 says:
February 11, 2011 at 7:10 am
Vinod;
You still think that Indians are Bhed bakri? Whom you can shepherd at your will. Most of the bloggers are more intelligent than all your congress ministers. Alse, they are not all that crooked. Congress is trying hard, but soon, it will find that Indians will not tolerate congress clowns any more. I know, congress is only afraid of violence, so you people will get it in not so distant future.
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
Now the threat of violence. What do I do? Lodge an FIR? Can’t help but be fearful as it comes from the progeny of those who killed Gandhi.
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Pankaj#1 Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
Vinodji;
Why you are paranoid? You are twisting my alert to a threat. Egyptian scene is revolution and any repeat scene here is threatening? How long population will tolerate this open loot. Government koi Mai baap sarkar nahin hai- but government is behaving like dispenser of favors, protector of corrupts and unable to control inflation. Economic progress has touched only few million people, while teeming hundreds of millions are being crushed under injustice and poverty. Government should realize that in this age, public has not remained as docile as once it was.
Moral authority is non existent. I remember that on the appeal of Government in sixtees, people donated gold jewellry, money and on one appeal, they gave up food for one time in a day. This actually happened. Do you think, there is any body in present dispension, who will command such moral authority. I am sure, any appeal of this nature, will be laughed at, so low is government’s reputation.
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veer bhallal Reply:
February 12th, 2011 at 10:57 pm
but they are not womanizers like our b loved leaders
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Pankaj#1 Reply:
February 13th, 2011 at 7:40 pm
@ Vinod
How long you will keep on MILKING this killing of Gandhi mantra? Have you(congress) not already ruled, all over India for many decades. Became rich beyond dreams. Not satisfied with this rape of India, you assumed fake names like indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi and all these Gandhis, just to perpetuate your lies and loot. Hundreds of millions of people do not know that these looter have no relation to MK Gandhi, the person who was at par with Prophets, much above PM and presidents. The person who could stop worst blood letting by his denial of nourishment to himeself. How dare you people take his name for your nefarious designs. Do not you dare to portray him as congressi and Nathu Ram Godse as RSS, because they were not.
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dimple Reply:
February 14th, 2011 at 8:19 am
u call us gandhis progeny…..
and u r the progeny of congress and people who eliminated hindus from kashmir,pakistan and bangladesh and yet decided to stay behind because of people like u who could not ev
be fair in the logic of division..
40 % land given to pakistan and yet 1/2 million killed and hindus eliminated from there..
and yet u nevr answer qs on hindus killed and cleansed there and in kashmir…
and even sikhs in 1984 is not true for u ..
and congress has giftedd u a minorities chairmanship…when u dont even know who is majority and minority..
ur whole world revolves around licking congress and their favorite votebank minority..
it is u peeople who created communal riots in 1947 and r responsible for all riots since 1947..
in otherwords u r responsible for the killing of millions…
in any decent country u wuld have been tried for treason long ago but u workd for looters who delight in looting food and water from the poor…
no wonder u r against development messia modi..
godse willingly went to the noose for this country…right or wrong..
and he alone does not make all individuals posting here..
u dont even acknowledge courts have acquited rss…
and u make up tales about saffron terror….
only in the shaitan world of congress can people like u be media…
u do not even know media is supposed to be watchdog of govt but u r a ghastly lapdog
hired to betray the country …no wonder all ur positiosn are being echoed by pakistan
latest being saffron terror used by it to negate any justice to 26-11..
now go and dance in joy in front of the hosues of the victims..
start with that constable kumble who singlehandedly arrested kasab and gave his life..
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V.K.CHAWLA Reply:
February 14th, 2011 at 8:42 pm
In future please , attach a hindi version of your comments , as I suspect with all my convictions that your comments will go over the head of likes of Vinod Sharmas. As a memory chip was embedded in their childhood , by the minons of Congress with filtered taste of history & about Indians & India , so everything else is bypassed which does not tally with the pre processed memory chip.
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SKS_Mumbai says:
February 11, 2011 at 9:02 am
Here is a man who calls others bunch of charlatans, foul mouthed Nagpur bumpkins, fake nationalists etc.
It is possible that he doesn’t consider those words abusive simply because they are “English Words”.
He also showed his Hindi vocabulary by calling them Dangais, Galla Vyaparis.
Galla Vyaparis, in his scheme of things, appear to be despicable things and hence best used for Insulting whomsoever he wishes to. [In an exactly opposite scenario, if some of us had called him "a Galla Vyapari in the sense that he uses this word" he would've accused us of having a casteist mindset]
The word “Galla Vyapari” by itself can only be as insulting as the word “Journalist” or “scientist”. But expecting him to realize, that one doesn’t have to be a Galla Vyapari (or a journalist) to state the above, is obviously “too big an ask”:
The above would hold even if reasons, to suspect, the target of being a Galla Vyapari did not exist. Although evidence from his replies on this post, seems to suggest that the only reason he would require before calling you a Galla Vyapari, is disagreeing with his claims/views.
Now what to say about the term Dangais? It is as good as calling us murderers and this man then, has the cheek to preach us that “Calling others congress chamchas and ISI agents borders on abuse”.
He also asserts that our ideological ancestors killed Gandhi. This because he already “knows” that we are RSS men. Again the basis for his conclusion remains the same: that we disagreed and questioned him.
There is more.
For the “secular” forces of this country, it never mattered that Supreme court had completely absolved RSS of Gandhi’s murder. Not just that, another secular stalwart the famous Noorani, in an article in “the Statesman” repeated that charge. RSS went to court, both Noorani and Statesman ignored the court summons (secular “respect” for judiciary). When court issued non-bailable warrants, both of them wrote unconditional apologies and expressed regret to save their sorry #*?@. Remember Aziz Burney’s apology? Yet an assortment of “seculars” go on repeating these charges whenever they get a chance. Note the pattern: Sharma jee’s ancestor questions and “seculars” like Shabnam Hashmi, Paswan etc. on Gandhi’s murder.
And then Mr Vinod Sharma accuses us “of twisting facts to suit our convenience” Unsurprising then that he accuses us of “spewing canards” and making “baseless allegations”!
A Very Honorable Mr Vinod Shram.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 11:34 am
SKS, (I wish I knew your name)
You have put it correctly and clearly.
The RSS, when it was founded in the 1920’s, might have been an organisation of a handful of Brahmins, but today, it is a huge pan Hindu organisation, in which Brahmins are a small minority.
In the early 50’s Jansangh founded, with only three Brahmins, Dr. Shyamaprasad Mukherjee, Atal Bihari Vajapayee and Deen dayal Upadhyaya as its only members. Later, its detractors began calling the party a traders’ party, Vaish community’s political arm etc. This is from where Vinod Sharma chose to pick the pejorative (according to him) term, ‘gulla vyapari’. But today, this party has the highest number of OBC, SC/ST legislators in the whole of India. And interestingly, Brahmins and Vaish community figure as a minority.
As for spreading canards, its viciousness increases in direct proportion to the threat perception of the congress from the BJP. Nothing surprising there.
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V.K.CHAWLA Reply:
February 13th, 2011 at 12:24 am
Actually the problem with the likes of Vinod Sharma is that while schooling they were dumbwit children , so to make them a reasonable person of some ” PARRA LIKHA ” , their teachers gave them memory chips to stick , so the language , words these chips were fed & made , is now being tumbled automatically , out from their mouth or any scheme of things of writing . So you should not be surprised whatever you say or is a reality , they are bound to say the predetermined words , language only . ignore them Man ; they are a lost case , in any case.
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Praveen Saxena says:
February 11, 2011 at 10:34 am
It had been stressed ,on this blog that a Supreme Court monitored Inquiry is the best way to investigate the 2 G loot. And it happened . They may be regretting that now.
Now Press Reports say that thge DMK is peeved that the CBI has reached so far, so as to tell the SC that Raja has made approx 3000crs . Now this has gone beyond what was discussed.
So expect to see some more action on the ISRO deal now from within the UPA gang.
NCP bossses are unhappy that why the CBI has progressed to reach the Maharasthra connection to the 2G scam.( DB Balwa and his political guardians in Maharashtra)
So expect to see some more action on the ISRO deal now , again from within the UPA gang.
So in sum total . reading the newspapers and TV news shall continue to be exciting in days to come ,and naukri of some gets more pakki.
Arre Vijay Bhai woh discussion kuch hum log kar rahe they ki agla PM kaun ho sakta hai?
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Praveen Saxena says:
February 11, 2011 at 10:51 am
Arre wah Vijay Bhai , Mubarak ho bhaiyya. Chai ka nimantran aur woh bhi akele akele.
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Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 11:55 am
@ Praveen,
I think the opposition really needs to get together two three faces on who is thier choice of PM is, in case of various permutations. Advani, Chandrababu, Nitish Kumar, Jaitley are the obvious choices
As such Congress ka safaya is gauranteed. The so called Rahul charisma is restricted to the media houses in Delhi and will not translate into votes anymore, if the opposition manages to have some young known faces all over.
The BJP lost in 2004 as it a) CHose the wrong ally in Tamil Nadu when it dumped Karunanidhi
b) Chose to be defensive on Kandhar, when it had all reasons to project it as a success, after all Jaswant Singh did risk his life to rescue the hostges by going to a land filled with mad Rotweilers
In 2009, it campaign was based on negative factors of pulling down Manmohan SIngh.
Besides the top vacancy at the PM level, the opposition has to also get some new faces which are known all over India and may not necessarily have risen from the ranks. This is very necessary as at least 50% of actual voters will be below 40 and the Congress just has a single line agenda that Rahul is young and fresh. And these faces should be modern, computer savvy and acceptable. And they have to be from all fields– social work, business, law, sports, arts, military…
For example Anil Kumble, who is now a BJP member, projects soberness, leadership and intelligence.
Or Narayan Murthy who is itching to be in politics but nobody is giving him the break.
Or maybe Rahul Bajaj from business.
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etc etc.
Maybe even Vinod Sharma ?? :D Sir… will you agree if BJP gives you a ticket ?????????
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Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
I forgot to add that the opposition needs to create an effective kisan cell to get our farmers a real lobby.
In the end, the next elections will really be about how the youth votes swings….
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Pankaj#1 Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
Saxena ji, Aab to mera dil bhi jal raha hai. Chai ke saath kuchh khane ko bhi hai.
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Praveen Saxena Reply:
February 12th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Pankajji pata nahin Barista mein samose milte hai ki nahin. Wahan to khali pastries, doughnuts,patties vagairah hotey hain.
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Pankaj#1 Reply:
February 12th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
Saxena sahab;
Phir na jata main, mujhe to panchkuiyaan wale samose hee pasand hain.
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B.V.SHENOY says:
February 11, 2011 at 11:06 am
Pankaj,
I heartily agree with you that we need not be and should never be boorish.
Some of the youngsters here are regularly crossing the Lakshman Rekha of appropriateness in language.
But, Shri Vinod Sharma too could sift the bad eggs from the good ones, instead of tarring every blogger with the same brush of abusive language. Perhaps he is being paranoid that the world is out to get every congressi or congress supporter.
This time, besides choosing a very sensitive subject for the blog, Shri Vinod Sharma has been conspicuously ‘willing to wound (the Hindu community) but afraid to hurt’. Consequently, he has chosen an array of “writers and social activists, known in popular parlance as jholawallahs, to inflict the hurtful cuts and throw the poisonous barbs from their bows.
If he had voiced his own outrage about the core issue of his blog, viz; the illegal detention without trial of hundreds of Muslim youths, without doubt most of us would have given our critical remarks and the debate could have proceeded on a healthy and less hurtful manner. Instead, he chose a convenient short cut of voicing the untenable, unpalatable opinions of known Hindu baiters.
I hope better sense would prevail alround.
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
Better sense has to dawn on all. That shall only happen if we agree to certain ground rules of debate and come down together on anybody who willfully violates them. In the past, I did request Vijay Kumar to play the referee. He tried but didn’t quiet succeed. Let us not sit in judgement and honestly introspect. That alone is the answer to meaninful debate — in which I am really interested or else why would I run this blog?
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dimple Reply:
February 12th, 2011 at 7:12 am
appropriatenesss in language..??
do u feel angry at the injustice done by congress and theri henchmen for 60 years…u do not feel as passionate about corruption poverty childlabor
lack of law..yeah the most important issue is harmless language
yeah calling modi a mass murder and saffron terrorists by media is fine with u…
because u dont move an inch to show ur anger…but u want to be judge of what is abuse..
do u even know abuse is subjective…
this shenoy guy was asking yeddy to resign and claiming he always votes against the congress..
if yeddy had resigned..congress game plan wuld have been realized..bjp wuld have lost lingayat vote and lost panchayat parishad elections…
with freinds like these who needs enemies…
and if someone does not talk and waste time in discussing sacho panza or cervantes or pickwick paperes with him..his logic is it is not that persons cup of tea
what is appropriate is to dfeat congress..if u dont even know that and how to do it
dont show how docile hindus r by ur passive timepass here..
have u even noticed how the minoriities hate and unite against the bjp because of their religios hatred eg bjp truly secular positions on conversion and civil code …that is their passion ..no matter what the merits..eg hatred for modi and bjp
congress has a headstart with the minority vote and turn out as in 2009…they won with 26 % vote..
if u dont know this fact…get them and then brush up ur logical side which is sorely rusting
no wonder it can trample on wishy wasshy hindus like u and rule
yeah no one shuld be abusive on internet but kicking out kashmiri hindus is fine
yeah and let me join u in ur only passion to congratulate people who have a passion for minorities like this blogger…as if the minorities do not have enough muscle and friends worldwide..the recent being conversion agents elena sen and her husband…and that same world is ganging up against hindus
now go and read wodehouse and be satisfied that hindus produce wimps like u who
have no sense of passion whn it comes to their own community…
only hindus make such moralistic senti petty comments…giving clean chits to people without any proof to the contrary…i have yet to see a minority give aclean chit for modi or bjp…even if the court could acquit him
on the otherhand the same gang is wanting binayak freed defying the courts…
and peole like higness shenoy r worried about abuse as defined and judged by them… just like his cleanchit..
no wonder hindus have been subjugated fro 1000 years…they r docile…but worse treacherous
and when someone shows bravery like modi and bjp which is the only party that can save them
they will try to get claps by pretending to be evenhanded and moral…yeah the poorest and most corrupt and unhealthy and lawless country in world ..so so moral…
only bjp can save us from congress…no but yeddy shuld resign so congress can win…this guy was inventing more allegations against yeddy than even media congressis.
this is his way of voting against congress…when he is an agent of congress by his innocence..
yeah but “abuse” on a board is the priority…no one wants to abuse anyone…it is called anger
and free speech..there is nthing illegal….and when separatists pelt stones and kill jawans or
stop development in delhi…because of demolition protests….
shenoy is fine with that.. people like shenoy r the reason why india has always been subjugated by the so called minorities…they have no passion for bigger issues and when someone shows it..
censorboard shenoy will swoop down calling it abusive..
wow what passion and what a sense of priority
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Vijay Kumar says:
February 11, 2011 at 12:02 pm
@ Vinod Sharma,
Thank you for your invitation for a chai :)
I do cross your path sometimes a the HT office but find it prudent to keep quiet…
Yes there is a Barista cafe at Scindia house a minutes walk from the HT. Maybe someday, this vagabodn will seek your company there ! :)
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
PRUDENCE? Wow. Does it come naturally to you? Doesn’t seem so from your sweeping generalisations on this blog. Anyway, Barista isn’t a bad rendezvous. Might ask u whether u swashbuckle on the blog to impress your friend? If that’s so, I’m game and wouldn’t mind in future. Will even generously concede u brownie points. :) )
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vijay Kumar Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
@ Vinod Sharma,
Well I never thought I was making sweeping generalisations… ! Thank u if you concede me brownie points I am sure, it would help me making an impression by showing my report card !
And for starters, let me swashbuckle a bit Sharukh Khan style– and await your comments. In case you give me some good brownie points then I can tell your junior that, ” Look honey, your boss Vinodji, did not agree with my thesis at first go, but then I did turn out to be right…”
a) If you go three blogs back, I had approximately predicted that Raja had probably taken 3000 crores as kickbacks . @ 25 crore a licence, for 122 licences. Now the CBI has said the same ! :D
b) Or the prediction that the entire COngress machinery will come to fight for the illegal mosques in Jangpura and none for the illegal temple in Push Vihar, though both were equally bad ! :)
Wish my prediction for a change of government too comes correct as the Congress is taking people for granted and more dangerously winking at communalism, terror and corruption…
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
Vijay Kumar,
At the rate at which your predictions are coming true, Vinodji may be tempted to ask you to read his palm when you meet him in the Barista cafe.
I feel palmistry is 10% palm and 90% mystery, please predict his rapid rise (By rise I do not mean going up in the lift) in HT, NMC and also in the party which badly needs his services.
vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 14th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
I stumbled on a post by one Bhamy V Shenoy on IHRO the other day. This man sings a more objective tune on corruption in Karnataka— scared perhaps that his love for Yeddy might get him slammed by the larger audience there. Is it you?
There are two addresses: one of Houston and another of Mysore. If it is a different shenoy, then I”d reproduce what he wrote.
PS: you guys really ooze affection and love for each other. Happy Valentine’s Day though your fellow traveller might be sipping coffee with “honey” at Barista and regalling her by playing gatka like a nihang singh. :) ) I bet that he’d never meet me anywhere because he’s basically a hit and run artist, lacking the courage of “last man standing.”
vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 14th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
you are forgetting many other predictions you made: ]
1) Fall of the Berlin Wall
2) Collapse of Soviet Union
3) Upheavel in the arab world
4) Kareena Shahid breakup
5) Saddam Hussain’s fall
and before all that The MAHATMA’S ASSASSINATION BY GODSE
You have divine powers. Why don’t you declare yourself antaryami?
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Rajiv says:
February 11, 2011 at 6:32 pm
I bet there are more innocent Hindus in Indian prisons than Muslims, just because of the fact Hindus are more in number. So, if the debate was framed about ‘Innocent Indians’ in prisons, the debate would not have degenerated. It was a conscious effort to communalize the debate by Vinod Sharma and other congress communalists by framing the debate in terms of religion of innocents in prison.
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Rajiv says:
February 11, 2011 at 6:36 pm
correction : it should read ” so called or alleged innocents in prison” and not the presumptive, incorrect “innocents in prison”
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vijay Kumar says:
February 11, 2011 at 6:56 pm
Did anyone notice that Azhar Hussain has disappeared and a new autar called Ram Autar has appeared. So even if this guy is not Azhar Naffar Hussain, it is a similar clone from the land of the impure who can only do cut and paste and nothing more :D
Ignore him as he takes up space and only has nuisance spam value…
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Rajiv says:
February 11, 2011 at 9:34 pm
For those interested in Indo-Pak issues, there is a ‘relatively balanced’ pak news web site
http://www.tribune.com.pk [Click to see nuggets from this page]
I like it.
It also has a responsible policy allowing readers to post comment on opinions/blogs.
You may like to check it out.
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Saarthak [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 13th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
I think you are new to the Express Tribune…but its not as balanced. You will chance upon many a biased articles once you regularly read it. Dan is still a better option
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Saarthak [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 13th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
I meant “Dawn”
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SKS_Mumbai says:
February 11, 2011 at 10:18 pm
@Shenoy
SKS stands for Saurabh Kumar Srivastava.
As the 7 Hindutva-Fascists-Zionists have already been exposed on this blog, it is no use “Hiding” my name.
BTW, Mr Vinod Sharma Jee is on Newshour, looking very sweet.
He of course clarified once that he was not there to “Speak on behalf of PMO”
How rare for a Manish Tiwari or Manu Singhavi to say: I”am not here to speak on behalf of the Govt”
Lord Meghnad tried to interrupt Mr Sharma 3-4 times starting with “I don’t understand why Mr Vinod Sharma….”
…..and finally when he got a chance to complete his sentence added:I don’t understand why Mr Vinod Sharma refuses to understand the question or the point.
Of course, I don”t claim the above to be verbatim, but all of you do have a chance to watch a repeat later tonight.
I cld be branded, a “TimesNow” agent now. But to give credit where due, Sharma jee has neither branded me directly (of course there was this bit of breaking news abt busting our hideout in Tora Bora Mountains) nor responded to any of my comments. I am just wondering why? Too frivolous? No substance? Not relevant?
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ram autar Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 11:47 pm
sharma jee,What is alarming is the press reports that the Army is fully infiltrated with Chitpavans. That is why no action is being taken against the AB.
Abhinav Bharat pledge to impose Hindu Rashtra by using violence, killing all those opposed to their heinous Brahminic dream, has proved the claim that Hinduism stands for non-violence is utterly false. Every Hindu god is fully armed. Every major violent flare-up in India killing thousands and thousands of innocent beings was done only by the Brahminic Hindus. Who says Hinduism stands for non-violence?
India is facing total grid-lock
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 12th, 2011 at 12:07 am
sharma jee,What is alarming is the press reports that the Pak Army is fully infiltrated with Talibans. That is why no action is being taken against the Taliban.
Taliban pledge to impose Sharia by using violence, killing all those opposed to their heinous arabic dream, has proved the claim that Islam stands for peace is utterly false. Every Islamic Hindu prophet is fully armed. Every major violent flare-up in Pakistan killing thousands and thousands of innocent beings was done only by the arabic muslims. Who says Islam stands for peace?
Islam is facing total grid-lock
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 12th, 2011 at 11:47 am
Rajeev,
Tits for tats
you have shredded this fake Ram
and his faker Autar to bits.
After cut-and-paste jobs from all over the web, now he is doing cut and paste from his own earlier paste jobs.
Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 13th, 2011 at 2:26 am
Shenoyji,
The difference is that Mo Autar is making up stories on hinduism, whereas I am stating facts.
All these semitic religion especially Islam urge its followers to reject (actually insult) other’s faith so that they can become true believer. This is the real cause of their intolerance.
Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 11:59 pm
I watched the debate. I can only say that Vinod Sharma bested himself again.
:) Seriously Mr.Sharma needs to re-invent himself.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 12th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
Thanks for being yourself, Saurabh.
Today’s news item says that the congress party being in deep ****, none of the 19 spokespersons of the congress party attended the emergency “briefing meeting” called by their chief, Janardhan Dwivedi. It says that they are scared of the opposition onslaught being put on display daily with incresing fodder for their cannons. The most conspicuous absentees in this meeting were Natarani Jayanthi, Singhvi and Maneesh Tiwari.
If Singhvi and the other loud mouth Maneesh have been forced to go into hiding, one can imagine the deepness of the **** pool into which the whole of the gang finds itself.
Therefore, we must appreciate the gallantry of Shri Vinod Sharma in coming to the resque of the party which is presently facing a crisis of being seen as the party of crooks, cheats, fake scientists, gun-runners, gas-chamber killers etc.
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V.K.CHAWLA Reply:
February 14th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
They had gone to Haridwar actually , as they are weighing in the range of 250 Kg. ; 70 – 85 Kg ., the weight of self plus the weight of their evergrowing SINS , so they had found very difficulty in walking & mixing with others because of their unbearable roundtable body . After theirs sins are awashed by the Ganges in three weeks of special programme of sin removing by few hundred priests , they will be unavailable for this period. So ” emergency briefing meeting ” can wait for few weeks .
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ram autar says:
February 11, 2011 at 11:54 pm
hinduism is not religion ,it is a social pyramid with brhmn sitting at top.its main aim is to keep brhmncl slavery intact upon indians.conversion is liberation.bhagwan are made to bully others and occupying the land and property of others.
u were invaders came here to enjoy hence have no love for india or indian.go to america ur fatherland leave us here to be peace.
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 12th, 2011 at 12:05 am
Islam is not religion ,it is a social pyramid with Syeds sitting at top.its main aim is to keep Arabic slavery intact upon converted muslims.conversion is cowardice..Allah the Pagan god are made to bully others and occupying the land and property of others.
u were invaders came here to enjoy hence have no love for india or indian.go to arabia ur fatherland leave us here to be peace.
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ram autar Reply:
February 12th, 2011 at 1:21 am
nakalchee u are wrong.
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 12th, 2011 at 10:04 am
Prove I am wrong…you fake guy.
ram autar Reply:
February 12th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
rajeev home work for u,
Brahma’s lust: (1) According to a fable of Hindu religion Brahma acted as a priest to officiate the marriage of god Paramasiva with Parvathi. When Parvathi went round the sacred fire (omakundam) she held the end of the apron cloth with her left hand before going round. It enabled Brahma to have a clear look at the Parvathi’s thighs. On seeing the thighs, Brahma became a victim of lust. Brahma’s semen poured out. Brahma left the semen in a vessel near the sacred fire. Immediately Agasthiar was born.
(2) When Parvathi came around the sacred fire again, Brahma once again relished her thighs and he once again became a victim to lust and semen poured out once again. This time he left the semen on the green plants, creepers and trees. This time a number of saints (rishis) were born in no time. Of them Valkilliyathe was one.
Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 13th, 2011 at 2:18 am
Mo Autar,
Homework for you-
1. Mohammad was a highway robber.
2. Mohammad raped 6 year old Ayesha.
3. Mohammad forced his adopted son to give up his wife Zainab to satisfy Mohammad’s lust.
4. Mohammad was gay and had a lover called Omar.
5. Mohammad recommended Camel Pee for all the ailments.
6. Mohammad used to hump lambs and goats and even humped donkey that he used to visit Jannat.
All this has been reveled by Propeht Ali Sina (PBUH).
Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 13th, 2011 at 2:24 am
Mo Autar,
Another homework for you.
Mohammad’s lust: (1) According to a fable of Islam, Mohammad acted as a prophet to officiate the marriage of his adopted son with Zainab. When AZainab went to take bath, she held the end of the apron cloth with her left hand before going round. It enabled Mohammad to have a clear look at the Zainab’s thighs. On seeing the thighs, Mohammad became a victim of lust. Mohammad’s semen poured out. Mohammad forced his adopted son to give up his wife Zainab so that Mohammad could marry her. However Mohammad being impotent could not impregnate Zainab.
(2) When 6 year old Ayesha was playing with dolls, Mohammad relished her thighs and he once again became a victim to lust and semen poured out once again. This time he left the semen on the 6 year old’s thigh. But Mohammad being impotent could not impregnate Ayesha also.
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Rajiv says:
February 12, 2011 at 3:12 am
Mo Autar , the name says it all.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 12th, 2011 at 11:49 am
He should actually call himself Rahman Outer.
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vijay Kumar Reply:
February 13th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
GUys, Ram autar is a fake and probably a low grade ISI agent or maybe Azhar Hussain or someone similar in disguise!
I sincerely advise him to help Ahmadiyas and Shias of Pakistan as they need help and are being murdered daily !
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 14th, 2011 at 8:07 am
Same is true for Ravi with whom you like to waste your precious time. These two guys are either terrorists or future terrorists…
Have you ever seen an American or Chinese engaging pakistani SOB in decent conversation? All they deserve is contempt.
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Rajiv says:
February 12, 2011 at 7:02 am
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The Raymond Davis Case in Pakistan.
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This is yet anathor example of how if you engage the dirtiest entity on earth, the most vile and criminal establsihment of Pakistan, what you will get. Just watch how Pak ISI/army are using the case of the US diplomat , who shot two robbers in self defense, is being used by the Pak state.
Warning for India : If you engage a dirty dog, dont complain if you get bitten.
Here are some facts on the case, presumably written by Najam Sethi, a most prominent, sane Pak editor and posted by someone in comments section in Washington times.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/11/AR2011021101625_Comments.html [Click to see nuggets from this page]
FACT AND FICTION OF DAVIS CASE
By Najam Sethi
THE case of Raymond Davis has outraged the imagination and sentiment of Pakistanis mainly because of a distortion of key facts by powerful sections of the Pakistani media in which, as a keen blogger put it, “ a mix of hyper- patriotism, half- baked information, sincere ignorance and arrogant bluster hold sway.” It has also become a vicious ping pong game between the PPP government in Islamabad and the PMLN government in Punjab in which each is trying to get brownie nationalist points from the people regardless of the consequences for national security. Ominously, though, it has soured a troubled relationship between Pakistan and the US who claim to be “ strategic partners” in the region. Consider.
Fiction: Mr Davis “ murdered” two Pakistanis by shooting them in the back. This shows he was not threatened by them and therefore was not acting in self- defense.
They were not robbers because their guns were licensed.
Fact: Two men on a motorbike armed with unlicensed pistols came alongside the car that Mr Davis was driving and signaled him to stop. When he didn’t, they overtook him and swerved in front of him, forcing him to stop. As they turned to confront him, he aimed his Glock 9 mm pistol and expertly shot them through the windscreen in self defense.
Then he stepped out of the car and took pictures as evidence of the abortive attempt on his person. The autopsy report showed that at least four out of the seven bullets had hit the gunmen in the front, indicating they were facing him with handguns.
Two reports filed by citizens who had been robbed earlier in the day by the same two men were filed at police stations, proving that they were criminals. Four cell phones, including a stolen iPhone, were found on their persons.
Fiction: Mr Davis is not a diplomat. His visa doesn’t say he is a diplomat. The Foreign Office has not listed him as a diplomat.
Hence he cannot claim diplomatic immunity under the Vienna Conventions of 1961 and 1963. Therefore he should be tried for willful murder of two Pakistani citizens.
Fact: Mr Davis has a Diplomatic Passport.
His visa application by the US State Department to the Pakistan Embassy in Washington DC of 11 September 2009 lists him as a Diplomat who is on Official Business.
On January 27, the day of the incident, the US embassy in Islamabad submitted a list of accredited diplomats in which the name of Davis was present.
Fiction: Mr Davis cannot claim immunity from prosecution under the Vienna Conventions.
Fact: He can. His diplomatic status is confirmed.
All diplomats can claim immunity from criminal proceedings regardless of the gravity of the crime. At least three senior Pakistani diplomats have claimed such in the past: Ambassador to Spain in 1975, Haroon ur Rashid Abbasi, claimed immunity when heroin was discovered in his suitcase; Military Attaché M Hasan claimed it in London when he was nabbed having illicit sex in a public place; and First Secretary A Cheema claimed it in 2001 after Nepal police discovered RDX explosives in his house in Kathmundu. Cases abound in the world, the most famous being the shooting of a police constable, Yvonne Fletcher, in London in 1984 and the wounding of 11 others by staff of the Libyan Embassy. An American diplomat in Islamabad last year was involved in a traffic accident in which one Pakistani was killed. He claimed and got diplomatic immunity.
Fiction: Mr Davis was not in any imminent danger of grievous injury, let alone kidnapping or death, from the two young men. So he committed a murder and cannot plead self- defense.
Fact: A murder necessitates a motive. What motive could Mr Davis have in killing two unknown people in broad daylight if they didn’t threaten him? More to the point, Westerners, especially Americans, risk all manner of threats while in Pakistan because of vapid anti- Americanism in the country and opposition to US violation of Pakistan’s sovereignty by US Drones. Here is a litany of attacks on foreigners in the last thirty years. In 1979, an mob enraged by a terrorist attack on the Ka’aba in Mecca falsely attributed to America by Ayatollah Khomeini attacked the US embassy in Islamabad and set parts of it on fire, killing two Americans; in 2002 a US diplomat and her daughter were killed by a terrorist attack on a church in Islamabad; the US consulate in Karachi was attacked in 2002 and 2006, leaving 16 dead, including two Americans; in 2003, the US embassy in Islamabad was attacked, two people were killed; in 2008, a restaurant in Islamabad was bombed, killing four US diplomats; in 2008, the US Principal Officr in Peshawar was attacked; in 2008, the Marriot Hotel was bombed and two foreigners were killed; an aid worker was killed in Peshawar in 2008 and the US Consulate was attacked, leaving 8 dead. In addition, Iranian diplomats have been killed or kidnapped by sectarian terrorists since 1990, UN and Chinese workers have been kidnapped and the Sri Lankan c
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dimple says:
February 12, 2011 at 7:13 am
appropriatenesss in language..??says shenoy
do u feel angry at the injustice done by congress and theri henchmen for 60 years…u do not feel as passionate about corruption poverty childlabor
lack of law..yeah the most important issue is harmless language
yeah calling modi a mass murder and saffron terrorists by media is fine with u…
because u dont move an inch to show ur anger…but u want to be judge of what is abuse..
do u even know abuse is subjective…
this shenoy guy was asking yeddy to resign and claiming he always votes against the congress..
if yeddy had resigned..congress game plan wuld have been realized..bjp wuld have lost lingayat vote and lost panchayat parishad elections…
with freinds like these who needs enemies…
and if someone does not talk and waste time in discussing sacho panza or cervantes or pickwick paperes with him..his logic is it is not that persons cup of tea
what is appropriate is to dfeat congress..if u dont even know that and how to do it
dont show how docile hindus r by ur passive timepass here..
have u even noticed how the minoriities hate and unite against the bjp because of their religios hatred eg bjp truly secular positions on conversion and civil code …that is their passion ..no matter what the merits..eg hatred for modi and bjp
congress has a headstart with the minority vote and turn out as in 2009…they won with 26 % vote..
if u dont know this fact…get them and then brush up ur logical side which is sorely rusting
no wonder it can trample on wishy wasshy hindus like u and rule
yeah no one shuld be abusive on internet but kicking out kashmiri hindus is fine
yeah and let me join u in ur only passion to congratulate people who have a passion for minorities like this blogger…as if the minorities do not have enough muscle and friends worldwide..the recent being conversion agents elena sen and her husband…and that same world is ganging up against hindus
now go and read wodehouse and be satisfied that hindus produce wimps like u who
have no sense of passion whn it comes to their own community…
only hindus make such moralistic senti petty comments…giving clean chits to people without any proof to the contrary…i have yet to see a minority give aclean chit for modi or bjp…even if the court could acquit him
on the otherhand the same gang is wanting binayak freed defying the courts…
and peole like higness shenoy r worried about abuse as defined and judged by them… just like his cleanchit..
no wonder hindus have been subjugated fro 1000 years…they r docile…but worse treacherous
and when someone shows bravery like modi and bjp which is the only party that can save them
they will try to get claps by pretending to be evenhanded and moral…yeah the poorest and most corrupt and unhealthy and lawless country in world ..so so moral…
only bjp can save us from congress…no but yeddy shuld resign so congress can win…this guy was inventing more allegations against yeddy than even media congressis.
this is his way of voting against congress…when he is an agent of congress by his innocence..
yeah but “abuse” on a board is the priority…no one wants to abuse anyone…it is called anger
and free speech..there is nthing illegal….and when separatists pelt stones and kill jawans or
stop development in delhi…because of demolition protests….
shenoy is fine with that.. people like shenoy r the reason why india has always been subjugated by the so called minorities…they have no passion for bigger issues and when someone shows it..
censorboard shenoy will swoop down calling it abusive..
wow what passion and what a sense of priority
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Praveen Saxena says:
February 12, 2011 at 11:26 am
A suggestion I read on the NET.I thought it was quite timely and worth a serious thought
That Pranab Mukerjea should make a budgetary allocation of Rs 200-300 crs for a 5 star Jail in Delhi. He can also ascertain individual requirements now ( as he would be knowing the likely would be residents) and provide accordingly.
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 13, 2011 at 1:36 am
Arun Shouries has called HINDUSTAN TIMES JOURNALISM ‘Swallow and Vomit’ journalism.
HT has turned itself into Congress Sandesh.
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/bjp-not-interested-in-pursuing-2g-case-shourie/143118-37-64.html [Click to see nuggets from this page]
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vijay Kumar Reply:
February 13th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
The exact words of Shourie implicate NDTV and hindustan times ofr taking the COngress side. Here is a reproduction. Any comments Vinodji ?
Karan Thapar: What about something else? The ‘Hindustan Times’ in its front-page cover story on November 9 suggests that the letter Baijal wrote on November 11, 2003 was as a result of a private conversation between Vinod Vaish, your secretary at DoT (Department of Telecommunications) and Baijal. In another words, you or your officials connived with Baijal to get the letter written.
Arun Shourie: This is the swallow-and-vomit journalism of people like ‘Hindustan Times’. What do you mean? We are the Ministry of Telecommunications man, we can’t use a telephone? I worked for five years in government. There is not a single occasion when I would have sought anybody’s advice by writing or by writing to him. I’ll ring him up. I’ll walk up to the officer’s room and I’ll say look here, I need this information. Please get it from me.
Karan Thapar: So a telephone call is not a proof of connivance?
Arun Shourie: How can it be? Some fool on NDTV said ‘Oh! Such a big thing, telephone call, how bureaucracy works?’ When did that fool work in the bureaucracy?
Karan Thapar: Would you consider taking the ‘Hindustan Times’ to court for libel?
Arun Shourie: No, why should we? Who believes these characters, man? This is swallow-and-vomit journalism, I’m telling you. Let them take me to the court. I’m saying this is swallow-and-vomit journalism.
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Saarthak [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 13th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
I saw the show and loved it….because I have seen the last 3-4 days HT reporting biased pro-congress articles with alarcity. I mean they do it all the time but these days its not even subtle. The great thing is Arun Shourie is trending at no. 1 on twitter…so as much as HT might like to hide that comment of his a lot many people know about its “swallow and vomit journalism”
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(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
February 13th, 2011 at 7:16 pm
@Vijay
@Saarthak
Gentlemen, it is great that Mr. Shourie is appearing rather voluntarily before CBI on 21st. He is sure to spill the beans of 2G. He is at least one person whose integrity can not be doubted. He isa very straightforward and is very eager to speak. The CBI has admitted that they did not find anything improper with Mr. Shourie while he was a telecom minister, but they need to talk to him to know more about Raja and about 2G. That must be more scaring to UPA, especially Mr. Kapil Sibal. Indeed, Mr. Sibal has come out very poorly while defending his govt. and A. Raja vis-a-vis 2G scam. One can see his helplessness vis-a-vis Mr. Shourie’s tv interview while in conversation with Barkha. She herself looks to have lost all her aggression after her exposure in Radia tapes.
BNA
BNA
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 14th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
The question is different. The TRAI had given the Govt. three options with regard to unified telecom licences for the new and exisiting operators. As per the option chosen vide a Cabinet decision, the latter category was to pay a fee equal to the latest entrant in a circle and the new were to get it through a bidding process. Baijal unilaterally removed the distinction in a letter to Vinod Vaish.
The SC is monitoring the CBI probe. So wait before you jump to conclusions on the stength of one person’s version. Do you have anything to say about his claim that even his BJP colleauges —-Arun Jaitley and Sushma Swaraj — kept quiet like the PM under the influence of vested interests?
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 14th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
It is wrong to say that “they” have kept quiet.
They are anything but quiet.
Both the leaders of opposition have taken up the 2G scandal as a crusade against corruption, inside and outside the parliament, only because of which the nation has come to realise the enormity of the Spectrum Raja Loot.
Alas! we cannot say the same thing about your prime minister, who is still very much tongue-tied as are his boss and the prince.
As for the monitoring by SC, don’t you know how Teesta Setalvad misused the Supreme Court-monitored SIT to further her own nefarious agenda? What guarantee is there that the CBI too wouldn’t be manipulated by the Raja-Sonia gang, particularly when the stakes are so huge?
vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 14th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
Shenoy Saab,
It is becoming impossible to debate with you—- for you trust nobody, not even the courts. For every solution, you offer a problem. Not a manly trait really. :}}
vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 14th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
Good to hear you say that some bit of what Shourie has said is wrong.
(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
February 14th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
@ Vinod Sharma
Yes sir, Mr. Shourie did admit to have shared with his party leaders what he talked to the PM. But then the controversy of 2G did not arise overnight. It had been in the news since 2009 and may be the BJP leaders after having been privy to the information via Mr. Arun shourie were just waiting for the right moment to hit the hammer for an optimum effect. Sharma saheb, let us not get stuck in such trivial aspects of the controversy as the BJP leaders have themselves volunteered to be investigated for the 2G scam since 1998 as they are sure not to be hiding anything nor to have committed any improper act. Let the investigating agencies find the truth. Mr. Kapil Sibal, despite being an excellent advocate , is being seen as to be coming out very poorly because of his hasty arguments for the 2G spectrum as of zero loss to the exchequer. Now he will be seen to eat his own words.
To cut the story short, we all have to admit that the present govt. has been caught as never before in a series of scams and there does not seem to be any exit route. As if 2G was not enough, now the scam about S-band spectrum is an added stigma where the PM’s own department has been involved.
Let us not make it a boxing match as of Congress vs BJP, it is a national shame that all these scams occur while the UPA is in power. The positive point in all of these scams is the public awareness about the present govt. to be an epitome of corruption. That can be hardly denied by anyone through the jugglery of useless arguments ‘ you did it, so we did it”
Regards
BNA
BNA
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shalu says:
February 13, 2011 at 7:45 am
are u serious???if so ur a dimwit!!
public servants who take a constitutional oath and r looting the nation shuld be given even worst traetment than thives..ie a negative star jail..
ur tone sounds serious..and not sarcastic…
god save india from feudal mai baap people like u..
and u pretend to be educated just because ur english literate which shows ur feudal mindset like many others here…vernaculars make it to iits and iims on neutral tests like cat because they have brains.
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vijay Kumar says:
February 13, 2011 at 3:45 pm
~~~:( :( :( DANGER ! ! ~~ DANGER~~ DANGER ~~ DANGER ~~ :( :( :( ~~~
!~! INDIA’S STRATEGIC INTERESTS ABOUT TO BE SOLD SOON !~!
Something inside me says that Indian interests and security interests may soon be sold of in an Aman ki Aasha type of fiasco. Here is a list of signals .
a) Aman ki Aasha ads have again started appearing on TV
b) A weak government embroiled in corruption scams may try to brandish a foreign policy success with a peace accord with Pakistan, even to the extent of surrendering our security concerns. Maybe all for a Nobel peace prize or just buying peace
c) THe government is trying to buy Muslim votes by peddling the Rahul Ghandy line that Hindu terror is a bigger danger that LeT & co. To justify that they have equated 26/11 with Samjhouta. A real disaster because it does not at all balance the thirty years of Pakistani terror starting from Punjab to Parlaiment attack with J&K, Akshardham, Redfort etc being forgotton
d) Shah Qureshi has been removed– the big hurdle to rapproachment. However from our side the moronic Shankar Aiyar may suddenly appear peddling the line that US is a common enemy of India and Pakistan and Pakistani terrorists are Kindergarten students eating tundey Kababs,
I think we as Indians should be ready for this sell out and prepare strategies to combat it !
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Rajiv Reply:
February 13th, 2011 at 7:33 pm
Regarding talks with Pakistan, India should remember what the great Indian philosopher gyan-ratna said ” If you deal with a dirty rabid dog , you are likely to be bitten ” .
So have we not learnt a single lesson from the character and conduct of the of Pak in last 60 years ? Or is that diplomats with nothing else to do like to spend time in this meaningless but damaging exercises ?
In the Raymond David case even US is realizing that inspite of billions of dollars that it gave Pak in alms , it has not made an iota of difference to the vile character of Pakistan.
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Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 14th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
Talks should be held with a hidden goal to dismember Pakistan into 3 countries and to cultivate allies inside Pakistan to do the same :D
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shantiveer kaul [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 13, 2011 at 11:45 pm
Dear Vinod,
Why are you reproducing? You are perfectly capable of producing, on your own!
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shantiveer kaul [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 13th, 2011 at 11:58 pm
This was with reference to your original post, not the 400 plus responses to that – I simply did not read aka did unread them!
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 14th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
Dear Shanti,
I reproduced the article as there was no coverage of the event in the national media. As as you must have noticed, I have done so in a qualified way.
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ram autar says:
February 14, 2011 at 2:50 am
rajeev another homework for u,
Hindus behave like brainless moths
It is a formidable task for you to go on at your age. I hope you will have a band of young men to continue this movement. The main point in my article was to show the similarity between the behaviour of Hindu-Faithfuls and the moths. For millions of years all insects developed their nervous system to be guided by star-light or moon-light which are at optical-infinity. When they came into areas of man-made artificial lights they get dis-oreinted. They think they are going in straight line, but they fly into spirals around the lights. Hindus are made to believe by the wily priests that by going round and round the stone idols they will earn the grace of god to win a place in Vaikhunta [Lord Vishnu’s], being released from the cycle of birth and death. If a rich man builds a Balaji- Temple, people of the area rush there, just like moths when a second light is switched on. Or even at the reflection of the lamp in the pail of water. This should get wide publicity among youth. This is what I wanted to say in “Narayana Murthy & Brahmins
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ram autar says:
February 14, 2011 at 5:50 am
Muslim rule liberated Dalits & made them fight Hindu tyranny
SHREENATH JENA, QTR.NO.407, AT/PO IMMT, BHUBANESWAR – 751013
The Muslim period (800-1800AD) was the golden period for the natives — Dalits — when India again witnessed all-round development. They were no longer under the control of the parasitic Brahminical class.
Several reform movements led by many Dalit gurus did spring up to get rid of the Brahminical exploitation and fraud. So it was really a “Mukti movement” — not “Bhakti movement” as Manuvadi historians describe. All the revolutionary gurus like Kabir, Nanak, Ravidas, Namdev, Jai Dev raised the consciousness of people about their self-respect as against perpetual and psychic slavery.
The sole aim of this movement was to fight the anti-human, repressive caste system. All the gurus denied the authority of Sanskrit language and preached in simple mother tongue and launched the golden age of vernacular literature. In fact, it was a mass movement after the decline of Budhism. The all-round development among native Dalits was possible for the following reasons:
(1) Entry of sudras and Dalits into Muslim armed forces:- The founder of Turkish empire in India, Muhammad of Ghur, recruited lakhs of sudras-Dalits into his army, got them trained and defeated the Kshatriya kings supported by Brahmins. Up to 90% of the Muslim army comprised Dalits and sudras. With their help, the Muslim rulers conquered a vast empire and established their dominance for centuries. Because of this powerful army, Muslim emperors who were slaves, semi-cracks and being lame (polio) could rule this country without any problem.
(2) Big job opportunities: Lakhs of natives got jobs in Muslim palaces, gardens, farms and village offices. Some of them were elevated to powerful posts. Dalits felt proud when the Sultans treated them equally and embraced them. This brotherly treatment touched the heart of Dalits. Finally they quit their stinking village, where the nasty Brahminism treated them worse than pigs, and migrated to towns.
(3) Embraced Islam: Brahminism re-established itself by launching a counter-revolution against Budhism. They got back their lost dominant power. The king became nominal ruler or a puppet in the hands of Brahmin ministers or priests. The sudras-Dalits became the permanent slaves of the temples. Brahmins enforced the caste system in the extreme form. The natives became restless. To get rid of the caste oppression Dalits and shudras embraced Islam which liberated them once for all. For them the Muslims became the new gods.
The Sultans never tried forcible conversions. Conversions to Islam boosted their economic progress and social status. Islamic law and justice helped them.
(4) Economic development: Due to conversion and migration, the Dalits and sudras became better off. Economic activities and trade emphasised their economic condition. Strict policy of controlling the market price, scientific revenue policy became a blessing to the natives as they were not cheated by the traders and money-lenders. The introduction of currency, water canals for irrigation caused considerable development of both trading and farming which boosted the economic growth of Dalits and sudras.
These are some of the reasons that empowered the Dalits-shudras to fight Brahminical tyranny. During this period Brahmins meekly submitted and fell flat before the Muslim rulers.
Their “divine power”, Veda mantras, yagna powers, powers of god proved to be false before the Dalits. Brahmins bid goodbye to Kshatriyas and joined hands with the Vysyas, the trading caste.
The champions of “Mukti movement” were great revolutionaries who fought Brahminism but the facts are suppressed. We should pay our homage to these great ancestors who led the “Mukti movement” in medieval period.
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 14, 2011 at 8:04 am
Mo-Shit another homework for u,
Muslims behave like brainless moths
It is a formidable task for you to go on at your age. I hope you will have a band of young men to continue this movement. The main point in my article was to show the similarity between the behaviour of Muslim-Faithfuls and the moths. For millions of years all insects developed their nervous system to be guided by star-light or moon-light which are at optical-infinity. When they came into areas of man-made artificial lights they get dis-oreinted. They think they are going in straight line, but they fly into spirals around the lights. Muslims are made to believe by the wily Mullahs that by going round and round the stone Kaaba and farting on each others faces they will earn the grace of god to win a place in Jannat [Allah boy Harem where Mohammad resides], being released from the cycle of birth and enjoy boy hooris. If a muslim invader occupies an existing temple such as Kaaba , people of the area rush there, just like moths when a second light is switched on. Or even at the reflection of the lamp in the pail of water. This should get wide publicity among youth. This is what I wanted to say in “Mohammad & Syeds”
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ram autar Reply:
February 14th, 2011 at 9:00 am
good work 90%.come istamboul will get u good job.
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dimple says:
February 14, 2011 at 8:22 am
u call us gandhis killer ’s progeny…..
and u r the progeny of congress and people who eliminated hindus from kashmir,pakistan and bangladesh and yet decided to stay behind because of people like u who could not ev
be fair in the logic of division..
40 % land given to pakistan and yet 1/2 million killed and hindus eliminated from there..
and yet u nevr answer qs on hindus killed and cleansed there and in kashmir…
and even sikhs in 1984 is not true for u ..
and congress has giftedd u a minorities chairmanship…when u dont even know who is majority and minority..
ur whole world revolves around licking congress and their favorite votebank minority..
it is u peeople who created communal riots in 1947 and r responsible for all riots since 1947..
in otherwords u r responsible for the killing of millions…
in any decent country u wuld have been tried for treason long ago but u workd for looters who delight in looting food and water from the poor…
no wonder u r against development messia modi..
godse willingly went to the noose for this country…right or wrong..
and he alone does not make all individuals posting here..
u dont even acknowledge courts have acquited rss…
and u make up tales about saffron terror….
only in the shaitan world of congress can people like u be media…
u do not even know media is supposed to be watchdog of govt but u r a ghastly lapdog
hired to betray the country …no wonder all ur positiosn are being echoed by pakistan
latest being saffron terror used by it to negate any justice to 26-11..
now go and dance in joy in front of the hosues of the victims..
start with that constable kumble who singlehandedly arrested kasab and gave his life..
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ram autar Reply:
February 14th, 2011 at 9:10 am
nothing but bundle of lies.nothing better is expected from brhmnst.
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ram autar says:
February 14, 2011 at 9:13 am
good news rajeev translate
Subramanian Swamy predicts death to Hindus
OUR CORRESPONDENT
Bangalore: There is an interesting news. The Hindu terrorist party RSS controlling the Brahmana Jati Party (BJP) is likely to welcome the famous Vajpayee-baiter Subramanian Swamy, the Tamil Iyer having close connection with zionist Israel.
This poor fellow has been leading his one-man Janata Party for long. Still he gets good publicity in the “Brahmin toilet papers” because of his jati that keeps him in the limelight. Nobody else knows the power of publicity which can make and unmake a person. That is why the most cantankerous vaidiks have monopolised the media to safeguard their jati interest.
Role of Kanchi Swamy: The person who is now pushing Swamy, so far kept out by Vajpayee, into BJP is none other than the notorious Kanchi Swamy who was put in the jail for his many sex scandals and murders. But being a Brahmin, the Kanchi Swamy escaped all punishments (DV Jan.1, 2005 p.20: “DV’s 12-point chargesheet against Kanchi Swami”).
The Kanchi is grateful to Swamy (both Iyers) because he was the one person who went out of the way to defend the culprit whose very name stinks in Tamil Nadu.
Vajpayee love for good things: As the sun is setting over A.B. Vajpayee, the RSS thought this was the right time to allow Swamy to enter BJP. But Vajpayee has not forgiven his many shocking, public statements revealing Vajpayee’s taste for good things of life.
Bigwigs of the RSS including its chief Sudarshan were present in Delhi recently where Swamy’s book was released. But the one prediction made by Swamy in his book is very ominous to Hinduism which is the other word for Brahminism.
Suicide: He says the Hindus run the risk of “perishing like the ancient Greeks, Egyptians or Babylonians”.
Swamy knows who are the Hindus. The SC/ST/BCs (65%) are not Hindu. We congratulate Swamy for speaking this stark truth.
It is a fact the thinking sections of Brahmins are deeply worried over the imminent suicide of their tribe. The Jews are facing the same situation in Palestine.
The visible mental disorder in this minuscule 3% of Indians is the sole cause of their current abnormal behaviour — biting anybody and every passerby like a mad dog.
Why the Brahmins, the very rulers of India, are so desperate? Why do they feel threatened? Who is threatening the very Bhoodevatas?
Why the dog is biting Muslims, Dalits, Tribals, OBCs, women, Sikh, Christians and even their own women? It is because it is mad.
What do you do with the mad dog?
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ram autar says:
February 14, 2011 at 9:29 am
rajeev tumhari zaroor bachpan mein musalmanoo ne g=maree hai.tumse bada chutia blog par koye nahi ata hai.
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 14th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
Pl stop this Mr Ram Autar. If you continue with this kind of abusive language, I will shut you out of this site. Pl treat it as final wraning.
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ram autar Reply:
February 14th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
i am sorry but he is simply mad.instead of awnsering he starts abusing our prophet.why.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 14th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
Vinodji,
Finally, under your threat of throwing him out, this closet jihadi has revealed his identity. It shows how excited these jihadis become when somebody “insults” or denigrates their prophet. Now, please ask him why he chose to insult our God, Lord Ram, by taking his name.
Anyway, congratulations.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 14th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
Rahman Autar,
mujhe lagta hai, aap ek naye Mussalmani hain, iss liye bahut jyada hai, hai kar rahe hain.
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 14th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
He even confessed that muslims are mostly gay…now what else is left.
I respect beliefs of those who respect mine. Simple…
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B.V.SHENOY says:
February 14, 2011 at 11:09 am
Vinodji,
I am aghast that my last post here in reply to Dr.Anand has been removed. What was so objectionable in the post?
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 14th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
Pl stop feigning outrage. Like in the past, pl repost it and it will stay. I have never removed posts regardless of their content.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 14th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
The shock was genuine, not feigned.
But now, it doesn’t matter. In any case, it was not such an earth shaking post that it needs to be reposted.
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Vinay Reply:
February 14th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
Shenoyji,
Sometimes I too have have come across this problem.
The common thing I noticed between my rejected posts were, they contained some web links, which were not of known journals. Server might just reject them. We have seen the word “paaki”, if written correctly, will be deleted even if it is not used in any derogating manner. Servers are not humans.
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SKS_Mumbai says:
February 14, 2011 at 11:16 am
@Ram-Autar the Gutsy
This is for you alone, whose predecessors Ruled this Land from 800-1800 years and which was the Golden period for “dalits”. Now everything I say below, is based on accepting your version of everything (which I am sure is the only Truth)
Firstly, our sympathies that the “Golden rule” of your ancestors the “Ferocious Muslim”( a term I’ve taken from your scholarly posts on HT blogs) was ground to dust by the British (I am sure that they would have taken the help of the “Vile Bramhins”).
But if the British with support of just 15% of Bramhins (who couldn’t have been in the pink of the health at that time, unless the Muslim Rulers were secretly backing them) managed to whack the Mughal sultanate, despite the latter ruling for 1000 yrs and despite the support of 85% happy people (in the “pink” of their health, as per your accounts), what makes you think that future would be different?
Have you worked out a plan? If so can you enlighten us what that plan is? Don’t worry about the secrecy of your plan, the Vile Bramhins would anyway find out. Okay u may want to keep it secret, but can you at least share with us what wld the 2nd Golden age look like?
But more importantly how would you ensure that the 2nd Golden age doesn’t end the way first did? U know 200 yrs of scheming by 15%’ cancelled out the hard and honest work of 1000 years, done by Muslims with the support of 85%.
Please don’t repeat another story from past, I’ve learnt enough from your scholarly productions, I just want to know about future.
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ram autar Reply:
February 14th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
NOT U 3%BRHMNS but other greedy individuals were also involve.end result was completet destruction and robbery of india with the help some dallals.
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Pankaj#1 Reply:
February 15th, 2011 at 6:47 am
@ Ram autar
if you are real, come to this side of border, and I will personally deal with you. my promise.
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Vijay Kumar says:
February 14, 2011 at 2:09 pm
@ Vinod Sharma,
a)I think we need to boot out this fake guy called Ram Autar. He is pushing the debate into a drain….
b) Do you think some scheme of Indo Pak breakthrough is underway with Aman ki aasha suddenly coming back and the loudmouth Qureshi out of the way?
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Vijay Kumar says:
February 14, 2011 at 2:14 pm
@ Vinod Sharma,
If talks are underway with Pakistan, why not have a blog poting on why me must/must not talk…
Or what we should do to get the best out of the vile unreliable neighbour…
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 14th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
Gud idea. Shall post it over the next couple of days.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 14th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
But this time please make the blog your own, not a reflection from a cracked mirror, of somebody’s (Mani Shankar Aiyar?) stale ideas.
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 14th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
U too respond with your own original ideas. No carbon copying please from you know where :) )
Jokes apart, shall like to engage in some serious discussion this time. Enough of monkeying around. No?
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B.V.SHENOY says:
February 14, 2011 at 3:06 pm
Vinodji,
you said,”Shenoy Saab,
It is becoming impossible to debate with you—- for you trust nobody, not even the courts. For every solution, you offer a problem. Not a manly trait really. :}} Good to hear you say that some bit of what Shourie has said is wrong”.
You are right about the manly part, because like Teesta, a devilish woman(?), we have to contend with another woman, Sonia Gandhi. You cannot say, just to disprove me, that Teesta has not tried to undermine the SC itself. Moreover, as recently as a fortnight back, the SC changed its own judgement in the case of Steines murder under pressure from a handful of editors and jholawalas. So, my original question whether there is any guarantee about the SC getting undermined stands.
Arun Shourie is a great journalist and a proven administrator with clean hands and near-empty pockets. I respect him greatly. Nothing can shake that. But, I also know that Arun Jaitley took up the issue of 2G scam in parliament as early as in 2009.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 14th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
“A Senior Congress leader from Kerala, K Sudhakaran, has alleged that in 1994, a Supreme Court judge had pocketed Rs 36 lakh to lift a Kerala High Court ban on 21 bar licences in the state.”
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ved says:
February 15, 2011 at 7:49 am
Oye pseudo Sharma, RSS kahan ghused diya isme.Abe sharam kar. A few dozen Hindus decide to teach a lesson to Jihadis because your secular Congress is in love with Miyas for their votes. RSS kahan hai.Do you know what RSS stands for? Your daughter and wife are safe only because of RSS. jBesharm one third India men too mooh nahi dikha sakta aaj. Baat karta hai Hindu terrorism ki.Kashmir ja kar dikha. Panjab ,Baluchistan , Afghanistan , Bangladesh men apni manhoos shakal dikha.
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 15th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
Shishu Niketan key product lagtey ho. Jabaan bilkul tapoorion wali hai tumhari.
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V.K.CHAWLA Reply:
February 17th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
IN THE SAME WAY YOU ARE ALSO A PRODUCT OF PSEUDO SECULAR CONGRESSI CULTURE WHICH HAS DESTROYED THE BHARAT , BHARTIYA & EACH THING CONNECTED WITH THESE . THIS PSEUDO SECULARISM CONGRESSI CULTURE HAS DEVELOPED PREMIUM ON DISHONESTY , CORRUPTION , NATIONALISM , PATRIOTISM , INDIANNESS BUT ALSO PUT HEAVY DISCOUNT ON HONESTY , NATIONALISM , PATRIOTISM . YESTERDAY WHEN I SAW MANNU BHAI’s MEDIA CONFERENCE I WAS STUNNED HOW MEEK HE WAS LOOKING , NO “DUM’ IN HIS VOICE & CONVICTIONS WHILE ANSWERING , TRIED TO SCUTTLE THE QUESTIONS OF EDITORS , TRIED TO SIDELINE THE BURNING ISSUES IN THE COUNTRY , TRIED TO EVADE THE QUESTIONS , HAVE TO READ FROM PREPARED TEXT ANSWERS . HIS VOICE WAS QUIVERING MANY A TIMES . HE DID NOT ANSWER WHY THIS PRESS CONFERENCE WAS BEING HELD , EVADED THE DIRECT ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION. HE NEEDED HELP OF A PERSON WHO WAS INTERVENING IN MEDIA CONFERENCE TO SCUTTLE THE QUESTION . HE GAVE STRANGE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED REGARDING THE NATIONAL EXCHEQUER’s LOSS IN 2G SCAM MIXING IT WITH SUBSIDY LOSS ON PETROLEUM PRODUCTS , FERTILISERS , PDS SYSTEM etc.
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payal says:
February 18, 2011 at 7:22 am
yeah bjp and congress r same according to shrma…yeah modi chuhan and nitish kumara and patnaik are all bedfellows in corruption…and this guy is claiming o be an editor…
why did u hide this bjp= congress article below..now he will censor this
The victory of BJP today is not just limited to Gujarat’s Khadia assembly by-poll. Read the story below. While BJP won four and BJP supported candidate won 1 seat, Congress is nowhere in picture:
BJP today made a clean sweep of all the four assembly seats where bypolls were held in party-ruled Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh and Jharkhand while Trinamool Congress, with tacit support of the saffron party, emerged triumphant in one seat in Manipur.
In Jharkhand, Chief Minister Arjun Munda (BJP) defeated Congress and Babulal Marandi”s Jharkhand Vikas Morcha (P) alliance candidate Dasrath Gagrai.
BJP wrested Kukshi seat in Madhya Pradesh from Congress for the first time after 21 years with its nominee Mukam Singh Kirade defeating rival Nisha Singhar by over 16,000 votes.
The party retained Gujarat”s Khadia seat, its bastion for the last 25 years, when its candidate Bhushan Bhatt emerged victorious defeating Congress” Jagat Shukla.
In Chhattisgarh, ruling BJP”s candidate Kumari Bai Sahu won Sanjari Balod seat beating her nearest rival Mohan Patel of Congress by nearly 9,500 votes.
The electoral battle in Manipur”s Konthoujam constituency saw Trinamool Congress candidate K Sarat prevailing over Congress candidate S Ranjan by 655 votes. The TC candidate had the tacit support of BJP and Manipur People”s Party, a regional outfit.
Mamata Banerjee-led Trinamool Congress is a constituent of Congress-led UPA government at the Centre and is likely to have an alliance with Congress in coming assembly polls in West Bengal.
Congress sought to downplay its defeat saying local factors decide results in such elections while BJP claimed it was a “victory of its fight against corruption”.
BJP is ruling in Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh, Jharkhand and Chhattisgarh while in Manipur there is a Congress-led coalition government.
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SKS_Mumbai says:
February 19, 2011 at 5:32 pm
Question for HT journalists:
How does it feel to be fighting a losing battle at multiple fronts?
Battle: Defending the Clan and its cronies.
Multiple fronts:Newspaper, Internet, News TV etc.
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SKS Mumbai says:
February 7, 2011 at 1:14 pm
Dear all,
Now that Vinod Sharma jee has seen “Guts” in Ram Avtar, expect soon one of the “Aiswarya Rai victim of Bramhin conspiracy” kind of articles and this wasn’t entirely unexpected.
Good Going Vinod Sharma jee. Very good going.
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SKS_Mumbai says:
February 7, 2011 at 2:09 pm
So Ram Autar is gutsy?
Good going Vinod Sharma jee, very good
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Praveen Saxena says:
February 7, 2011 at 2:22 pm
Don’t worry friends , that chap is just one of the fugitives from Batla House, who is trying to find shelter in HT Blogs.
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Vijay Kumar says:
February 7, 2011 at 2:27 pm
@ Shenoy, Praveen Saxena, Rajiv, Rajeev, Sks, Dr Anand…
I am giving the gist of joseph Goebbels theory through which the Nazis tried to rule. How do you intrepret it in modern day context when we are being told that Hindus were behind 26/11 and Loot by Congress is being hidden.
This is what Goebbels said
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
ironies of life never end —- look who’s quoting whom? Chip of the same block, no?
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Vinodji,
By the same logic, when you have quoted Shabnam Hashmi- very approvingly too- that the Godhra Train burning was done by Hindus, it means that you too agree and believe that the Hindus themselves killed the 79 Ram bhakts in the train, No?
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
What a lie. Have I quoted her approvingly? I just forwarded Sikand’s piece where she is quoted as one of the speakers. I never fully endorsed the write up before putting it forward for a debate — that has been turned into an unending cycle of abuse by you and your embedded mates.
vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
Breaking News Breaking News Breaking News
A talkative, immature member of the Sanghi Mutual Admiration and You-Scratch-My-Back-I-Scratch-Yours society has exposed other core members of the group. They are SEVEN of them. But do they all sit in one cyber cafe or basement or cave or some headquarter?
Must be a cave—- given their medieval mindsets.
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Praveen Saxena Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
Some Print journalists spending too much time in TV studios ?
B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
Vinodji,
Actually they are seventy, may be more-not just seven as you say. But, as against the seventy you have one solid approver-the Vinod Bhakt Ram Autar of doubtfulnationality and religion. You have approved him too as a non-fake, non-sanghi brave heart. And he is overground too!
B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Vinodji,
Is it possible for seven primitive cavemen in their goatskin lungoties to shoot poisened arrows at the most avant garde editor of the most liberal, secular newspaper in the world?
(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 6:38 pm
@Vinod Sharma ji
No sir, they do not sit any where. They have interaction only at a blog site hosted by Shri Vinod Sharma. In deed he is one who acts as a glue stick.
BNA
V.K.CHAWLA Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 11:28 pm
Are you not a fake Vinod Sharma with a closed tarred mind , filled with cow dung , being churned CONTINUOUSLY by congressi pseudo secular khichdi giving foulest smell in the nearby who have forced you ‘TITTER BITTER’ in a hurry
Praveen Saxena Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
Vijay
This has been going on since the days of Nehru . It is a Left- Congress- foreign conspiracy to whitewash the brains of the people . The entire History has been altered by the gang from JNU who are addressed as ‘Eminent Historians” . Those who refuse to toe the line are called Rank Rightists, Communalists, etc etc. Use caste to divide the Hindus, and unite the Minorities into vote banks.
Like we see in TV debates those who represent the ruling dispensation are never introduced as being so. But those who differ are immediately called BJP sympathisers , Right wingers etc etc
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V.K.CHAWLA Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 11:38 pm
The Congress Party had very cleverly introduced a course of coarse meal in its hidden agenda through which it had ruled us . The coarse meal is ‘ pseudo secular khichdi ‘ , which has played havoc in our country . The result is before us , how Mannu Bhai declares that muslims have first right on national money , national exchequer . No whimper in the air . A national flag can’t be unfurled at LAl Chowk in Sri Nagar as separatists objects it . How silly , all bootlickers of Congress supports the unwarranted , illegal decision of chief minister of J & K and there is no opposition from so called democratic parties , eyeing for muslims votes .
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Vijay Kumar says:
February 7, 2011 at 3:01 pm
@ Vinod Sharma,
Cmon Vinodji, now don’t fall victim to a Zakir Naik type of conspiracy theory that we are all against you !! :) :)
I think you should rather do a “SACH KA SAAMANA….”
That the COngress is playing a Joseph Goebbels type of game… And making fun of the dead farmers and the bravehearts who fight the vevil forces from across the border… i.e jahunnam… :D
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
Dear Mr Faux Nationalist,
Have you ever thought of joining the Army? If not, kindly don’t show shakti like the Shiv Sena does by burning buses. They burn buses, you try to burn reputations. You don’t succeed because you take on those whose integrity is way beyond yours.
As for conspiracy theories, your mindset takes you closer to those who have been actually hatching conspiracies since Independence. The victim of their first conspiracy was Mahatma Gandhi.
The biggest irony however is that faux nationalists don’t have a single martyr to show from amongst there leaders. That is why they appropriate the martyrdom of sons of India like Unnikrishnan. They
did that in 1999 by carrying the shaheed jawans bodies to their native villages and showing their funerals on local cable networks to whip up emotions later translated into votes. What hypocrisy! What a shame. Stop this politics of funeral pyres and pind daans.
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Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
@ Vinodji,
C’mon Sharmaji, I may not be in the Army but my heart is with the Indian Army which protects us from the forces of evil who want to destroy our nation. And yes, as an engineer, I have done two projects for the army and dine with our commandos regularly… :)
And I am most hurt when someone chooses to make fun of bravehearts like Sandeep Unhikrishnan by saying that Pakistan is’nt behind this… it was a Hindu conspiracy.
And yes, I would request you not to make fun of the way India faced upto the terrorist challenge thrown in the Kargil, because then the nation stood together. Nobody whipped up emotions when they saw the dead bodies of their soldiers. ALL of INDIA had a tear in the eye.
And you have to admit that Jaswant Singh’s performace then was much much better then that of the present Congress Minister, who was bullied by Shah Mehmood Qureshi, quite recently…
I am as much against the Shiv Sena as I am against the looters in 2G and their spin doctors :D
As for
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Dinning with commandos. Well, what a claim, what vanity. And Kargil? Whose failure was it in keeping vigil on our borders? The Pakis came into our territory and your leaders slept. Then they won elections by orchestrating the first televised war in which others lost their sons.
And to add insult to injury they clapped when Bill Clinton called Vijay Diwas a triumph of American diplomacy. So much for your admiration for Jaswant Singh. Wake up please. There is more to the world than visible to you naked eye.
vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
Oh, you also represent the farmers’ cause? I thought you and your seven accomplices are reps of galla vyaparis who exploit the farmers. Go see Godaan again. Go see Mother India and in kanhaiya lal’s character you’d see the reflection of your leaders. Those who fake and put on so much outrage are the ones who never allow change. They are status quoists who profiteer under any regime or dispensation.
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Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
@ Vinod Sharma,
If you are not in the Army, it does not mean that you cannot be patriotic. And by the way I have also sponsored a book written by one of our commandos on fighting terrorists and that book is now mandatory reading by many armies all over the world. And the work we did at the army headquarters does stand out in quality as compared to what other consultants and contractors. I did not want to talk about this but you provoked me into it.
As for blaming BJP for the Kargil war, I can shoot back a question. You went with Vajpayee to Lahore…. sir how many articles did you write then that the Pakistanis cannot be trusted and are bound to backstab you…?
Clinton may have made a claim, like all politicians do… but was he here to throw out the terrorists?
You have to acknowledge that Jaswant Singh was storm of fresh air in our foreign office and his engagement with Stobe Talbott marked a change in our foreign policy which was floundering after Non alignment had died and idiots like Mani Aiyar had an undue say, causing an isolation.
India matters to the world now!
Go back into history. In th first Gulf war, Chandrashekhar had to hunt around the world for someone to talk to. And finally he could only connect to the PM of Nepal…
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
If your favourite G Parthasarathy did not know as our High Commissioner about it, how would I know?
But leave that alone. Would I be wrong if I were to conclude that you are an Arms agent and your nationalistic jig is aimed at ingratiating with faujis to promote your business or that of the company for which you work? If that is so, please don’t use this blog as a forum.
As for Strobe Talbott, you haven’t really read the book. Parliament was never infomed what Jaswant was talking to him. It was in the middle of these talks, Vajpayee promised to turn de jure India’s de facto moratorium on nuclear tests in his speech at the UN.
Any straight answers?
Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
@ Vinod Sharma,
Me an arms agent!! That’s funny… the mother of conspiracy theories!! I am an environmental engineer who runs his own small company !
But yes, I have heard of arms dealers. Including one called Win Chadha. And you know whom he dealt with and who was his puppet string puller :D
And who let him fly to Dubai…. :)
As for G Parthsarthy, yes I admire him for his brilliant insight and forthright guts. As High Commissioner in Pakistan he would not have known what conspiracy was being unleashed. Especially after the orginal Kabab eaters called Mani Aiyar and IK Gujral had dissolved all our RAW assets in the name of Indo- Pak friendshp and Jhelum diplomacy :)
Vut today he does take the bull by the horn, unlike some others who are willing to concede our interests just to attend an Indo Pak mushaira… Or some others who could have been comprimised like Madhuri Gupta :D
Pankaj#1 Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
@ Vijay
Hey,Vijay.
Vinod has long term amnesia now. Mother and father of all negligience, surrendering of Tibet and our northern borders to our chini bhai. His favorite Congress forgot to guard it and handed over to China on a platter. So many brave hearts died then and even then, we could not recover land. In Kargil, we lost our brave hearts but got our land back. Very conveniently, Vinod has alternate long term and short term amnesia.
(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
@Vinod Sharma ji
Yes, I too see a Kanhaiya Lal’s character in the central minister and the former Maharashtra CM Mr. Deshmukh. I understand this money sucker has been fined Rs. 10 Lakhs by the apex court for having stood in the way of someone lodging an FIR against an MLA of Maharashtra assembly. In fact, the lower court had fined him Rs. 25 thousands but when the minister went for an appeal in the apex court, no only the fine was upheld but also hiked to 25 lakhs.
Now some judges of the apex court have termed the appointment of Mr. Deshmukh as a central minster a shameful act.
I do not think the apex court is run by the saffron party.
Indeed by indulging in such low rhetorics, you are not impressing any one but only sullying your own image as a leading ( but biased) journalist in the country.
BNA
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
Dear Mr Environment Engineer,
For whom are you engineering the political environment? The Nagpur wallahs? Or are you a mere sub-contractor under one Yeddy bhakt with a glad eye.
V.K.CHAWLA Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 12:13 am
How naive your replies are , @ Vinod Sharma . You want to say that traders belongs to one party only , how silly your conclusions are . If rightly traders are looting then the poor people likes of you , then then the Govt. of the day is fully responsible for all this nonsense . What Govt. machinery , its minions , its bootlickers are doing . Keep warming their hands with graft from all these traders . Have you not heard the trader cell of congress party in every state , though you keep on taking sides with congress party , blindly . If you are really a journalists of some knowledge , then you will have known the open ended story in Seventees , Eightees how congress Cabinet decisions reach a trader named Dhiru Bhai Ambani , how carbon papers with which policy decisions were typed in those days , reaches Dhiru Bhai , even before the world news knows those secret parleys & decisions . How this traders imported five times of its licensed productions in congressi hey days . You could not fathom the underlyings foolish policies of congress era , so you are trying to unleash the things which looks silly . You talk of Kargil war bunglings by NDA but you very conveniently forget why Indira Gandhy chose to sign Simla pact . Why when it was agreed that a line of control will be established by both countries & marked officially , which was unmarked till then since 1947 , was not marked . Why it was decided that in winter both sides will retreat to their base stations & will reoccupy their positions in May of summer , every year. It had become a routine since 1972 . Why Indira failed to acheive , with thousands of miles of westren Pak area & one lac Pak Soldiers in its kitty , through Simla Pact when the solution to Kashmir tangle could have generated . But She chose to bail out the Bhutto who had vowed to fight India for one thousands years in 1970 , even the Pak have to eat grass roties , for sparing money for war fares withIndia . Even though Pak had again played a dirty tricks by making bunkers & creating advance positions in winter , NDA fought back these dirty tricks of PAK . By indulging in dirty tricks & rheotorics , Vinod Sharma has really makes me wonder how journalism has sunk to new lows. Who in the first place had created such a headache in Kashmir , by bungling after bungling , It was Congress & Nehru who sidelined Patel to handle this issue .
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V.K.CHAWLA Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 10:59 pm
Perhaps you are unaware that during the misrule of Maha Corrupt congressi , the biggest discount have been showered on ” Patriotism , Honesty , Nationalism because of their nonsense useless policies . The heavy premium has been assigned to anti nationalism , black money , corruption , dishonesty , shoe polishing of chief ministers by their PSO . so what is happening in our country should not surprise to anyone . As this is all fault of all those who are voting for congress for any valid reason , all those who have become first rated “CHATUKARS ” ” CHARANBHAKATS” & “SHOE POLISHERS of political class ” . Can God save our country , I doubt it very much.
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Vijay Kumar says:
February 7, 2011 at 3:03 pm
@ Praveen Saxena,
You are right that our history is being misrepresented. By this rate some Goebbels type historian will surely write that 26/11 was an inside job and Godhra train was a suicide…
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Praveen Saxena says:
February 7, 2011 at 3:30 pm
Who is that serving Cabinet Minister and to which party does he belong for whose deed the Govt Of Maharashtra was made pay a penalty by the Supreme court ? That serving Hon’ble Minister was protecting a Money Lender ? No
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Praveen Saxena Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
And was he not the gentleman CM who took a along a filn producer to the TAJ to get the Right plot for his next film. Just some ” Binnes ‘ I suppose
Hum to Ainvayee Ainvayee Ainvayee lut gaye
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(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
@ Parveen Saxena
Yes Sir, I have already answered your quiz before even reading the question.
BNA
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Vijay Kumar says:
February 7, 2011 at 3:40 pm
@ Praveen,
Arre baba, woh toh Congressi hai !! Sau khoon maaf hai uske. But he has to first shout out “BJP… BJP… BJP” even if a mouse runs up his pajamas… :D
That is what Joseph Goebbels taught the Congress na… :D
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B.V.SHENOY says:
February 7, 2011 at 4:00 pm
Vinodji,
you said, “The biggest irony however is that faux nationalists don’t have a single martyr to show from amongst there leaddmitted….”
Admitted, we don’t have a single martyr. You, as a congressi have a surfeit of martyrs; was and is that why you have thrown a few -in fact some of the truest, greatest martyrs-like Bhagat Singh and Rajguru into the dustbins of History?
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Talk about your leaders please. Don’t try to appropriate Bhagat Singh and Rajguru (who were left leaning) like the way you have tried to steal the legacy of Patel, Shastri, Gandhi, Azad and even Sanjay Gandhi. You have nothing to show of your own except Savarkar and Munjee who drew inspiration from Mussolini.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Sonia Gandhi’s father too was a great admirer of Mussolini. In fact he faught in his army as a foot soldier. But, I think woh sub chalta hai. Hai Naa, Vinodji?
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veer bhallal Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 11:54 pm
raj gur left leaning, you are poor in history, tutored by sonia
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
Pahle zara desh ke liye khoon bahao phir tirangey ko apna banao. Fake nationalism mat dikhao.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
Hum log desh ke liye khoon baaayen, aur aap akhbarwale Radiia madam se saath milke desh ko loot len, yeh kahaan ka nyaay hai Vinodji?
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
I expect some logical replies —- not a string of ramblings ….radia, sonia’s father, hamara khoon, tumhara khoon. The Reddy alter ego has lost his marbles. And his bagal bachchas are rooting hard to keep up his morale. What a spectacle….Bada parivar, dukhi parivar.
veer bhallal Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 11:49 pm
ya bjp already lost his tallest leaders for the sake of protecting country interest, have some sense of historical knowledge, read about shyama prasad mukherji and deendayal upadyaya, come out from back yard of ten janpath
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veer bhallal Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 11:56 pm
learn about nanaji deshmukh, learn his sacrifice, not sonia’s sacrifice
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Praveen Saxena says:
February 7, 2011 at 4:25 pm
Shenoy Saab
In Allahabad Chandrashekhar Azaad died fighting the British police. But except for that part of the Park , there is nothing named after him. But the Medical College, the Engineering college, the Mangement Institute are all named after Motilal Nehru. The govt hospital is named afte Swarup Rani Nehru. I wonder was their contribution to India’s freedom movement , with all respect due to them as they are no more , more than that of Chandrashekhar Azaad.
The Nehru family are the only martyrs ,Congress wants to remember.
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
Was Chandrashekhar Azad an RSS member? No. Stop dropping names that have nothing to do with your thinking. Azad was a revolutionary. You are a reactionary.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Was Azaad a corrupt congressman, stealing thousands of crores from the people of Inida? Why do you think that you have any more right to take his name than some cavemen sanghis, Vinod Babu?
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
Azad used the gun to challenge to the British, not Mahatma Gandhi whom your ideological ancestors killed. That gave India its first Hindu terrorist in Godse.
Praveen Saxena Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
Azaad was a revolutionary, I am a reactionary , are you not being perfunctory ?
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
You don’t get the meaning of what I say but you insist on commenting. I don’t want to call you a half wit. But you come across as one…..with your silly alliteration.
Praveen Saxena Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 10:15 am
Left with nothing , hurl expletives….
A dispassionate compilation of the comments from the visitors to the Blog and the host shall show who has lost his sense of balance and reason
veer bhallal Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
but azad was not definitely a nehru stooge
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
Praveen,
Pl. desist from dragging Azad and Bhagat Singh in this lowly debate. It is great insult to those martyrs.
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
Look who is talking about insult. A man who calls his dad buddha. What a hypocrite. Where did you study you ill-mannered creature?
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 12:09 am
Does it hurt you Buddha? I definitely respect my parents more than you do.
You will sell your parents to please your congressi masters.
nirav Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 6:06 am
Rajeev,
Great job…..
It seem some one was feeling he was sweet 16 all this while because the tooth fairy sonia(also a part time bar tender ) blessed him:
Vinod sharma btw has lost all his credibility as an independant news reported/journalist..
He is more of a clown and source of entertainment….and most of us are here to for seeing as to how low some people can fall in national media and mock and laugh at these jokers who think people take them seriously.
I remember the song for him…
“Bade miyan Diwane aise na bano,
Sonia kya chahe humse suno”
It seems there is literally no love lost here:) :) )
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Vijay Kumar says:
February 7, 2011 at 4:35 pm
@ Praveen Saxena,
There was a UP Congress leader called KN Singh in eighties, who tried to tell the people that Nehrus were plain and simple ordinary janata. He made the mistake of saying that I know some Nehrus who are rickshw pullers.
Mrs Gandhi banished him so far in exile that he was never heard of again!! :)
That’s what happens when u r more loyal than the king !
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Praveen Saxena says:
February 7, 2011 at 4:41 pm
Shenoy Saab , Congress party hum logon ka itna khoon pee chuky hai ki ab aam aadmi mein khoon bacha hi kahan .
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
Achcha ji. Khoon choos liya tumhara. Is that the way brave men talk?
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Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
@ Vinod Sharma.
C’mon Vinodji, Praveen was’nt talking about you. But about the marauders who looted in 2g or took 15% in highway contracts. And make money by land use change as in Haryana….
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Praveen Saxena Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
Ji kyonki aap ka khoon khoon aur hamara paani.
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Vijay Kumar says:
February 7, 2011 at 5:00 pm
@ Vinodji,
Sir, Shenoy sahab has pointed out the name of one ITlalian gentleman who fought in Mussolini’s army. Err… do you have any comments????????/ :D ??????
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
If that is so you must respect him the way you respect Savarkar and Munjee…..
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
Vinodji,
you are now talking like an irrascible school master, who is given to chiding his students when asked intelligent questions to which he has no answer.
Sonia Gandhi ke baare mein math bolo,
Musslolini ke baare mein main boloonga,
lekin Sonia Gandhi ke baap ke baare mein math poocho,
Savarkar ke baare mein main boloonga,
lekin Bhagath Singh ke baare mein mat poocho,
Vajapayee aur Kargil ke baare mein main boloonga,
magar Nehruji aur unki Pakistan ki taraf udarata,
aur Kashmir ka aadha hissa kaise bhent kiya woh math poocho,
Bachchon, dekho, mere haath mei kyaa hai?
Bachche: danddddddddddddaaaaaaaaaaaa, masterji…………….
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
Shall not react any more to such pathetic lines. By the way, the man your ancestors killed —- Mahatma Gandhi— has been voted the greatest ever political icon by Time magazine, together with Emperor Akbar. Any regrets that your ideological brother pumped bullets into a frail man — who showed udarta towards Pakistan?
Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
Sharmaji,
Do you agree with omission of Ashoka the Great?
nirav Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 4:49 am
there you go,,,,,The only measure of nationalism is respect to italy …and its mistress…Vinod Sharma has done PHD in loyalty and lickery for sonia…..so he is the greatest nationalist.
Look at the double standards or rather sub standards of the man we called sharma and has no sharam…
1)He smiles stupidly and gleefully debated modi issue and riots,amit shah,pragya thakur, and his so called hindu terror when the court is still debating the issues however when it comes to CVC he keeps barking his line let the court decide and dont debate on television.
2)He is running like a dog for a bone when he bulds on the stupid and dangerous comments his chota master rahul baba makes on hindu terror being more dangerous than LET.
That too just months after 26/11.
3)His heart bleeds for innocent muslims…what about innocent hindus,sikhs,?But then that is his job..he is paid for what he calls a non profit office he holds:)
4)He is asking all to join the army…bade miyan look in the mirror first
5)He keeps reminding Ghodse…why does he forger Rajiv gandhi and 1984 riots…So if you kill one person you are terrorist and if you kill thousands you can be PM and master of Vinod sharma,,,
6)he is educating restraint and manners to poeple on the blog when he calls peoples ancestors killers,and dumb witted and what not…900 chuhe kha ker billli haj ko chali…
7)When BJP speaks for hindus they are ghdse and terrorists and so on…when the PM says Muslims have first right to all resources he is secular…Why do they pay more taxes or have they spilled more blood for the country…or just beacuse they are vote banks
Vinod sharma is beyond repair…he is congress undercover underwear that covers all their privates:)
I always believe “an honest politican is one who when bought remains bought”
Now i say that “An honest Journalist is one who when bought remains bought”
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V.K.CHAWLA Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
If the present condition of our country i.e. Scam after scam that also of , not thousands crores but lac crores ( our 90% population perhaps could not count how many Zeros will follow a digit to make it a lac crores ) , such a high degree of corruption , dishonesty in our UPA’s rule or misrule , law & order problems in cities , the M.K.Gandhi , Chander Shekhar , Bhagat Singh , S.C.Bose , Lala Lajpat Rai & likes of others who gave their might , time ,energy rule & everything in fighting English rule of East India company , would have died of shame after seeing how congress party have disgraced everything they have fought for this country , how congress party has doomed this country with its misrule all these years , how congress party is looting its poor countrymen by scam after scam , how shamelessly congress party is doing everything which no democratic party should not have done.
veer bhallal Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
we respect savarkar, because he was not a womanizer, never spoken half truths, never practiced bramhacharya with innocent girls, never justified killing of shraddhananda, never called Hindus timid fellow and Muslims the aggressors.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
Vijay Kumar,
Vinodji has asked you to respect Mr.Maino, the Fascist father of Sonia Maino just as you respect Savarkar.
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
Next non-congress govt. should discover true roots of this Sonia gandhi. She displays fascist tendencies just like her father.
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
Nice to see you all squiriming.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Vinodji,
far from squirming some of us at least are laughing our hearts out at the slavish behaviour of the Sonia brigade, her courtiers, court attendants, ‘ji-huzur-ewallahs and pallu-hangers-on. Many of hese people protrate before her and wait for hours daily for mata-darshan outside the gates of 10Janpath.
Abominable, desecrable and terribly demeaning. All because she has a white skin.
vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
Your reply is proof of your discomfort. Look how a Yeddy bhakt is calling others names. By the way, did you read your leader’s declaration of assets. He never evaluated the jewellery he has to add to the final count of his wealth. What a fake couple you two make.
vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
Are you guys proud that your ancestors killed Mahatma Gandhi?
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veer bhallal Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
are you guys proud of yassin malliks the rapist of poor hindu girls
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 7, 2011 at 6:46 pm
PLEASE ANSWER RAJEEV
Do you call your mom and dad buddhe-buddha. If yes, how do they take it?
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
Also don’t say that the Time magazine’s is a rigged list because it does not include any of your parivar wallahs. :) )
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ishwar Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 8:33 pm
And does the list also include Sonia?
How long would you keep fooling people in the name of Gandhi.
Is Sonia anyway related to the Mahatma to carry the surname. This was done to get the votes. How come Nehru’s daughter became a Gandhi?
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
This list is made from western perspective.
Can you believe that they have left out Indira gandhi (who created Bangladesh) but included US poodle Thatcher?
They have Salahuddin but omitted Ashoka (who was mainly behind the propagation of buddhism in Asia).
This list is purely based on how west percieves certain people in their history. If orient comes up with its own list, it would be very different.
I don’t reject this list but its is definitely not based on eastern history and thought process.
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 10:24 pm
By the way, since when anti-american people like Sharmas have started respecting US views.
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 11:25 pm
Sharmaji,
Even your hero NEHRU called MK Gandhi Buddha after India gained Independence and Nehru became PM courtesy Nehru’s Buddha Gandhi.
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
Vinodji,
I have learnt all this Badtameezi from you. You replies in last blog have inspired me to stoop to your level.
I am just showing you mirror.
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
Answer my question Mr spoilt brat. How do you address your parents. I never use the kind of language that comes so naturally to you. Buddha pagal ho gaya hai. That is what you said. I
am sure either you similarly abuse your father or you have driven him out already.
That the thought of apology hasn’t crossed your mind shows your poor upbringing.
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veer bhallal Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
your articles show your worst upbringing, only insane persons like you can drag names of persons who are no more with us, stop preaching gandhian sermons, shed gandhian hypocrisy
Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 12:07 am
Sharmaji,
Unlike you I respect my parents more than Sonia and Rahul gandhi.
You kind will even sell their parents to please your master.
vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 5:20 pm
Now another coward named Veer on the blog. You guys grow like locusts.
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V.K.CHAWLA Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 9:47 am
No, the pseudo secularists has grown like locusts in this country , by the grace of Congress party who very cleverly prepared a coarse meal of pseudo secular khichdi all these years & fed to the countrymen , because of which the country has been ruled by MAHA LOOTERA CORRUPT Congress party, since last sixty years & because of this misrule , the country is now harvesting its poisonous fruits in the shape of scam after scam worth not hundred or thousands crores but as it has suddenly upgraded to one , two , three lac crores , the money which belongs to poor people of this unfortunate country , nay to the muslims population of the country as the MANNU BHAI had declared very sheepishly in low toned voice that muslims have first right on nation’s prosperity , its resources , its money. The SC rightly said in the recent judgement as newspapers newsitem depicts how the Nehru & Congress spread the network of pseudo secularism in India , by targetting only Hindus & their religion , leaving Christians & Muslims to their religious leadership , which clearly shows how Congress has done the selective damage to our religion , in the name of secularism . I know the Congress & its minions can take a stand the Congress has taken many progressive initiative in Hindu Religion as there were many shortcomings in it then like Sati Pratha , Child Marriage etc., But there were also many times more shortcomings in other religions also which Congress was reluctant to touch & amend , lest those opulation & voters got annoyed , to the detriments of its political fortunes .The SC judgement is a very BIG slap to Congress & its bootlickers & minions but Congress is hardly take cognisance or notice of such mundane things .
veer bhallal Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
meet me at ap high court you can know who are cowards
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B.V.SHENOY says:
February 7, 2011 at 7:17 pm
Vinodji,
you have spoken enough on how the congress has dumped great revolutioneries like Bhagat Singh, Rajguru and Chandrashekhar Azad, because according to you, Azad used the gun and Bhagat Singh used the bomb, both despicable acts and hence, according to you history’s (actually congress history’s) dustbin is their just desert. You have lectured on Mussolini and how Sonia Gandhi or even her father are innocent of fascism etc..etc..etc..
Now let me tell you a bit of Hitler, the Jews and the the holocaust.
These are extracts from an article written by KARAN THAPAR in the Hindustan Times:
Gandhi, as we know, was a pacifist. His commitment to non-violence was unequivocal and absolute. This led him to advise the British not to oppose Hitler’s and Mussolini’s attempts to conquer. “Let them take possession of your beautiful island …” he said, “allow yourself, man, woman and child, to be slaughtered, but you will refuse to owe allegiance to them.”
Is that how Gandhi would have responded to the Chinese attack in 1962 or to Pakistan’s repeated wars on India? I imagine so. If he was anything, the Mahatma was frighteningly consistent and not a hypocrite.
Worse, it seems Gandhi was not convinced of Hitler’s evil. “I do not consider Herr Hitler to be as bad as he is depicted”, he wrote in 1940. “He is showing an ability that is amazing and he seems to be gaining his victories without much bloodshed.” Gandhi felt that Germans of the future “will honour Herr Hitler as a genius, a brave man, a matchless organiser and much more.”
But what is truly inexplicable is Gandhi’s response to the Nazi treatment of the Jews. Von Tunzelmann, drawing upon Louis Fisher’s biography of the Mahatma, says he advised the Jews to offer passive resistance and even give up their own lives as sacrifices. He asked them to pray for Adolf Hitler. “Even if one Jew acted thus”, he wrote, “he would salve his self-respect and leave an example which, if it became infectious, would save the whole of Jewry and leave a rich heritage to mankind besides.”
Even after the concentration camps were discovered and the full horror of the Holocaust revealed, this is what Gandhi told Louis Fisher in 1946: “Hitler killed five million Jews. It is the greatest crime of our time. But the Jews should have offered themselves to the butcher’s knife. They should have thrown themselves into the sea from cliffs …”
Is that what Gandhi would have advised the Sikhs in 1984, the Muslims in 2002 and the adivasis today? Once again, the answer is, presumably, yes.
I won’t deny I’m troubled. Unlike Gandhi’s experiments with celibacy, these views on war, Hitler and the Holocaust are more than just personal fads or quirks. Had he ruled the country, they would have translated into policies. This is why they need to be addressed and discussed. Ultimately, if they cannot be acceptably explained, they must be criticised and rebutted.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 7:21 pm
Naturally, Time Magazine has him on the top of the list along with Hitler, Mao, Stalin etc.
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 7, 2011 at 10:42 pm
You must have seen that of late Pakistan has become more vocal and to an extent agressive in dealing with India. Is Indian govt. (espacially Rahul Baba) helping pakistan to come to table from the position of strength? if you look at the events, it looks like UPA govt. strengthened pakistani hands so that so-called peace talks (surrendering Kashmir to Pak) can resume.
Here are the events-
1. 26/11 happens. The public rage forces pro-pakistani UPA govt. to stall the peace talks.
2. Our PM tries all kinds of tricks to start the talk. The shameless surrender at Sharm-al-Sheikh was one such attempt.
3. The Indian public didn’t buy Manmohan’s Sharm-al-Sheikh logic to keeping talks and terrorism separate. He was embarrassed and made to eat his words.
4. PM under the guidance of Rahul and Diggi try to fix opposition so that there is no opposition to their surrender to pakistan.
5. They (Rahul-Diggi) come up with ‘RSS-Terror’ (Hindu terror) theory to put BJP on mat and also help pakistan to revive itself.
6. NIA under the instructions from Rahul weaves intricate theory of RSS terror, giving pakistan Samjhauta Danda to beat India with.
7. Rahul and Diggi also give kind of clean chit to ISI-LeT-ISI on 26/11.
8. India’s case weakens on 26/11 whereas pakistan’s case on Samjhauta gets strengthened.
9. Now we are begging pakistan to talk with us and we are giving all kinds of gurantees that we will not only bury 26/11 but also implicate RSS on all terror activities.
The congress by doing this has achieved following-
1. Consolidated its muslim vote bank.
2. Appeased pakistan thus helping MMS fulfilling his dream of giving kashmir to pak.
3. Isolate and discredit RSS thus BJP.
4. Put a permanent terrorist tag on Hindus (with no evidence whatsoever).
5. Ease muslims on terror tag and assure them that next time if they do bomb blasts, UPA will look other way and work on to implicate hindus.
It’s time people understand that this congress is not congress of Gandhi (real one) but its congress of dictator Indira gandhi and fascist Sonia gandhi.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 10:49 am
Rajeev,
Those who welcomed the “gorey log” into our country and invited them to rule us are the slaves to the white skin. Which was how a handful of white Englishmen ruled our country for 150 years. Which is also why our people invited Sonia Gandhi, the daughter of a white supremacist fascist, to rule us all over again.
Therefore, a certificate from Time Magazine is everything for people like Vinod Sharma. In Kannada language there is a proverb: ‘maga sattadaroo sose’ munde aagabeku’ The mother-in-law curses her daughter-in-law to become a widow even if it means death of her own son.
Vinod Sharma is happy that Indira Gandhi is not on the list, as long as none from the parivar is in the list. It doesn’t matter to him in theleast that Gandhiji is bracketed with Hitler and Mao.
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Raghavendra Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
Mr Shenoy
dont blame that poor guy Vindo Sharma he is only proving his loyalty to YUVRAJ and hs MOM FROM ITALY.
the day i saw this guy Vindo laughing merrily when SONIA BHAKT CONGRESS got 206 seats in LOK SABHA i knew where his loyalty was.
the way he was talking about SECULARISM and STABILITY CONGRESS could give i knew this guy is a more faithful to CONGRESS than AHMAD PATEL himself.
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Raghavendra Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Mr Shenoy
since you also know Kannada i wish to say 1 kannada proverb on CONGRESS rule
HUCCHA MUNDE MADUVEYALLI UNDAVANE JAANA.
do i need to say anything more about CONGRESS rule Mr Shenoy?
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veer bhallal says:
February 7, 2011 at 11:37 pm
dear vinodh actually Hindus are responsible for all terrorist activities in India, Muslims never indulge in such activities because Qur’an never preaches violence against humanity, it is rss which is responsible for Kashmir pundits genocide, it is rss responsible for Mumbai blast, Coimbatore blast, surath blast, Delhi blast, Ahmadabad blasts, Varanasi blasts, Bangalore blast, in fact madani, dawood, memen brothers, diggy raja, your self, kasab, afjal guru all are greatest patriots, keep up with your **** articles
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Rajiv says:
February 8, 2011 at 4:13 am
Why just that ? It was India that put on the army uniform of Pakistan army and killed 3 million Muslims/Hindus in Bangadesh and blamed the qoranic army of Pakistan.
Bye the way, Islamic countries like Pakistan,. Saudi Arabia offer freedom of religion. You can preach any religion, build temples , churches as you wish.
Its a lie that Islamic countries like Pakistan are vile thugs , wedded to the ideology of hate from Jinnah-Lashker-e-toiba and should not be engaged with.
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Rajiv says:
February 8, 2011 at 5:35 am
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Mr Vinod Sharma. Dont blame him.
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I think its best to ignore him and use this blog to discuss issues without engaging Mr Sharma.
His opinions and writings reflect the mindset of an uneducated , irrational congressman that stands on street corners and shouts ‘Sonia-Rahul amar rahe’. If you engage that congressman on a conversation on any issue, its your fault.
Dont blame Mr Sharma.
Think of him like Pakistan. Nothing good will come out of engaging a entity so irrational and so incorrigibly wedded to falsehood.
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Islam, democracy and religious freedom
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One issue that people need to address is that “is democracy and religious pluralism possible in a state where majority of its citizens believe in the Islamic ideology and or consider there God the only true god and say so 5 times a day in collective form ?”
Or is Islam an implacable foe to liberal democracies and personal freedoms ?
There are many countries in the world where majority of its citizens are Muslims.
Do any of these countries guarantee complete equality of all its citizens , irrespective of religion ?
How many of these countries have had non-Muslim head of states and have absolutely no laws that discriminate based on religion ?
Is the % of minorities in those countries dwindling or is it staying stable ?
How democratic and respectful of different religions is the spiritual state of Muslims, Saudi Arabia ?
Is it rational to think that what has happeneded to Muslim majority states all over the world, will not happen to India if Muslims are in a majority ?
Will Indian democracy and its minorities survive if and when India becomes Muslim majority ?
India is a secular state. Majority of Indians want to keep governance , seperate from religion , because politics and governance mixed with religion, leads to tyranny.
Emotion takes over reason. Thats why I want India to remain secular for ever. Its not states business to see if its majority Hindu or majority Christian or majority Muslim.
However its the business of Indians and the Indian state today to see that the Indian state always stays democratic and liberal and free from tyranny of a religious state. The state has to be mindful of all threats on the horizon.
As I look around the world, I see the greatest foe of liberal democratic states is Islam. The ideology is as intolerant of other religions as Stalin was of different political opinion and rivals. Stalin is the greatest mass murderer of 20th century even greater than the other fascist ideologue Hitler.
Political freedom and liberal thought is not consonant with a ideology that urges its adherants to repeat 5 times a day that its god is the only real god and rest all false. If you practice intolerance 5 times a day, you are going to become one.
I would like to hear from those who passionately believe that India will survive as a liberal democracy , that guarantees equal opportunities to all, even if Islam becomes a majority religion. Poor in all nations multiply faster. Same is true of India and particularly so of Muslims. Muslims who made 12-13% of the population of India in 1947 ,
now make 25% of the population in the age group below 25, as per latest census. That means, as that population grows, Muslims will make 25% of India in about 30-40 years. That’s just plain facts.
What about in anathor 50 or 100 years ?
Jinnah wanted a seperate homeland for Muslims of Indian subcontinent. They got it.
The clash was between liberal, inclusive ideology of Gandhi-Nehru and the Islamic ideology of religious identity of Jinnah-Muslim league.
Since 1947 in Pakistan, The Hindus , sikhs etc have been killed, expelled, discriminated or converted to the extent that now they make only 1% of the same land where they were a over whelming majority 1000 years ago and comprised 20-25 % of the population 60-70 years ago.
Pause and think about it for a moment.
Can the same happen to India ? If not, why not ?
Looking forward to reasoned replies.
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Mahesh Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 11:54 am
Rajiv,
What about political up-risings in Tunisia and Egypt where majority practices Islam ? Do you still maintain your stand about Islam being “in-compatible” with Democracy ?
Cheers,
Mahesh.
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Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
@ Rajiv,
A vary mature hypothesis !! But let me use my brains ( which Vinodji thinks don’t exist) to reply. :D
a) The root cause is Wahabbi money which flows in from Saudia. In case Saudi Arabia were made democratic, things will radically change. Suddenly there would be no need to convert the world to one strain of thought or one religion. Unfortunately the US has no interest in seeing democracy in Saudia and that blocks all change in Muslim majority countries
b) Liberation, empowerment and education of women is the key to the whole thing. In many Muslim majority countries, the Sharia is used to subjugate women. My girlfriend in secular, democratic India pulls up my ears even if I look one inch left or right. How can any girl share a marital bed with three others in today’s world? :D :D :D
Once women are equal to a man in any relationship, the question of men straying around to become jehadis under the influence of Hafeez Saeed like preachers diminishes greatly. That is why the terrorists blow up women’s schools as their first step to rule.
So a freer soceity, where boys and girls interact freely will diminish the urge to become religious warriers. In Delhi, London and Mumbai– cities which I know well– youngsters are more interested in their next date or career plans– and have little time for preachers of hate.
By the way, the western sexually liberated woman, or a fully permissive society would only be rejected by the East. Maybe our Indian values– remember our films our a big hit in the Muslim world– would serve as the real model…
c) A substitute for oil. Somebody has to seriously work on this. Oil money has created an imbalance in the world and somewhere when I see Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis living in an unequal relationship in the mideast, I wonder if all this is about money alone. :)
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ram autar Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
Liberation, empowerment and education of women is the key to the whole thing. In many Muslim majority countries, the Sharia is used to subjugate women. My girlfriend in secular, democratic India pulls up my ears even if I look one inch left or right. How can any girl share a marital bed with
when britishers came education in india wa 93%when they left it was 8%.nearly all muslim countries have far more education level than india.
i was reading now kazakhistan has 98.5%litteracy.
tum saloon chu…ke chu.. rahoge.
Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
@ Mahesh,
Genuine secular democracy in a Muslim majority state has only flourished in Turkey. And it happened because Ataturk banned the Arabic script and everyone uses the English script.
So it really boils down to cutting links with undesirable influences…
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Mahesh Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
@Vijay Kumar,
Tunisia ? Egypt ? Are these political movements not *genuine* ?
Cheers,
Mahesh.
Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
@ Mahesh,
All these products are of course genuine. But we have to see what they throw up in the end. If it is a dead rat as was the Iranian revolution, then it would be a huge step forward for the people but a huge step backward for the world… :)
I think the Egyptians with their secular beliefs should take care to sideline the Muslim brotherhood which tried disruption through terrorists bombings during Christmas.
But then if things go wrong, we could well see the Pyramids gong the way of the Bamiyan Buddha statues… :)
Cheers and bottoms up :D
Vijay
Rajiv Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
@Mahesh,
The issue in Tunisia, Egypt etc is againt repression by repressive regimes. It has nothing to do with how the Muslim majority will deal with issues of having equal respect for all religions or secularism.
As per as India is concerned, how Muslim majorities will handle other religions can best be found in Pakiostan, Afganistan and Bangladesh because they are more like Indian Muslims than any others.
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Vinay Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
Turkey has secular democracy. Iran, Palestine may not have secular constitution, none the less they are democracies. I feel, one has to respect a democracy (whether it is religious or irreligious) over dictatorship. Religious democracy might suppress women and minority, but dictatorship will suppress everybody. Yes it would be of a concern, if human right violation is legally allowed in a democratic government. (There are many inhuman practises in our system as well. But they are not approved by the constitution. It gives a ray of hope, these practises will die eventually). As far Tunisia and Egypt, people in the respective country have to figure out what suits them best by their own trial and error methods. Better for others (/US), not to intervene. In fact, too much interference might make them choose a wrong type of government.
Mahesh Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 11:12 pm
@Rajiv and @(I would love if Pakistani citizens are participating in the dsiscussion),
Is Pakistan free from repression ? Are we so sure that the communal form Pakistani resistance is taking form is not really against U.S. backed defence regime that has time and again subverted and suppressed the polity ? What has this got to do with Islam other than the form it is donning ? Actually, IMHO – the communalists in Pakistan and other dictatorial regimes world over are subservient to the “powers that be” (mostly militaristic). This has much less to do with religion per se.
I would love to discuss this further with participants from across the border.
Cheers,
Mahesh.
p.s. for Guys from both sides of border : Try to stick to the theme of discussion and not resort to “we are better than you / you are as worse as us” type responses. Stay away from the discussion if you cannot really really meaningfully contribute to the discussion.
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Praveen Saxena says:
February 8, 2011 at 10:30 am
More work for Vinod Sharma. After the CWG plunder, 3G plunder, CVC shame , now he has to go about defending the PM himself from the scam of allottment of the S Band spectrum. Now there is no “Raja” Front here. It is this PM himself.
Arre yeh Sardarji kuch chodegay ya sab kuch bech dalegay.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Praveen Saxenaji,
It is now quite clear that this government is on its last legs. Now the corruption and mismanagement has reached the very top. It cannot be defended by the Oily Moilys or 15% Kamal Naths, nor by the no-loss-all profit Sibals.
The problem is truly mind boggling: Sonia Gandhi doen’t know anything (except her Swiss Bank account numbers, of course), nobody believes Rahul Gandhi, even if he tells the truth (which he never does, anyway) and Manmohan Singh, because of his shaky voice and squeaky nerves, cannot be understood by anybody (not that he has anything to say that is believable).
Therefore, it is time the congress party gave a chutti to these shotgun Murugans (read Vinod Sharma, Vinod Mehta, Jayanti Natarajan, Singhvi, Tiwari etc, etc) and field the big Bofor guns of the media, bollywood and business world like Pranoy Roy, Shekhar Gupta, Ms. Bhartiya, Montek, Shah Rukh Khan, etc. And sit back and pray “Allah jaane kya hoga aage……..”
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
In a recent speech, Manmohan Singh made the funniest understatement of the year:
“CORRUPTION STRIKES AT THE ROOTS.”
Will he now correct himself and say, “CORRUPTION STRIKES AT THE TOP TOO”?
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SKS_Mumbai says:
February 8, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Vinod Sharma jee,
Here you are, supposedly reproducing some article, which in your opinion dealt with very critical issues and hence deserving of an “honest appraisal”, “without prejudice”.
You also requested us to take this seriously and not dismiss it as rantings of a pseudo secular. The only qualification you made for that article was : “It lacked a Hindu right-wing voice” [Of course, if it didn't, it wouldn't have made here is a different point altogether.] You obviously didn’t see any muslim extremist voice in that article.
Not making an upfront qualification about your “disagreement” (actually that is being generous, because you merely “never fully endorsed” that is far off from disagreement) with a part of that article, was bad.
That you didn’t bother to clarify your position even when people commented on that, made it worse, but to actually charge them with “lying” speaks volumes about, not just your…………..but also about your understanding of the “lying” (my limited vocabulary does not have words which would be appropriate here, without being insulting)
But that’s not all, Ram-Autar, who is undoubtedly miles ahead of Shabnam Hashmis (i.e. If we restrict our evidence to what Shabnam Hashmis is reported to have said above) was found gutsy by you! (I can imagine his character assassination will pain you greatly, but rest assured, only fools will consider his character worth assassination and if that sounds like character assassination to you,I can’t help it). That being so, one would expect your harshest criticism of Shabnam Hashmis to be: ’she could do with more guts’, which does not translate into “I disagree with her”, although why she isn’t called a liar and a rabid communalist is beyond the scope of my current response.
So your convulsive rage at being questioned on Shabnam Hashmis is, at its mildest without reason.
You will always have people using bad language, but if you can “respond” without invoking RSS/VHP etc you wouldn’t have to demand respect (and you do) for your age from so many of them.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 11:16 am
SKS,
Thanks, Buddy. Someone needed to put it across to Shri Vinod Sharma in terms he would understand.
You see, these are no rantings of a pseudo secular. Very cleverly he has left all the ranting to his comrade, Yoginder Sikand, who, inturn, has outsourced the ranting to his buddies, Manasi Sharma, Seema Mustafa, Harsh Mander, Shabnam Hashmi et., all known Hindu Baiters. And when accused of the same he says, “where have I quoted them? I do not agree with Shabnam Hashmi wholesale, etc., etc…”.
As for Ram Autar, whom he certified as a gutsy fellow worth responding to, it has become absolutely clear that this Ram Autar is a fake with a fake Hindu name and a fake Indian identity. But, try telling Vinodji about Ram Autar’s real identity, he will come down on you with a ton of abuses.
Very cleverly, he has NOT written any “disclaimer” anywhere, yet he expectes his readers to believe that he is NOT ONE OF THEM. In the process, he called me a liar, manipulator and other vile names.
In all the hurling of abuses and counter abuses, Vinod Sharma has cleverly skirted the issue of whether he is in full agreement with Shabnam Hashmi on her charge that Godhra train burning was a Hindu conspiracy or he only suspects a Hindu hand.
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Vijay Kumar says:
February 8, 2011 at 2:01 pm
Big question….
Which is the big non Congress leader who should be made the PM after 2014?
The COngrewss is surelu giong to bite the dust.:)
let us all try to find the right leader for our gr8 country. Of course we have to make sure
a) he or she should not start a dynasty
b) Should be secular so as to get communities and religions together, instead of trying to create vote banks as Digvijay, Rahul etc are trying
c) SHould be honest and a paragon of virtue unlike the criminals and thier spin doctors of the ruling mis-dispensation :)
d) Should have the balls, marbles, cricket balls and footballs to take on the forces of evil in our neighbourhood, instead of selling himsefl for a kabab platter :D
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(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
@ Vijay Kumar
Sir, I shall go for Arun Jaitley. I know it may not happen but still I shall root for him.
BNA
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 12:02 am
Vijay,
I don’t agree that Congress will not come back in 2014. Our pro-congress media will campaign on behalf of congress putting opposition BJP on mat for Kandahar as it did in 2009.
This country is bound to be ruled by congress thugs courtesy propagandists like Sharma.
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vijay Kumar Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 11:08 am
@ Rajeev
We have to make sure that this Congress is deliverd a Thapad in 2014 for insulting our intelligence and the bravhearts who died in 26/11
@ Dr Anand
Jaitley is fine. he needs to show some emotions to sway the crowds and address public rallies////
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Praveen Saxena Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
My vote goes to L K Advani.The seniormost, experienced and organization man. The man who played a major role in Atalji’s success.
Narendra Bhai Modi would score more on some counts , but if it has to be NDA, the going shall be tough for him.
Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
@ Praveen,
There is a huge probablity of Nitish Kumar coming in, in case the BJP comes with less than 200 seats.
What we have to guard against is a rag tag VP Singh coalition or a monstrous Congress corrupt to the core formation with its spin docotrs and Diggy Rajas and Antulays… :)
Praveen Saxena Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
Vijay , my take , even if that be so,the case for Nitish is still not made out. BJP will still have a much larger share of seats. That is why I take the name of L K Advani , as none of the NDA constituents have any objection to him.
Yes if the Results are more confusing , and then a total re-alignment of parties takes place then it could be just about any one , Nitish or even Mayawati.
The future of the Congress looks a little difficult because Andhra it biggest strength last time is in a mess. U P does not look very good . Mayawati is still invincible. Tell me which state looks the strongest for the Congress ?
Except for the Left ruled, almost all the non Cogress CMs look to be going strong , and so the respective parties too.
Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
@ Praveen
The Congress could still probably win in Delhi as Shiela Dixit, despite the scam is idntified with modernising the city.
The Opposition has to really get some smart computer savvy generals all over.
The trouble with Mayawati is that she would be more interested in installing her own statue at India gate and nothing more :D
Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 8:20 pm
Vijay,
The problem is that our voters residing in rural India do not consider corruption as an issue. They are only interested in freebies. I am sure congress and its allies with throwaway such freebies just before the election and obviously it will be advertised enthusiastically by our sold out media.
The problem with India is that most of the Indians are so poor that they can not think anything other than their next meal and I don’t blame for that.
India is effectively a defunct state now because of this situation.
Praveen Saxena Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Vijay , in my view , the fate of the Congress in Delhi and Punjab, in a way , is linked to the fate of Dr Meow Meow Singh. If he goes , then the Sardars will not seen so firmly by the side of the Congress.
Of course elections are not just about to happen. But if the going gets worse , and even one ally does a rethink , the house may fall.
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ramkumar [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 8, 2011 at 2:54 pm
@ vinod sharma
February 7th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
Breaking News Breaking News Breaking News
A talkative, immature member of the Sanghi Mutual Admiration and You-Scratch-My-Back-I-Scratch-Yours society has exposed other core members of the group. They are SEVEN of them. But do they all sit in one cyber cafe or basement or cave or some headquarter?
Must be a cave—- given their medieval mindsets.
dear Mr Vindo Sharma
i haven’t red anything more armature than this
wht a pathetic journo u r
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
what is armature Lord Rama?
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V.K.CHAWLA Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 11:48 pm
IT IS A PRESENT DAY LANGUAGE FORMATION IN SHORTEST FORM , JUST TRY TO SEE ITS MEANING .
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Praveen Saxena says:
February 8, 2011 at 3:40 pm
After giving some good news to Vinod Sharma that this govt has been hit by a new scam ( and his naukri gets more pakki) , some bad news now. Rediff .com has reported that a secret survey conducted by the Congress in UP shows that if elections are held today , the Congress shall be devastated and its tally may be reduced to a single digit.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 8th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
As long as it doesn’t reach ‘0′, congress can live with it.
In Bihar, they got 4 seats in a total of 243, but despite having staked his “reputation” on the results, Rahul Gandhi is behaving as if he has won a three fourths majority in the state.
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 1:44 am
Rahul doesn’t know the difference between 3/4th and 4.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 10:39 am
Perhaps Rahul understands the meaning only when you add the word ‘billion’ to the figure.
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Praveen Saxena says:
February 8, 2011 at 5:33 pm
Shenoy Saab
Thus spake the Madre Congress Party
” In Bihar , we have to start from scratch”
” In UP we will go back to to scratch”
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ram autar says:
February 9, 2011 at 12:00 am
about gujrat what wee know.Gujarat is now well into its third month of violence. Communalism Combat published a comprehensive report of the situation in April. According to its estimate, based on painstaking research, the death toll is at least 2000, economic losses among Muslims amount to Rs. 3500 crores, and more than 270 mosques and dargahs have been reduced to rubble. Of course, the death toll is necessarily underrated, since very large numbers of corpses were burnt to ashes after the killings. After April, moreover, there have been many more flare-ups, more of destruction and terror. What is going on there, judging from the nature of selected targets of violence, is clearly a process of ethnic cleansing, an elimination of the cultural, economic and demographic presence of the Muslim.
More important than the statistics of loss, is the nature of terror, for violence now consists of public acts of sadism that have been missing from earlier histories of carnage in our country. Looked at dispassionately, we have exceeded the achievements of Nazi terror, Bosnian atrocities, our own Partition violence – if not in scale or numbers, then in the intensity of torture, the sheer plurality and innovativeness in forms of cruelty. It is as if the most gruesome elements from all the annals of mass destruction have been pulled together to form a whole that is Gujarat today.
If Nazism needed to shroud its evil behind impenetrable concentration camps and gas chambers, the Gujarat genocide is carried out in streets, often in front of television cameras; it is recorded by journalists and thoroughly investigated by courageous fact-finding teams of women’s groups, civil rights activists, international agencies, and even by the Indian state’s own National Commission of Human Rights. If after such exposure and condemnation, terror is allowed to continue and hold its own with its entire machinery intact, – both the Modi Government and the Central coalition remain unchanged, none of the accused political leaders in Gujarat is punished, and violence has become a daily event – then, indeed a page of history has been turned, and our people have taken a long step towards collective barbarism and dehumanisation. “After such knowledge, what forgiveness?” It is not Muslims alone who need to fear the future, but Hindus even more so – for what they have allowed to happen will make savages out of them, will destroy a complex and rich religion that used to be Hinduism. For the survivors of violence are told to convert if they want to live, as the victims who were massacred were told to utter the name of Ram before they were cut down and burnt. It is not remotely an exaggeration to say that this is the worst crisis in its history that faces our country today – worse than any foreign invasion, old or new, worse than colonisation, worse than the terrible sundering apart of the land. The crisis involves more than the security of minorities, the integrity of the nation, or law and order. It involves the survival of basic human values in our land.
The facts of Gujarat violence are well known. I will try to locate a few patterns and trends within this violence. My main contention is, it is not the collapse of the state machinery that we are looking at, but the penetration of state and grass roots institutions – from police to hospitals – by the Sangh Parivar. I will try to link the trends in Gujarat with dominant ideological and institutional activities of the Sangh. When talking of Gujarat events, it is very common to use terms like the failure of the Modi Government, the weakness of the state, or the limits of the BJP-led coalition at the Centre. I would strongly insist that, on the contrary, the Modi Government as well as the Sangh as a whole have been spectacularly successful in their agenda. What is happening in Gujarat is not a mark of weakness or inadequacy but a sign of the strength of the Sangh Parivar, its firmness of resolve, its ideological consistency. This is the first time in our history that a state is headed by a RSS pracharak. The state governor, Bhandari, is a leading light of the Sangh, while the Central government has as its Prime Minister and Home Minister, two very senior and experienced Sangh leaders. Vajpayee chose to remind us of his basic allegiance in the middle of the carnage during the Goa Conference: “The Sangh is my soul.” Gujarat’s Lokayukta, its chairman of the state public service commission, the vice-chancellor of the Gujarat University, are all old RSS hands. So is Arun Oza, the senior government pleader at the Ahmedabad High Court. Narendra Modi freely used the services of the state radio or Akashvani to put forward his views, and the vernacular press, especially the Sandesh and the Gujarat Samachar, manufactured stories of Muslim violence and freely circulated them.
KG Shah, who leads the judicial commission to enquire into Gujarat events, is well known for his Hindutva leanings and his anti-Muslim judgements during TADA trials. Among senior police officials, Sangh links abound. V.B.Rawal, Inspector, Crime Branch, was a karsevak at the time of the demolition of the Babri masjid and he proudly displays a photograph to attest his contribution to the cause. DCPs R.D. Makadia and D.G. Patel are close to the VHP General Secretary Pravin Togadia, while DCP Parghi is an intimate associate of Haren Pandya, the state home minister, and accused by many of inciting the violence and actively assisting in it. We may remind ourselves here that at the time of his election, Pandya had promised to “wipe any trace of Muslims out of Paldi”, Paldi being his constituency, and a site of great violence in recent months. In 1999, Mahen Trivedi, Minister of state for Home, publicly declared at a police function ” We told you that we don’t want Muslims in controlling posts. ” Gujarat, incidentally, has only 65 senior Muslim police officers, none of them at present in active field service.
A happy conjuncture for the Sangh parivar, with all contingencies taken care of, all loopholes sealed. As a result, no important member from the entire combine – not even from the Bajrang Dal – has so far been arrested. This, despite the fact that several FIRs had been launched and numerous complaints made by eyewitnesses that not only local BD and VHP office-bearers, but also municipal corporators and MLAs – both men and women – led the mobs. Even BJP Ministers have been named by many: Gordhan Zadaphya, Revenue Minister; Bharat Barot, Food and Civil Supplies Minister; Nitin Patel, Finance Minister; Ashok Bhatt, Health Minister; and I.K. Jadeja, Development Minister. VHP leader Jaideep Patel and Maya Kodnani, BJP MLA, are extensively implicated in the gruesome massacres at Naroda Patiya.
All the affiliates and the sub-affiliates of the Sangh Parivar have displayed great mutual solidarity and protectiveness. BJP supported each of the VHP bandh calls that led to massive carnage – VHP bandhs over the last four years had unfailingly done so, there was thus sure foreknowledge about what a bandh call would mean. Modi consistently concealed the extent of damage and claimed that things were almost normal even while massacres were happening. The RSS and the BJP cleared Modi of all blame and responsibility. Vajpayee’s explanation for the violence echoed Modi’s action-reaction thesis: Godhra led to a spontaneous outburst from all Hindus, Muslims have never lived in peace with non-Muslims anywhere in the world. Advani had cleared the BD of all charges of violence at the time of the murder of Graham Staines and his children: “I know these people, they will never do such a thing.” K.K.Shastri, a nonageraian VHP leader and noted Sanskritist,, issued a circular which claimed that a team of 50 lawyers were working to release the arrested and to fight their cases.
It is not accidental that the RSS had described Gujarat as ” the laboratory of the Hindu Rashtra. ” The experiments are now showing results. So magistrates sat quietly while the state burned, the police refused help at best, and, at worst, shot, tortured and raped Muslims. Fire brigades did not come to help, hospitals turned away Muslim victims, Muslim ambulance services were systematically disrupted by the police. FIRs were either not registered, or registered at a collective level which left no room for individual complaints. Arrests were not made and relief came mostly from Muslim, Christian or Non-Governmental organisations. There are no rehabilitation plans, compensation claims are impossible to establish, and, if established, they are either not paid at all or paid fractionally.
For the last six months, charges had been made by independent agencies that the BD was holding congregations on Saturday evenings, where tridents and swords were distributed and martial training was given. It was also pointed out that systematic lists of Muslim addresses, business concerns and of collaborative ventures with Muslim capital were compiled. The truth of the allegations was borne out in the knowledgeable and sure-footed way in which mobs identified households and residences, selecting Muslim apartments in mixed housing societies, or burning hotels that carried Hindu names but included some amount of invisible Muslim capital. Government departments and their official records had obviously been pressed into service. The pile up of weapons and the training to use new and deadly chemicals to burn house and bodies, the ability to deftly light and throw burning gas cylinders, the availability of swords which is legally a contraband object – all this proves months of systematic planning and not at all a spontaneous outburst immediately after Godhra.
More sinister is the management of the aftermath of the major flashpoints of violence. The erasure of evidence and of bodies, the chain of help to BD and VHP from the highest quarters, also speaks of meticulous advance planning. Was the role of the NDA allies also foreknowledge, or was it an inspired guess? Was it anticipated that allies like Fernandes would applaud rape as natural, that TDP would demand the dismissal of the Modi government but would not vote against BJP, that Trinamool would demand President’s Rule but would vote with the BJP?
Be that as it may, there is no doubt that without a unique conjuncture of events – BJP at the helm at the Centre, an RSS pracharak at the state – ethnic cleansing on such a scale could not have been carried out. It was no mere criminal elements who caused the massacre, nor was it the independent work of lumpen BD activists. At any given time, mobs of thousands were roaming the streets, in as many as 16 districts, and no state can harbour that large a professional criminal population. Faces in the mob that were recognised by the victims included well-known political leaders, teachers, advocates, shopowners and traders, sarpanches, farmers, labourers, tribal and dalit groups. The recruitment of widely divergent social groups, the training in combat action, the mobilisation of an immense will to violence bespeak tenacious and longstanding political activity within the very pores of civil society.
II
What kind of politics accomplished all this? The BD is the official youth wing of the VHP, which, in turn, is the religious wing of the Sangh, established and trained by the RSS. Its top leaders are all RSS members, and many also have BJP membership. The Sangh leaders told us in 1990 that Bajrangdalis were junior members of the Parivar, important only during vendettas and scuffles – ” during *** for tat situations” – but important, nevertheless. Incidentally, on the day of the VHP bandh on 28 February, a group of ABVP students ransacked the Delhi University library building. They sported saffron headbands with Jai Shri Ram stamped on them, they carried swords – the typical gear of BD mobs in Gujarat. The ABVP, however, is an official organ of the RSS.
The RSS was set up in Nagpur in 1925, with a group of upper caste and middle class urban youths. It, therefore, has been in continuous service for nearly 80 years. Since it stayed away from all anti-colonial or working class and peasant movements, it never came under any colonial repression. Till the 1940s, it was a low-key organization, with a slow spread into parts of western and Central India, mostly among brahman youths. It came into its own during the growing communalisation of politics in the 1940s, and it played a considerable role in the holocaust violence. After it recovered from the brief ban after Gandhi’s assasination, it moved into grassroot work: setting up a chain of schools, using its womens’ organisations which had been founded in 1936 to spread Sangh values through informal networks among neighbourhood and workplace women, providing training camps for children and schoolteachers. It also founded the Akhil Bharatiya Vidyarthi Parishad and the Bharatiya Jan Sangh. In 1964, it added the Vishwa Hindu Parishad to its list of affiliates to work among religious organisations, sadhus and mahants, temple networks and priests. The presence of a cluster of interrelated sub-affiliates that ideologically trained a range of social groups in sangh values was not merely a means to ensure electoral success for its electoral wing – the BJS, later renamed the BJP. It was to hegemonise civil society.
The RSS is profoundly and decisively influenced by the ideological message of V.D. Savarkar, one-time revolutionary terrorist who turned towards a theory of Hindu nationalism from the early 1920s. Its birth was directly inspired by his 1923 text: Hindutva, Who Is A Hindu? The immediate context to this work was the Hindu-Muslim unified struggle under the Non-Cooperation-Khilafat movements, the growth of Gandhian mass anti colonial movements that idealised the peasant as the ideal satyagrahi, and the beginning of organised low caste and worker-peasant protests under leaders like Ambedkar and the communistic Workers’ and Peasants’ Parties. All this threatened the power-lines within Hindu society.
Savarkar preached that Indians were essentially Hindus in their cultural ethos, and all those who had any affiliation with religious or cultural movements outside the land were not Indians. The formula excluded Muslims and Christians from the body politic. Later, the VHP Constitution added Communists to the list. At one stroke, therefore, citizenship was reserved for Hindus alone and nation and Hindu were made synonymous. In his multi-volume histories of India, Savarkar painted a bleak picture of Muslim tyranny in India, emphasising especially the alleged abductions of Hindu women. The RSS drew a single corollary from this. All Muslims are a threat to faith and nation, and especially to women at all times, and, therefore, revenge must be taken on present-day Muslims both for historical wrongs and for the future danger that they embody.
The RSS thus constructed its own narrative of Muslim rule that was made into a description of invariable Muslim behaviour at all times. Either Hindus suffered emasculation, or they avenged themselves. Revenge was a mobile concept, as was the figure of the Muslim. For the Muslim of today embodies all past offences and future threats that have been allegedly committed and could be committed. Therefore, revenge could be taken on any Muslim anywhere for anything that any Muslim could do or had done. This is crucial, for it alone explains Modi’s action-reaction theory: Muslims of far-away Panch Mahal or Ahmedabad justifiably paying for an action done at Godhra. Or take the notion of Ramjanambhoomi, for instance. Present-day Muslims must be attacked to avenge an alleged attack on an alleged Hindu temple in the days of Babur. Again, a 15th century Muslim poet’s tomb or a 20th century Muslim singer’s tomb can be smashed to avenge Godhra. Even Muslims of the past must pay for what Muslims of the present are doing, just as Muslims of the present are paying for past sins. Of course, it is the RSS which decided what that past actually represented. That is why history teaching, textbooks and historical scholarship have been special targets of its attacks. They need to assert their monopoly over historical truth, for there is a strange symmetry between their historical allegations and their present violence. They assert that Muslims broke temples, and then they demolish mosques. They allege forced conversion, and then they command victims to utter the name of Ram or to convert. Legends of rapes of Hindu women abound, and Muslim women are then raped freely.
It is not as if the RSS invented the entire range of negative stereotypes. What Savarkar and RSS have accomplished is, rather, to conjoin socio-cultural prejudices with the theme of nationalism, and then to provide a wide-ranging organisational structure to systematise these ideas into a coherent whole, and to systematically train various social groups in these ideas.
The RSS shakhas have ideological and combat training schedules on a daily basis. The cadres are taught this message as history, as religion and as nationalism. Two facts stand out within this ideological formation. One is that both religion and nationalism are being recast as a crusade against Christians and Muslims. At the same time, religion and Nation are fused into a single entity whose lifeblood is vindictiveness for alleged past wrongs committed by Muslim rulers. The second is that Hindu unity is based on its antagonism against other Indian religions, which would overrule any engagement with power relations and social abuses of class, caste and gender within the Hindu community. In fact, even a reference to such problems is described as divisive of both religion and nation. The second Sarsanghchalak and ideological Guru of the Sangh, Guruji Golwalkar, was quite frank in his denunciations of democracy, low castes and labour agitations. These open statements, however, became covert and muted once independent India adopted a Constitution based on universal franchise and the electoral wing of the RSS needed to broaden its constituency. The new tactic was, therefore, to silence discourses on rights, equality and social justice by promoting a militant Hindutva and a militaristic nationalism in its place. Savarkar was a staunch supporter of nuclearising of India. The Sangh works among exploited social groups to Hinduise and communalise them; it does not tolerate work for social justice. Golwalkar had explicitly stated that the Hindu ideal of monarchy was ideal for India, democracy is a foreign idea. Recently, Vajpayee echoed that theme when he said that a collapse of law and order was opposed to Rajdharma – a strange word to use in place of democracy.
At RSS shakhas, themes of revenge are renewed through a plurality of mediums: songs, plays, anecdotes and histories are narrated and performed every day. In shakhas meant for children between five and eight, the games revolve round attacks on Muslims. In RSS run schools, textbooks portray India as a land filled only with Hindu holy places. All geographical features are imbued with Hindu associations, and no other Indian religion seems to exist in the land, except as enemies of the nation. Histories are stitched with myths, epics and legends, portraying Hindu heroism against the enemies of the faith. They are blended so cleverly that it is difficult to notice how very different contexts are mixed up: Babur emerges as the enemy of Ram, medieval history becomes an extension of an ancient epic, and Babur replaces the mythological demon king. Bharatmata is torn apart by Muslims who further plot to tear out Kashmir from the sacred geography of India.
In the middle of the violence, in secondary and higher secondary exams held under Gujarat school boards, students were told to join up the following sentences into one: “There are two solutions. One of them is the Nazi solution. If you don’t like people, kill them, segregate them.” The reference to Nazism is not accidental. Golwalkar, had expressed strong admiration for Hitler’s anti semitism in 1939, as something that Indians must learn from. He also held out two options to the minorities: either change their religion and merge themselves with Hindus, or live here without citizenship rights, without any claims. Very recently, the Bangalore Conference of the BJP has echoed this message. VHP leaflets, openly circulating in Gujarat today, signed by the state general secretary, Chinubhai Patel, promise: ” We will cut them and their blood will flow like rivers. We will kill Muslims the way we destroyed Babri Mosque”. This is followed by a poem
” The volcano which was inactive… has erupted
It has burnt the arse of miyas and made them dance nude
We have untied the penises that were tied till now
We have widened the tight vaginas of the bibis…”
We will return to the obsessive fantasies of sexual aggression of the Sangh combine in our last section.
The Sangh has been working assiduously among tribals and dalits to coopt them into its Hindutva agenda., to eliminate Christian influence, to deflect them from a politics of rights and social justice. (It may be recalled that Gujarat has had a record of militant Dalit movements in the 1960s and `70s). While some minor education and charitable programmes have lent back-up, the real work lay in implicating them in anti Muslim violence. Tribals of Panch Mahal, Dahod and Sabarkanta, dalit groups like sections of Vaghris and Charas, led mob action against Muslims, thereby ensuring a safe corner in the Hindu Rashtra for themselves. If communal violence ensures some social mobility within the Hindu community, it is important to remember that the path is a substitute for egalitarian ideas, action for social justice.
The Hindu Rashtra that is Gujarat works and widens its constituencies with such a vocabulary, such an imagination. Without this context, it is impossible to understand what is happening today. These words are poured out on a daily basis from shakhas, from affiliated bodies that provide education, charity, leisure time activities, combat training and weapons, among men, women and children, urban and rural, rich and poor. Narendra Modi is not an ordinary RSS member, he is a pracharak. A pracharak is the key figure in the entire apparatus. He is celibate, he has no family life or professional work. He is a wholetimer who teaches and disseminates the theme of revenge. Modi has spent an entire lifetime doing just that.
III
One of the most spectacular forms of sadism in the recent events had been the way Muslim female bodies were made to function in the drama of Hindutva terror. There had been earlier anticipations of that. The investigations made by the AIDWA in 1992-93, especially in Surat and Bhopal, pointed out several similar features. Women were “tortured, molested, raped, and then burnt to death.” Sometimes, their children were killed before their eyes. At the same time, more often than not, such atrocities were whispered about and not always confirmed openly. This time, rape victims as well as their male relatives have no inhibition about reporting rape and sexual torture; the police, however, do not admit FIRs on rape, a senior officer claims that mobs have no time for raping, and that Hindus, moreover, do not rape. Fernandes, on the other hand, says that rape is so universally prevalent that Gujarat rapes are not worth talking about. So, it has not happened, or it happens universally; in either case, it cannot or need not be mentioned.
Women have been killed in very large numbers. At the mass grave that was dug on 6 March to provide burial to 96 bodies from Naroda Patiya, 46 women were buried. Bilkees Begum from the Godhra Relief camp told a tale that seemed to confirm a recurrent pattern in most places, according to survivors’ accounts. She was stripped, gang-raped, her baby was killed before her, she was then beaten up, then burnt and left for dead. For variety’s sake, other women also had acid thrown upon them, and then burnt in fires. A women’s’ fact-finding report sums up the usual procedure: ” …rape, gang rape, mass rape, stripping, insertion of objects into their body, molestation… a majority of rape victims were burnt alive. ” Before they were finally killed off, some were beaten up with rods and pipes for almost an hour. Before or after the killing, their vagina would be sliced, or would have iron rods pushed inside. Similarly, their bellies would be cut open or would have hard objects inserted into them. A thirteen year old girl, Farzana, had a rod pushed into her stomach, and was then burnt. A mother reported that her three year old baby girl was raped and killed in front of her, while elsewhere daughters reported on the rapes of their mothers, now dead. Kausar Bano, a young girl from Naroda Patiya was 9 month’s pregnant. Several eyewitnesses testified that she was raped, tortured, her womb was slit open with a sword to disgorge the foetus which was then hacked to pieces and roasted alive with the mother.
At Fatehpura, more than 50 young girls were paraded naked, and then asked to urinate. After they were rescued by a Muslim ambulance service, they travelled to the camp without a stitch on them. Other victims arrived naked at camps, too, after acid had been poured upon their clothes, which they tore off in agony from their burning and peeling bodies.
Medina Mustafa Ismail Shaikh reported from Kalol camp: “My daughter was like a flower, still to experience life…The monsters tore my beloved daughter to pieces..the mob was saying, cut them to pieces, leave no evidence… I saw fires being lit. After some time, the mob started leaving. And it became quiet. ”
It became very quiet, for the voices of children could not be heard. A very large number of parents, especially mothers, had to see their children die in excruciating agony before they, too, were tortured and burnt. At the mass grave for 96 people, they buried a six-month old baby. Fatimabibi, who secretly came to Delhi to testify to the violence, kept repeating dementedly: ” Innocent (masoom) tender babies were crying for water, they filled them up with petrol and then lit them up.” At Randhikapur village, a young pregnant woman first saw her baby cut to piecs. Then she was raped and her foetus was ripped out and killed,. They beat her up and left her for dead. Four year old Asif died of 90% burns after several days’ of agony. Before he died, The Hindu took a photograph of his bandaged face, out of which his large, beautiful, fully aware eyes were blazing out.
One can go on narrating the ways in which babies and women were tortured and killed, but the point here is often the two acts were coupled together. The pattern of cruelty suggests three things. One, the woman’s body was a site of almost inexhaustible violence, with infinitely plural and innovative forms of torture. Second, their sexual and reproductive organs were attacked with especial savagery. Third, their children, born and unborn, shared the attacks and were killed before their eyes.
In readings of community violence, rape is taken to be a sign of collective dishonouring. The same patriarchal order that designates the female body as the symbol of lineage and community purity, would designate the entire collectivity as impure and polluted, once the woman is raped by an outsider. Rape, in Gujarat violence, obviously performed that function. But what, then, is the point of the elements of excess, the surplus of cruelty, and its multifarious forms? We need to remember that the Gujarati press invented the murder of 80 Hindu women on the Sabarmati Express at Godhra, who had been raped and had their breasts cut off – a complete invention, since even the Gujarat police denied the story. However, it served to justify rapes and mutilations of Muslim women within the structure of ” action-reaction” discourse. The fact that revenge went far beyond that is not surprising for revenge is not revenge if it does not outstrip the original offence.. In Delhi, on 28 February, we heard RSS boys shouting: Ek Ka badla Sau me lenge. (We will avenge one death with a hundred”).
Beyond Godhra are the legends that all boys in the shakhas are bred on: partition time rapes of Hindu women, rapes of Hindu queens under Muslim rule, abductions of Hindu women all through history by Muslims. There is also the perpetual fear of a more virile Muslim male body that lures away Hindu girls, a kind of penis envy and anxiety about emasculation that can only be overcome by violent deeds. Violence, for the Sangh, is maleness. In the 1990s, when communal violence had intensified, bangles were sent to localities where riots had not taken place, to taunt Hindu men with effiminacy. At Jawaharlal Nehru University, a post- Godhra procesion of the ABVP chanted: ” Jis Hinduon ka khoon na khola, woh Hindu nahin, woh hijra hain”. (Those Hindus whose blood does not boil, are not Hindus, they are eunuchs’). This identification between killing and masculinity, is a strong and uniquely Sangh teaching. In the Gujarat violence, mobs who raped, sometimes came dressed in khaki shorts or in saffron underwear, rape being obviously seen as a religious duty, a Sangh duty. In times of violence, Hindu male sexual organs must function as instruments of torture.
There is more to it. For generations, anxieties had been whipped up about Muslim fertility rate, of their uncontrolled breeding and numerical outstripping of the Hindu majority. So coupled with anxieties of a comparatively less potent Hindu maleness, there is a fear of infertile Hindu femaleness, and a drying up of future progeny, – the longstanding image of dying Hindus. This is counterposed to that of vigorously self-multiplying Muslims.
Fed on such self-invented self-doubt, Hindu mobs swooped down upon Muslim women and children with multiple but related aims. First, to possess and dishonour them and their men, second to taste what is denied to them and what, according to their understanding, explains Muslim virility. Third, to physically destroy the vagina and the womb, and, thereby, to symbolically destroy the sources of pleasure, reproduction and nurture for Muslim men, and for Muslim children. Then, by beatings, to punish the fertile female body. Then, physically destroying the children, they signified an end to Muslim growth. Then, by cutting up the foetus and burning it, a symbolic destruction of future generations, of the very future of Muslims themselves. The burning of men, women and children, as the final move, served multiple functions: it was to destroy evidence, it was to make Muslims vanish, it was also to desecrate Muslim deaths by denying them Islamic burial, and forcing a Hindu cremation upon them.
There were, thus, many layers of signification, of symbolic meanings that went into the act that were repeated by different mobs at different locales, but on fairly identical lines. They can be aligned to Sangh teachings, stereotypes and fantasies. This also explains why the same female body was subjected to a series of sexual humiliation, torture, mutilation and obliteration. Conjoined with the bodies of their children, they provided a site where the entire drama of revenge was enacted in its long and complicated sequence.
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
Why do you call your dad— a buddha who has gone mad? Who’s DNA are you? Haven’t seen one with such crass language for a long time.
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
I learnt it from Nehru who called Gandhi Buddha.
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
If you learnt it from Nehru it must be by reading a book on him by some Sanghi hack. You need to be educated all over again — from class one— if you have ever been to school.
Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 9:18 pm
Pl. research more…This comes from pro-congress media..Nehru indeed called Gandhi Buddha…
What kind of cr*ap journo you are? You don’t even know your masters.
V.K.CHAWLA Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
At least write your own real name or you are actually Vinod Sharma writing as blogger & also appreciating yourself after seeing your face in a mirror , placed in front of you .
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 9, 2011 at 12:14 am
I think Vinod Sharma now stands exposed and marginalised on his own blog.
Have mercy on those OLD MAN (sounds better than Buddha).
Sharmaji,
You better start respecting other before demanding same from others. There are far better people on this earth than your masters Sonia and rahul.
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Pankaj#1 says:
February 9, 2011 at 5:01 am
@ Vinod;
Have you gone so down in life that you have to say that ram autar has guts? I can understand your compulsions and low IQ. is this our national print media? it is being brought down to level lower than moffusil hand bills.
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
Ram Autar’s long post is above. Address yourself to him if you have the attention span.
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 9:06 pm
I guess Rat Autar is the only ally of Mr.Sharma.
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Pankaj#1 says:
February 9, 2011 at 5:03 am
@ Every one,
This is not a flippant observation. Has our national media been compromised?. ISI recruitment of our Journos is not a humbug. Give it a serious thought, Please.
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SKS_Mumbai says:
February 9, 2011 at 7:54 am
This is real breaking news,
Ram Autar the gutsy has found a new source- Moved beyond Dalit nation.
Of course sometime later he wld find this writer was also a Bramhin conspiracy.
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Praveen Saxena says:
February 9, 2011 at 10:42 am
The Supreme Court has exprssed its dismay that Reform Laws have been enacted so far only for Hindus. This is not true secularism.
But I say that we now have a very enlightened person having very progressive views and immense persuasive powers in the National Minorities Commission and we are confident that things shall finally change .
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vijay Kumar Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 11:02 am
@ Vinod Sharma,
Sir, will you take up the challenge? You are in the NMC on behalf of Hindus. Now don’t you think it is your prime duty to see that all communities reform their marriage laws as Hindus have done.
As I have explained in a posting above, empowerment of women is the way any country and religion can move away from terrorism.
When you made fun of the RSS who talk about Hinduism I requested that you also talk about Deobandis whose agenda is to return the subcontinent to Islamic rule, which the British had snatched!
You chose not to so and instead accused me of bullying :) :)
Now will you take up the challenge the SC has thrown. Or resort to the lies Rajiv Gandhi did in the Shah Bano case… :D :D
Humbly awaiting your answer,
Your nephew
Vijay :D :D
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
Vijay,
Vinod Sharma is in NMC for for minority hindus (in J&K and NE) but to serve interests on sarkari minorities muslims and christians.
The concept of minority in India is joke…everyone other than hindus is minority THRUOUT INDIA…What about hindus in J&K and NE?
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
correction-
Vinod Sharma is in NMC NOT for minority hindus (in J&K and NE) but to serve interests on sarkari minorities muslims and christians.
The concept of minority in India is joke…everyone other than hindus is minority THRUOUT INDIA…What about hindus in J&K and NE?
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vijay Kumar says:
February 9, 2011 at 10:54 am
@ Pankaj,
As far as ISI agents in the media go, I don’t think Vinod Sharma is one. He is just living in a dream world where he feels supporting Congress can deliver largese :)
Yes there are some other media persons who could have been comprimised as Madhuri Gupta had been.
However, yes our media is badly comprimised. The Radia tapes have just shown one square inch of flesh of what a ***** the media has become…
Sorry if I sound offensive. It is just my anger coming out…
And further on the probe into the Raja and 2G kickbacks shows that part of the money has gone to finance Karunanidhi’s channel. While Neera Radiia also talks about paying the salaries of news channel 9x.
So listen to these mediamen with a pinch of salt. And then remember Arun shourie, Chandan Mitra, Chitra Subrmanium and MJ Akbar. And even Vinod Mehta. left or right they may be. At least they never sold their body and soul for money…. :) :)
And who
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Pankaj#1 Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Vijay;
It is a great relief to learn that possibility of Vinodji being in pay roll of ISI too, is non existent. He has been to Pakistan so many times and probably stayed there too, his roots were also there and ISI is known to manipulate emotions and loneliness( Madhuri).
I will strongly recommend all people to read CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS by Samuel Hutington and though I do not agree with him 100%, there is lot of truth in it. It was written in 1998 and subsequent events are proving him right. At least, that will give us a wider perspective on history , present and future.
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Raghavendra says:
February 9, 2011 at 11:01 am
Mr Vinod Sharma
you said BJP slept when pakistan army entered our territory through Kargil. i wish to ask you at the end of the day i wish to ask you 1 simple question
DID THE BJP IN IT’S 6 YEAR RULE LOSE EVEN AN INCH OF INDIAN TERRITORY TO ANY OTHER COUNTRY?
IF BJP WAS SLEEPING WHEN KARGIL HAPPENED THEN WHAT WAS YOUR FIRST PRIME
MINISTER DOING WHEN CHINA NOT ONLY ENTERED OUR AREAS BUT ALSO OCCUPIED OUR TERRITORY, TILL THIS DAY CHINA OCCUPIES THOSE AREAS.
DID YOUR GREAT PANDIT NEHRU RESIGN AFTER LOSS TO CHINA IN 1962?
THAT MAN NEHRU WASA SHAMELESS POLITICIAN MAY BE HE MUST HAVE APPLIED FEVISTICK ON HIS BOTTOM WHILE HE SAT ON HIS CHAIR.
YOU NEED ME TO TELL ABOUT THAT GUY KRISHNA MENON?
MR SHARMA DONT SEE THINGS FROM JAUNDICED EYESIGHT.CONGRESS PARTY LOST OF THOUSANDS OF SQUARE KILOMETERS OF OUR LAND TO PAKITAN AND CHINA DURING THEIR RULE. YOU STILL FEEL THOSE QUATTROCHI BHAKT CONGRESSMEN ARE PATRIOTS?
WHOLE WORLD KNOWS YOU ARE CONGRESS CRONY AND NEVER TRY TO HIDE IT.
COME OUT AND SAY IT OPENLY.
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SKS_Mumbai says:
February 9, 2011 at 12:54 pm
I don’t think ISI is recruiting our journos and it is because ISI doesn’t have smart brains. Why do I think so?
Remember there was a recent incident relating wikileaks in Pakistan? Some newspapers reported the alleged content of some wires from US Embassy in India. These wires showed that:
Indian generals in J&K are worse than Nazis, that
Hemant Karkare had sought an appointment with US ambassador as he was under threat not just from Hindu Terrorists, but also Intelligence/ Army etc etc.
Some stars of Pakistani Media also wrote editorials based in those wires with titles like “Real Face of India”
In less than 24 hours a brave blogger from Pakistan exposed the fraud and showed these wires were fake, and had originated from a source generally believed to be used by ISI for its propaganda.
Immediately Guardian, UK proved that expose by the blogger was genuine. Thereafter the story was picked by International Media as also desi media.
But what happened next?
The PAK journalist who first wrote the story was fired from his job. The newspaper issued front page apology and senior columnists ( including retired diplomats) who had written on that story withdrew their articles and issued apologies.
Compare that to Indian secular scenario.
Top notch journalists freely claim (or quote rabid communalists like Shabnam Hashmi “without fully endorsing”) that RSS killed Karkare, did we see any one resign or apologize?
Nope, except one: Mr. Aziz Burney, in Digvijay Singh’s own words, his very good friend, who recently issued an unconditional apology to RSS not because of any divine awakening of journalistic ethics, it was the fear of jail as RSS has filed a criminal case against him for defamation.
So the point is if ISI guys were really smart, they would have never wasted their time and money on the highly unreliable PAK Media, where journalists have to resign for mundane things like baseless reporting.
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B.V.SHENOY says:
February 9, 2011 at 2:03 pm
Vinodji, /Raghavendra,
You said, “And Kargil? Whose failure was it in keeping vigil on our borders? The Pakis came into our territory and your leaders slept.”
This is mere rhetoric. The political leaders might have slept might have spent sleepless nights, it doesn’t make one bit of difference to the forces guarding our borders. If it were not so, The **** army would have come and entered our parliament during the premiership of Deve Gowda, because Deve Gowda slept through most of his “waking hours”.
Even though India didn’t lose an inch of territory, the Kaangress people keep harking back to Kargil as if it was such a humiliating tragedy. As against this “tragedy” there have been some comdedies during the long rule of the kaangressies, some of which are as follows:
1. In Kashmir in 1947, we had the tragi-comic spectacle of Nehru surrendering half of the state of J&K to Pakis even when our army had, against stupendous odds won the war. This comedy will never fail to entertain generations of Pakistanis. In the bargain, we lost several precious lives of soldiers.
But, for many years Nehru could sleep well.
2. In 1962, again, Nehru, went into a war with China against saner counsel from the army generals and suffered the greatest humiliation of his life from which he never recovered.
He also lost his sleep and suffered paralysis.
3. In 1987, against all sane counsel, Rajiv Gandhi committed our army into the IPKF and lost the battles against the LTTE as also the war for the hearts of Indians.
But, he didn’t lose a single day’s sleep.
4. In 1984, Indira Gandhi marched our army in Amritsar and here too, against saner counsel, had the Golden temple, the most sacred institution of the Sikhs, destroyed just in order to kill Bhinderanwale.
She slept well for a few months, but then a few months later lost her own life and also caused 4000 Sikh men, women and even children to be massacred on the streets and homes of Delhi.
But, the other leaders of the congress party slept soundly ever after.
(In an earlier blog of yours, when I used the word ****, it was censored by the moderator.)
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
Shenoy Saab,
Let us remind Vinod of congress’s response every time there was report of China occupying (nibbling away) our territory in Arunachal.
Inspite of Army saying that Chinese are nibbling away in Arunachal, Congress govt. denied any such event.
Remember great Nehru hid the fact from Indian public that Aksai Chin was in chinese control. When confronted with facts, he came up with famous statement ‘Not a blade of grass grows there’.
If Kargil had happened under congress watch, the congress govt. would have hid this pakistani aggression and gifted away that territory to pakistan. Atleast BJP took Pakistan by the horns and allowed Army to operate.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 10:47 am
Rajiv,
It is indisputable that Nehru’s reply to a question by Nath Pai, PSP MP, about China occupying Aksai Chin (not a blade of grass grows there) was very insensitive and stupid. But Nath Pai’s response was equally memorable and witty. He said, “Not a hair grows on this head of mine. Can I therefore cut it off and throw away?”
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
During the 80s, chinese nibbled away parts of Arunachal but congress hid it from the nation.
This is how Vinod Sharma’s party operates on security.
I consider Vinod Sharma a smiling version of Manish Tiwari. He thinks that with all these antics he can win heart of Maa-Sonia. He at best can become a clown in congress circus.
Congress is basically party of dhoti-terrorists who are indulging in political, financial and physical terrorism but Sharmaji being a Brahmin can’t see anything other than Dakshina.
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
It is good to be somebody’s smiling version rather than being a one big **** …..:)) By the way, do you call your dad buddha?
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
I thought you called your dad buddha..
vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
When did you last see your dad in the elders’ home that you dumped him at? Give me his address so that I can do whatever I can for his blessings. It is really tragic to have children like you Mr Lout.
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 8:33 pm
Look who is talking…the guy who dumped his parents to serve his wife…
I will never stoop to your level..no matter what..
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Vijay Kumar says:
February 9, 2011 at 4:43 pm
@ Everyone…
One thing we the people of India have to guard aginst:-
In 1987, Rajiv Gandhi when cuaght in the Bofors kickbacks saga tried to divert the attention of the country by sending the IPKF to Lanka, to fight with a force the Congress government had trained.
1300 Indian soldiers lives were sacrificed, for diverting the attention from Bofors. In the end today we see that the Sri Lankan Tamils too are worse off than what would have happened had India treid a negotiated settlement for their rights…
And the Muslim women too got a bad deal, because Rajiv’s spin doctors made him bend before communalists
But alas the corruption tag and fear of Mr Q getting exposed scared Rajiv ji…
Today too, the COngress caught in the “scam after scam” saga may just comprimise on national interest and downplay Pakistani terrorism and just sell the country’s interest…
let’s guard against that !!
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Rajiv says:
February 9, 2011 at 6:42 pm
If ISI wanted to recruit Indian journos to do filthy[propoganda for Pak criminal entity, its very easy.
1. Open a office in Delhi called ‘Promotion of Indo-Pak understanding”
2. Offer free kabobs every evening
Then journalists like Sharma, either because of zero understanding of Pakistan or lure of free kabobs, would line up.
Journos like him should ask the 1st fundamental question.
Q1. Are the powers in Pakistan today, any different in character to those who in cold blood murdered millions of Pakistani ciitizens and minorities in East Pakistan ?
Q2. Has the Pak army/ISI which rule Pakistan, with active collaboration with mullah-landlord constituency, grown even more vile, even more criminal than 1971 ?
Q3. Is Pak entity a greater promotor of terrorism than ever before in its pathetic history ?
Q4. Can Indian engagement change the character and nature of the state fathered by Jinnah and nurtured by bhutto-zia-Taleban-ISI-Lashker-e-toiba ?
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Vijay Kumar says:
February 9, 2011 at 7:11 pm
@ Vinod Sharma,
Seeing the postings on your blog, except for the low grade ISI agent with a fake name, nobody really seems to support you on your current stance. Don’t you think that this is what is going to happen to the COngress very soon…. ?
You may say that you don’t care… but then can the COngress say that if it wants votes…?
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
Don’t worry about Congress or its supporters. Keep doing your job or you wouldn’t be paid— either in cash or in kind. Environment banao for the party of your choice Mr Engineer.
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 9, 2011 at 8:25 pm
You must read Subramaniam Swamy’s chat-
http://ibnlive.in.com/chat/view/587.html [Click to see nuggets from this page]
I am no fan of this guy. I actually consider him kind of a destabilizing force but under the current circumstances he is doing a great job.
He is the only man in India who openly challenges mafia Nehru-Gandhi family and gets away with it because Nehru-Gandhi are too scared to take on this man.
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ram autar Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 10:54 pm
this bstrd brhmn has no following either in south or in north.brhmncl media gives him importance
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V.K.CHAWLA Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
NAKLI NAAM ; SHAM KAAM
THE WAY YOU ARE WRITING IS CLEAR YOU ARE WITH A PSEUDO NAME & YOUR WRITING IS TOO SHAM. GROW UP MAN OR WOMEN ; A SHIKHANDI FOR SOMEONE’s NEED
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
Where is the proof that you and the rest of the chorus singers are real? Many of you are fakes. If not, post your full personal details and ask others to do the same. .
B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 11:28 am
Ram Autar,
tum islam ke naam par ek kalank ho (kalank ka matlab samazthe ho?)
Ram naam ke peeche chupe rehte ho
Lekin Vinod Sharma thum par prasann hain,
Thume kaangress mein bharthi karaana chahate hain
Bolo, Vats, thum kya chahte ho?
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Praveen Saxena Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
Arre Shenoy Saab yeh kya kar rahe hain.
Cover your nose with your hanky and move away from there.
Praveen Saxena Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
Arre Shenoy saab yeh kya kar rahe hain.
Cover your nose with your hanky and move away from there.
vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
Arrey dekho yeh court jester kya kah rahen hain? Bhartee ki baat karte hain yeh bina bataye ke inki paathshala kahan hai and inke guru Yeddy ne inko dhanda kaise sikhaya hai.
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 9, 2011 at 9:09 pm
Nehru called GANDHI Buddha after Independence. He called his own mentor Buddha.
Then another old man Kesri was pushed away from stage at the instruction of Sharma’s Maa Sonia. Where was SHarma’s rage then.
But I am not arrogant like Sharma’s heroes so I’ll call Mr.Sharma Congressi Old Man from now on.
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V.K.CHAWLA says:
February 9, 2011 at 9:58 pm
The replies of Vinod Sharma to many bloggers defies logic most of times & many times it stoops to very low standards & even some times touches the limits of vulgarity . I fail to understand why he has to defend the Congress Party & its corrupt leaders , every time & always targets BJP & its leaders , most of times .
Today’s newspapers newsitem depicts how the Nehru & Congress spread the network of pseudo secularism in India , by targetting only Hindus & their religion , leaving Christians & Muslims to their religious leadership , which clearly shows how Congress has done the selective damage to our religion , in the name of secularism . I know the Congress & its minions can take a stand the Congress has taken many progressive initiative in Hindu Religion as there were many shortcomings in it then like Sati Pratha , Child Marriage But there were also many shortcomings in other religions also which Congress was reluctant to touch , lest those voters got annoyed .The SC judgement is a very big slap to Congress & its bootlickers & minions . Now a news in NavBharatTimes , a minister in Rajasthan vomits a very interesting story to his congress fellowmen while telling them to be loyal to Congress Leadership. He says that as Pratibha Patil , the present President of the country , used to handle Kitchen work & cooking etc., & even wash utensils in the house of Indira Gandhi , in 1977 , after the defeat of Indira Gandhi in General Election , So she was awarded by the foreigner president of Congress while making her president of India . So this is the story of great Congress Party which the likes of Vinod Sharma , are spreading like a honey which is actually a poison which has taken the country to newest low levels , everytime & eachtime.
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Must compliment you for your regularity on this blog. But am unwilling to respond to your puppet act as I can see who holds the strings. So have a glass of cold water and stop fretting or expecting me to engage with you intellectually —- until you stop hurling baseless insinuations and allegations.
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V.K.CHAWLA Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 12:09 am
I saw you singing the peanes to congress party like a puppet in most of the video conferencing which you are supposed to do , on behalf of yours slave masters . We have our intelligence & can dissect the happenings in a mature manner & can see the bitter truths of congress party & how it is looting our hard earned money in the name of governace . As I see the jesters in a court e, the Manish Tiwaris , Jayanti Natrajans , The Shakeel Ahmeds blaberring the inanes , senseless things & you also fits in the slot of all these blabbers , very accurately & also downsized as a dwarf , in the bargain . The way you are answering , in a vary shameless , vulgar way ; I can only pay my regrets to the nation in which the congress has done a considerable damage to every men , material & everything including everything . I really regret the way your teachers , parents made you grow with very immature hands.
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(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
@VK Chawla
Yes sir, this minister in Rajasthan told the truth and a recipe for other Congress people to follow the example of our President to be rewarded. The poor man had to resign for speaking this truth.
Look at the record of ND Tewari, the ex-governor of Andhra who wears a Gandhi cap but see the action in bed for which he was kicked out of Raj Bhawan. Now he has ultimately to undergo DNA paternity test for the illegitimate child he had. The unwilling 80 year old congress politician has to get it done because of court order. I am sure at least this is not a baseless insinuation.This man was the central minister, a CM and then a governor. Is that what Congress party is made of and our renowned journalist is often seen to be proud to defend?
As a response, I am sure he will come up only with Yeddi story whether it fits or not in this narration.
BNA
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 7:36 pm
Dr. Anand,
The only difference between Kans Raj Bharadwaj and NDT is that Bharadwaj doesn’t wear a topee. As for deeds, both are infamous for misusing the Raj Bhawans. Last week, Bharadwaj refused to confer an honourary doctorate onDr. Chidananda Murthy, a great Kannada scholar on the untenable ground that Dr. Murthy said two days earlier that there shgould be no conversion by the church by using money and other enticements. Finally, under pressure from the whole of Karnataka, this intelligence-challenged governor had to honour Dr. Murthy with the doctorate.
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vijay kumar says:
February 9, 2011 at 10:44 pm
@ Vk Chawla
Is this washing utensils thing actually true?
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V.K.CHAWLA Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
I do not know but it is what the minister of Rajasthan has said in a party meeting , as per reports of today’s NBT. But if I go to the history of the that times , I remember that there were reports in those days , of Patil handling the kitchen of Indira Gandhi as many people close to Indira chose to keep distance from her after her defeat of 1997 election.
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 10:52 pm
It’s true. Pratibha Patil was a congress leader but used to work in Nehru-gandhi’s family kitchen. I read this in pro-congress media.
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Rajiv Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 12:34 am
Well, she may have been close enough to the family, to occasionally manage the kitchen! That wouldn’t disqualify her by itself. But what I find is that she did not have the stature before she was ‘appointed/elected’ president nor does she have it now.
Regarding India and Af-pak, journos should remember that
India : Sane entity with a few insane people ( like any other civilized country )
Pak : Insane entity with a few sane people.
Once that is understood, India and its journalists won’t waste time trying to engage or understand the demented, vile entity ruled by thug-ISI-Army-mullah-LeT mafia.
B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 11:19 am
Chawlaji/Vijay Kumar,
This honouring of the faithful and dishonouring/punishing of the dissenters is not new to the congress party. In fact, it is one of its founding policies, right from the days of Mahatma Gandhi.
I remember the meteoric rise of C.K.Jaffar Sharief. He was a mere driver of Nijalingappa, the then congress president, during whose tenure the party was vertically split into two groups called Syndicate ( the old guard) and the Indicate or rebels headed by Indira Gandhi. Jaffar Sharief was supposed to have overheard the conspiracy to overthrow Gandhi from the PM’s chair, hatched by the Syndicate bosses while driving them around in Bangalore, which he faithfully reported to her.
This greatly helped her to pre-empt them and wrest the control of the party. Sharief was amply rewarded and he later rose to become the Railway minister, even though he is a semi-literate.
Subhash Chandra Bose too was thrown out of the congress by Gandhiji because he dared to oppose Gandhiji on policy issues. So was Rajaji.
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Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 11:45 am
ANother school dropout is Balwa and now a billionare in the FOrbes journals.
How? he routed kickback cash to TV channels and possibly stored money overseas. DB realty is really about the reality of Indian politicans and their saga of kickbacks !! :)
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Rajiv says:
February 10, 2011 at 12:55 am
Excellent read by Ashok K Mehta, retired from Indian army, in
Dhaka Diaary
http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?270312 [Click to see nuggets from this page]
Back in 1971
Forty years on, last month, I revisited Bangladesh, formerly East Pakistan. There were striking differences in the mode of travel and purpose. Last time, I was part of the Indian Army Liberation Forces, invited by the Bangladesh government in exile in support of the Mukti Bahini which had revolted against West Pakistan. The invasion was through Dinajpur on to Bogra and Dhaka against stiff opposition. This time around, the invitation was from Gen Abdul Mubeen, chief of Bangladesh army, to Indian war veterans to commemorate the victory. Against 16 days in 1971, we took under two hours to land at the Hazrat Shah Jalal International Airport, Dhaka, to a red-carpet reception.
Following a limber-up session by the Indian High Commission, we were received for a freedom fighter’s dinner hosted by Maj Ameen Matin, on the eve of the 40th anniversary of the liberation war. The noblest of beverages stimulated stirring speeches of welcome and grateful acknowledgement: “Without you we would not be a country.” That sentiment became the spirit and metaphor for the week-long visit, only the second since the creation of Bangladesh.
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Wreath & Row
Before the crack of dawn, December 16, we’re driven 30 km outside Dhaka on the road to Jessore to the nearby 9 Infantry Division headquarters and the National Martyrs’ Memorial at Savar. The route is covered with colourful arches and huge banners of Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina, her late father and now father of the nation, Sheikh Mujibur Rahman and her son Shajib Wajid Joy. Supporters of the now begum no. 2, Khaleda Zia, and hoardings with her pictures, her son Tariq Zia and the late Gen Ziaur Rahman are also plentiful.
The simple but striking marble mausoleum with seven minarets honours seven Bangla Ratnas—all freedom fighters. The cabinet and members of Parliament of the ruling Awami League stand in the front rows. Behind them are members of the diplomatic community, ambassadors with defence attaches. We war veterans are in the third row and behind us are senior officers of the Bangladesh armed forces. The honour guard reverses arms as buglers strike the last post followed by the rouse. President Mohammad Zillur Rahman, accompanied by Hasina, lay wreaths with leader of opposition Khaleda conspicuously absent. She joined the ceremony later with her supporters. The unending battle of the begums is a trifle boring for many locals and foreigners.
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V-day Show
The Victory Day parade is like our own Republic Day parade. It was suspended when Khaleda was in power. A special VIP enclosure is earmarked for Indian war veterans and our presence acknowledged by the commentator in English—though not in Bangla. Marching contingents combine splendour with harmony. Leading are the freedom fighters and the elite President’s Guard Regiment. The NCC contingent is led by Capt Bijoy Kumar Roy, apparently the only Hindu officer on the parade. The climax of the parade is a flypast and aerobatics of Chinese F-7 and Russian MiG-29 fighters.
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Ruins of a War
A Bangladesh Air Force Mi-117 flies us across the Meghna river to the famous Mainamati Cantonment in Comilla. Mainamati is home to the 33 Infantry Division, nestling among tea bushes, bunkers and buildings of World War II vintage. We see the recently restored Gen Bill Slim’s command post, dug 52 feet into a hillock with a central chimney for ventilation and three entrances. In October 1943, Gen Slim shifted his 14 Army Headquarters from Barrackpore near Calcutta to Mainamati. It remained there till October 1944 when he moved to Imphal after the tide of war turned defeat into victory.
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Jai Bangla
As memorable as the first evening was our last—both spent in the company of ageing but energetic war veterans. Five of Bangladesh’s army chiefs were freedom fighters—K.M. Saifullah, Ziaur Rahman, Naseem, Mushafiz Rahman and Haroon Rashid. The reception to cap the visit was held by Maj Tajul Islam, the Minister for Liberation War. War stories are exchanged. My best is about the inebriated Jackie Bogra, son of Pakistan’s first prime minister, Mohammed Ali Bogra. When we found him, he was hiding under an Elizabethan bed in his mini palace which was ransacked by the Mukti Bahini. His fear of death was averted by Hercules rum and two Gorkha johnnies posted as guards.
More speeches were made thanking India and its armed forces for the birth of Bangladesh. The most telling testament of good faith and gratitude is the line-up for the final goodbye. At the head is Maj Islam, senior freedom fighters and the three serving armed forces chiefs. Recipients of high-sentiment Bangla gratitude, 30 kg of gifts and overweight by several kilos of hospitality, the war veterans return home chanting Jai Bangla.
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Praveen Saxena says:
February 10, 2011 at 11:19 am
On the ISRO S – band deal, Sardarji’s office says there has been no revenue loss . What was left unsaid was that “The CAG caught us before it could happen”
Now we will move faster than the CAG.
We do not have to worry about the CVC’s office. That problem has been nipped in the bud.
In the Supreme Court we would like to see more of Justice Shivraj Patils. We do not like Justice A K Ganguly and his types.
Patil has done a good job , we expect Shunglu to do an equally good job about the CWG.
We take efficient r care of the cases of Mulayam Singh and Mayawati. We conduct the orchestra and the CBI does the Rock and Roll. If the SC pulls it up , it does not matter, because we cut the deal with the Director ,before we appoint him.
We have now decided to regularly send our Mob, Singhvi , Tiwari and Natarajan to Srinagar , on invitation of Yasin Malik , to undrergo referesher courses in stone pelting.
Then we also have some others who do their job but with smiles on their faces.
Pl have patience , we shall sell all before we leave.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 11:42 am
“The CAG caught us before it could happen”
In other word, “we were caught with our pants down, but other ‘things’ were in their places.
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Vijay Kumar says:
February 10, 2011 at 11:40 am
~~~~~:D :D :D ~~ Na BAAP bada na BHAIYA ~~~~ :D :D :D ~~~~
~~~~~ :D :D The whole thing is that :D :D :D
~~~ :D :D :D ~~ KI SABSE BADA RUPAIYAA !!!!!!!!!!!! ~~~ :D :D :D ~~~
Dear Vinodji,
You literally spent the last 3 months abusing Yedurappa to divert attention from 2 G.
And now your newspaper has taken 4 full pages of advertisements featuring Yedurappa and the positive changes he has bought about in Karnataka…
Dear Sir, yeh kya ho raha hai????? COuld you not refuse the money which came along with this specail feature? Or is this paid news? Or are you still going to shout out Yeddy… Yeddy… Goebbelks style, everytime loot by UPA comes forward?? :D
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
Why don’t you ask your friend who you claim works for HT and makes you frequent the place like a vagabond. Why don’t you drop by when you are at HT House or on the road opposite. I’d make you feel wanted and give u a cup of tea.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
Vinodji,
Hindustan Times employee and friendship with a vagabond? No, no. Thoda apna reputation ka bhi khayal kariye, please.
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ram autar Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
The so-called Indian democracy is a reflection of the “million mutinees”, so beautifully portrayed by the Brahmin, V.S. Naipaul. India is not a democracy but a ruthless dictatorship of the Brahminical racists in which their own women are being suffocated to death.
Every section of the society is collapsing. Kalmadi’s Commonwealth Game is the latest proof.
WAR WITH CHINA
No country can come up by deceiving, gagging, starving and killing its own people.
Forget about surpassing China, we will not be surprised if the Indian rulers, in their mad frenzy to further squeeze the slaves of India, will by accident get into a bloody war with China and subject India to greater calamity than the 200-year-old British rule.
Already a third of India is in the grip of the so-called Maoist armed rebellion of the oppressed Dalits and Tribals. The rulers are tolerating it because its leadership is with their own jatwalas. On the other side is the bigger threat of Kashmir on the North and nuclear Pakistan on the West. China has already circled the whole of India.
The Indian army itself is mired in corruption and its leadership is totally upper caste, totally cowardly and hated by the jawans who do the actual fighting.
IDLI-SAMBAR WALAS
With Idli-sambarwala vegetarian Brahminists, who know nothing but bluffing and bragging, will they be able to face two external enemies like the beef-eating Pakistani Muslims and China, already a super power — and many furious internal enemies like Dalits, Muslims, OBCs, Sikhs, Mongoloid North-Eastern tribals?
When a country is internally so weak and also hostile, how can it face the powerful external enemies?
EURASIANS DON’T LOVE INDIA
vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
Have u been hired by others as their lawyer? Lot of difference between a vagabond and like a vagabond. I thought your english was good.
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 10, 2011 at 2:48 pm
A self professed Yeddy acolyte is your friend and visits this blog very religiously (put intended). Why don’t you ask him?
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nirav Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
So now we have a accused cabinet secretary BK investigating the S band scam…
After Mr thomas an acccused and chargesheeted and involved in the 2G spectrum investigating the 2G spectrum…
Very soon we will have Mr vinod investigating the sell out of the indian press….
Fox guarding the chicken coop:)
Ms Bartender -ruling the country
Mr Yes man and blind and deaf man-Prime minister
Ms utensil watcher and cook-President
Mr Curropt OLD MAN-cheap (pun intended) unoffical party spokesman
Mr ISI india- Future heir and baba of the party
It reminds me
“IF THE OPPOSITE OF PRO IS CON,
THEN THE OPPOSITE OF PROGRESS IS CONGRESS”
ohhh i forgot Misnister of minority (islamic) affairs undercover mr vinod wont understand an English idiom so only for u Mr vinod,
سلم القط مفتاح الكرار
sallem el-oTT mofta7 el-karaar
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
Urdu likhte ho. Indresh Kumar ke saath kaam kiya hai kya? Agar yes, tou ham jantey hain kya kaam kiya hoga Mr N Godse.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
Is this N.Godse any relative of Mugdha Godse, the darling of the tinsel world?
nirav Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
@Vinod Sharma
Main to apka congress government ka mulasim hu.(Central Employee)..any comments now??:)However unlike you i am payrolls of indian governement not congress party…
Well ,
aur apne Quadrochi,A raja,Thomas,Radia k sath kaam kiya hoga…
Aur hum jante hai kya kaam kiya hoga aur kar rahe ho..
BTW what is you Swiss acount number and did you also get a friendly notice from the congress governement:)
Hum yeh bhi jante hai ki apne sonia k bartan mange honge…
Which now makes you eligible to be the president of india……
I have been visiting you blogs n number of times and i am yet to see one good reason you have put forward for your puppy love for the congress party….
It looks like it is a well paid job your are doing rather than any idealogical reasons…
@ Shenoy sir,
N ghodse is Vinod sharmas childhood crush which he cant forget….
I am sure he will soon write an artice on article 377…..:)
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ram autar says:
February 10, 2011 at 3:34 pm
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:Corruption can’t be eradicated until Brahminism is the reigning religion The world’s most corrupt people have suddenly started talking, writing and reading about corruption. What is this wonder?
No. No. There is nothing to be shocked about an old woman talking about chastity. This sudden front-paging of corruption stories is aimed at assuring and applying balm on the hurt mind of the victims of corruption to deceive us. Suddenly the old woman is talking of chastity.
Never believe these rascals.
Remember corruption is the other word for Brahminism. Nothing can be done about it. Brahminism is born in corruption. Money corruption is the smallest portion of the over-all world of this corruption.
Sai Baba’s protective umbrella
Look at the Satya Sai Baba blessing all the notorious corrupt rascals at Puttaparti recently on his birthday. The “Khatri Sick” PM and Karnataka’s notoriously corrupt CM, Yeddyurappa, were there. Because they all know that this Ba Ba Black Sheep protects all the corrupt rascals. He is keeping the money of all such rascals.
We assure you we can’t bring down the level of corruption (we mean the money corruption), even by a centimeter as long as we live with this monster called Brahminism.
The Supreme Court itself said on Nov.26, 2010 that Allahabad High Court judges are corrupt (TOI Nov.27, 2010). An ex-Union Law Minister has named the corrupt Supreme Court judges.
“Khatri Sick” PM & Spectrum scam
In the Bombay Adarsha Housing scam, Army, Navy and Air Force chiefs were named.
In the Spectrum Scam, in which a poor Dalit Minister’s head was cut, reports say the “Khatri Sick” himself is involved.
Media corruption
Nira Radia, the glamorous big business PRO in Delhi, has exposed the media corruption about which DV has been shouting all these years.
The media men, being mostly Brahminists, are the most corrupt.
Their corruption was exposed in the “paid news” for which the Times is the market leader. The media, however, suppressed the news. But it is bound to come out because one corrupt rascal is jealous of the other corrupt rascal who has made more money and has a bigger clout.
But most of the fellows involved in this neck-deep corruption are the Aryan upper caste Big Brothers (15%) who alone are the rulers.
The penniless SC/ST/BCs and Muslim (younger brothers) naturally would like to imitate their Big Brahminical Brothers. Imitating the elders is a natural instinct.
Laxmi not Saraswati worshipped
Brahminists glamourise wealth. Laxmi is worshipped. Saraswati dumped into debris. The so-called goddess of learning is killed in cold blood.
Look at the TOI giving a front-page honour to Ambani’s new mansion in Bombay. By reading this story every young man would like to possess such a mansion. He would make money — beg, borrow, or steal. And finally get caught.
But nothing will happen to the Ambanis. They have direct link with the highest in the country.
Brahminism is spreading corruption — money, moral, intellectual and even mental. The Brahminists are only money corrupt. But they are inflicting moral and mental corruption on our people.
As long as we don’t get rid of Brahminism, SC/ST/BCs and Muslim/Christian/Sikhs (the Bahujan Samaj 85%), cannot free themselves from money, moral, intellectual and mental corruption
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veer bhallal Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
if you think corruption is due to Brahmanism, your right place should be mental asylum, do not post **** material, why there is corruption in up, j & k, Kerala, mizoland, nagaland where Brahmins are not at helm of affairs
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Rajiv says:
February 10, 2011 at 7:10 pm
Ram-autar is a jinnah-autar from some prison for idiots He is here to provide comic relief.
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Pankaj#1 says:
February 10, 2011 at 7:59 pm
@ Every one;
dear bloggers;
Yesterday, I was full of remorse for my comments. It looks like, as if, we have ganged up against Vinod and in desperation, he is embracing, people like ram autar. I would like to quote here voltaire, who says_I do not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it-.
If Vinod is not a gracious host, we need not to be a boorish guest. I visit this blog to have some insight into our immediate environment, but find it, to have been reduced to thukka-fajeeti, calling names to each other. it is best to ignore, this shadow, which goes by the name ram autar. if you care to see, he is a foot soldier of propaganda brigade of islam international. he has zero knowledge of india and indians, and he just reproduce material from internet, where you will find all kind of misinformation. I can bet last rupee in my wallet, if he can write 10 lines in english, on his own. throw stone at muck, and some of it may stick to you. there are other people to take care of him.
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Pankaj#1 says:
February 10, 2011 at 8:04 pm
@ Every one;
I also feel that Shri Vinodji write in this way, just to get attention, other wise, better posts , do not attract more than 5-10 comments. So, badnaam huye to kya naam to hoga.
For Buddha controversy, I remember, Akbar Allahabadi, who wrote: Hum un sab kitabon ko kabil-e- jabti samajh te hain, jinhen, padh padh kar bachche, maan baap ko khabti samajh te hain:
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 4, 2011 at 10:30 pm
It looks like this Anhad conference was SPONSORED by LeT supporter Sonia-Rahul Gandhi and Digvijay Singh.
The muslims have been in forefront of terrorism worldwide so to claim that they resorted to terrorism because of Babri is a sick joke.
As far as saffron or HINDU terrorism is concerned, it is more retaliatory in nature which is equally wrong.
It is time to go after all the terrorists including Christian and Congressi terrorists as well. The congress is the mother of Islamic, Christian and Maoist terror in India.
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ram autar Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 2:43 am
The muslims have been in forefront of terrorism worldwide so to claim that they resorted to terrorism because of Babri is a sick joke
muslims have not resorted to terrorism inspite of ur meanness of demolishing babri mosque.whe we decide to fight u brhmn invader will run away to the country of ur origin.
hate is ur duty lie is ur staple food cheating is ur expertize.
the Muslims who are having such a glorious, such a powerful religion — ruled India for 1000 years — have simply surrendered to the Hindu terrorists who are destroying our country itself.
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Prabhakar Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 3:07 am
Ram autar (probably you are some Rahim),
If Muslim is such a powerful relion why do you curn so many terrorists..?
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S. Prakash Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 5:28 am
@ram aura is a fake name by a Muslim like VP Nailk. Just ignore this fella! A brainwashed true Muslim.
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Pankaj#1 Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 12:52 am
No, you do not realize.
This guy is lowly placed soldier of propaganda brigade of Islam International. He should not be ignored but watched for the current thinking of that propaganda Army.
Anurag Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 5:48 am
Nothing that you are saying makes sense. In other words, it is all nonsense.
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RAJ Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 6:32 am
30. If music, singing and dancing are un-Islamic (because Islam is a
serious religion), why no Fatwa is issued against the many Khans in the
cinefield. What will they give up – Islam or Acting?
29. If painting is un-Islamic, why there is no Fatwa issued against MF
Hussain? If he still persists with painting, is he not doing an
un-Islamic act?
28. J&K with about 1 crore population has been provided with aid worth Rs.24,000 crores, i.e. Rs.24,000/- per head, whereas in other states the per head aid is less than 5% of this amount. Is this not a reward for anti-nationalism?
27. IMTD act in Assam gives legal rights to Bangladeshi Muslims to
settle and become Indian citizen, whereas Indians cannot settle in
Jammu & Kashmir. Why this double standard?
28. J&K with about 1 crore population has been provided with aid
worth Rs.24,000 crores, i.e. Rs.24,000/- per head, whereas in other
states the per head aid is less than 5% of this amount. Is this not a
reward for anti-nationalism?
26. Arabic language is promoted in India at Govt. expenses. but not Sanskrit? Is Arabic more national than Sanskrit?
25. In Kerala, MLAs, MPs & Ministers take oath in the name of Allah
and Infant Jesus, which is against the Constitution. Can a Hindu take
oath in the name of Ram or Krishna?
24. In 2003-2004 – A Muslim President, a Hindu Prime Minister and a Christian Defence Minister, running the affairs of the country, with a unity of purpose. Can this happen any where
except in a Hindu Nation – Bharat?
23. When Haj pilgrims are given subsidy, why Hindu pilgrims to Amarnath, Sabarimalai & Kailash Mansarover are taxed?
22. Dr. Praveenbhai Thogadiya has been arrested many times on flimsy grounds. Has the Shahi Imam of Jama Masjid, Delhi, Ahmed Bukhari been arrested for claiming to be an ISI agent and advocating partition of Bharat?
21. Abdul Rehman Antuley was made a trustee of the famous Siddhi Vinayak Temple in Prabhadevi, Mumbai. Can a Hindu – say Mulayam or Laloo – ever become a trustee of a Masjid or Madrassa?
20. Why post-Godhra is blown out of proportion, when no-one talks of the ethnic cleansing of 4 lakh Hindus from Kashmir?
19. In contrast, in India, Muslim population has gone up from 10.4% in 1951 to about 14% today; whereas Hindu population has come down from 87.2% in 1951 to 81.5% in 2001. Does any politician have the guts to ask Muslims to go for family planning?
18. In 1947, when India was partitioned, the Hindu population in
Pakistan was about 24%. Today it is not even 1%. In 1947, the Hindu
population in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) was 30%. Today it is about
7%. What happened to the missing Hindus? Do Hindus have human rights?
17. Do you consider that – Sanskrit is communal and Urdu is secular, Mandir is communal and Masjid is secular, Sadhu is communal and Imam is secular, BJP is communal and Muslim
League is secular, Dr. Praveen Thogadiya is anti-national and Bhukari is national, Vande Matharam is communal and Allah- O-Akbar is secular, Shriman is communal and Mian is secular, Hinduism is communal and Islam is secular, Hindutva is communal and Jihadism is secular, and at last, Bharat is communal and Italy is secular?
16. When Christian and Muslim schools can teach Bible and Quran, why Hindus cannot teach Gita or Ramayan?
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RK Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 8:35 am
Very well written.
ram autar Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 10:17 am
the above are old jokes propagated by parivar to collect high caste.not worth awnsering.
RAJ Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
15. Do you admit that Hindus do have problems that need to be recognized. Or do you think that those who call themselves Hindus are themselves the problem?
14. If Muslims & Christians are minorities in Maharashtra, UP, Bihar, etc., are Hindus not minorities in J&K, Mizoram, Nagaland, Arunachal Pradesh, Meghalaya, etc?. Why are Hindus denied minority rights in these States?
13. Why Gandhiji objected to the decision of the cabinet and insisted that Somnath Temple should be reconstructed out of public funds, not government funds, when in January 1948 he
pressurised Nehru and Patel to carry on renovation of the mosques of Delhi at government expenses?
12. Why Gandhiji supported Khilafat movement (nothing to do with our freedom movement) and what in turn he got?
11. In what way, J&K is different from Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu or Uttar Pradesh, to have Article 370?
10. When uniform is made compulsory for school children, why there is no Uniform Civil Code for citizens?
9. Why temple funds are spent for the welfare of Muslims and Christians, when they are free to spend their money in any way they like?
8. When Hindus gave to Muslims 30% of Bharat for a song, why should Hindus now beg for their sacred places at Ayodhya, Mathura and Kashi?
7. Today Hindus are 82%. If Hindus are intolerant, how come Masjids and Madrassas are thriving? How come Muslims are offering Namaz on the road? How come Muslims are proclaiming 5 times a day on loudspeakers that there is no God except Allah?
6. Hindu-majority Maharashtra, Bihar, Kerala, Pondicherry, etc. have in the past elected Muslims as CMs; Can you ever imagine a Hindu becoming the CM of Muslim-majority J&K or Christian dominated Nagaland/Mizoram?
5. Show one Mullah or Maulvi who has declared a ‘fatwa’ against terrorists.
4. Show one country where the 82% majority craves for the indulgence of the 18% minority.
3. Show one Muslim country which has a Non-Muslim as its President or Prime Minister.
2. Show one Muslim country where Hindus are extended the special rights that Muslims are accorded in India?
1. There are nearly 57 Muslim countries. Show one Muslim country which provides Haj subsidy.
Watch this space – One ‘Bitter Truth’ will be added daily for the benefit of pseudosecular Hindus , to ponder about.
Piyush Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
Well it is a secular article , a hindu fighting for a muslim cause, which is not that uncommon though the intention is psuedo secular. I wonder why there hasnt been a report on delay in criminal proceedings on the attackers of parliament house, delhi 2008 blasts , or even quick hanging of Mumbai blast convict … The way i see it Hindu terror if you can call it that is not a present danger to the country cause if you look at it characteristically (just like killing of gandhi, 1947 riots) is reactionary. I fully condemn the killings but I believe Hindu terror is getting the sort of coverage because there is no resistance from the mass community at large and hence no political party here needs to appease anyone, which somehow works even to the ruling party’s benefit in prolonging convucted muslim terrorists hanging or trials (in case of 37 IM people). The report only indicates one thing that Hindus condemn the terror acts irrespective of the colour painted to it while a lot of muslims dont. Muslims in India are a classic case of Self Victimization and appeasing them earns congress brownie point and some electoral seats!!!
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
I agree with you.
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manujsk says:
February 4, 2011 at 10:48 pm
@ Vinod Sharma.. Boy, you don’t need to reproduce such articles of faith here. They are available, free at Communalism Combat website. For those interested on how vile the Hindu religion is, have your load full at this website. Unless Sharmaji has decided to sponsor such stuf on this website too. You remind me of the ad- 90 saal ke buddhe, ya 90 saal ke jawan at the vigor you display when berating the Hindus.
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 5, 2011 at 12:24 am
These saffron terrorists CHORUS by Jholawallahs (Anhad and pro-congress journos) and pro-LeT Congress has gained momemtum after Rahul Gandhi was embarrassed due to WIKILEAKS cable that had transcripts of Rahul gandhi sharing his saffron terrorism theory with US Ambassador.
All this exercise of painting HINDUS as terrorist is to put Rahul at ease. It’a all about making Baba feel at home.
According to Shabnam Hashmi (so-called secular but as per OSAMA’s rule book) claims that Godhra train burning was done by Hindus themselves. It reminds me of muslims in west who keep on screaming 9/11 was done by US and Jews. This Shabnam Hashmi is true Al-Qaeda product.
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 5, 2011 at 12:35 am
This article is about opinions of these people-
Yoginder Sikand – A known muslim sypathiser. can you expect him to be neutral?
Seema Mustafa – Another pro-muslim soul..can never see any wrong even in Osama.
Shabnam Hashmi – Her mantra is very simple..Muslim good-Hindu bad..conspiracy theorist.
Sitaram Yechury – Communist Criminal
Ram Vilas Paswan – Same guy who went around with Osama lookalike to fetch votes.
Digvijay Singh – A known Indian Mujahideen Supporter. Working overtime to give LeT cleanchit for 26/11. Supporter of Islamic terror against India.
Prashant Bhushan – A known Jholawallah..if he goes against RSS etc. he is hailed but when he barks on Sonia’s congress, Vinod sharma variety ignore him.
Ashish Khetan – A dubious pro-congress journos..It is shame to call this SOB journo.
Farah Naqvi – Another pro-islam howler.
All these people have been sponsored by DUMBO Rahul Gandhi who openly supports IM terrorists.
lastly can anyone explain why no local muslims were investigated after 26/11? Such a massive operation by rahul gandhi’s LeT was not possible without the support from local muslims.
Next non-congress govt. should leave no stone unturned to expose islamic terror sponsors from congress and its allies. It is time to get this mother-son kicked out of India..Enough is Enough.
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JayamSatyamRamaKrishnaLingams Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 3:19 am
Jai Bharat Mata Ki
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nandu Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 6:28 am
are you neutral and balanced in your opinion no still your opinion get published and we have to read the stuff as a punishment . So show some tolerance and don’t rant of others being biased or sympathetic to some sections . Stop behaving like some spoilt rich kid who believes that the world that they see is ideal world and there is no other side to it
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ram autar Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 7:00 am
only saffron brigade is angel.while they group of gangesters murderers homosexual,wife swappers,infant burners cruel rapists,hawala dealers,scam operators and financial thieves.
these thieves are converted into angles by hin du ashrams like sre sree in banglore.he is running a global racket.another is satya sai baba ,the king of frauds.these are the new swiss banks where stolen national wealth is hidden.
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Ankit Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 8:03 am
Yeah right. We are supposed to believe a report that is written by a guy who went around with an Osama bin Laden look alike to fetch votes!
Mr. Sharma, I humbly request you to please stop selling **** sandwiches. It stinks and does not do you any good.
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Gourav Gupta says:
February 5, 2011 at 12:54 am
It might be true. But how often in our lifetime, have we seen anyone giving a confession in remorse and landing up in Jail. Even the Bollywood doesn’t show such stuff in movies any more. Can Mr.Sharma bring light to any other incidence in the hindu history.
The knitty gritty of Digvijay Singh a known SIMI and IM supporter and the officers probing the Hindus in terror cases is also quite strange. Why would a officer incharge of terror suspects be talking to a congress leader in some other state . Mr.Digvijay had taken political sanayas after loss in MP elections. How did he know Mr.Karkare. How come the evidence was surfacing from Congress ruled Maharashtra when Mr.Karkare was alive and then it began surfacing from Congress ruled Rajasthan.
Also strannge is two sets of people who confessed for the same Mecca Masjid Blast and the American intelligence providing inputs to India that Samjhota Express blast was done by LeT.
Amid all these strange facts, we should have patience and trust CBI which just a few months ago decided that it should not persecute the criminal involved in Bofors scandal as the country has already spent so much money on it. We should also trust the government that makes criminals coconspiring with the accused in defreezing the money as Governors in Congress Raj.
In the end I would like to ask you why your beloved secular party did not agree to elect Dr.Kalam as the president of India?? What made Pratibha Patil a more credible candidate than Dr.Kalam??? Secular party is not so secular afterall or does it simply needs cohorts to hide its corruption and journalists like you to keep it in power. For people like me, the difference between BJP and Congress is the difference between the two party’s choice for Presidents Dr. Abdul Kalam and Smt.Pratibha Patil
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Jai W says:
February 5, 2011 at 1:48 am
Another dictated article after Vir Sanghvi. Are HT editors still taking dictations?
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Prabhakar says:
February 5, 2011 at 2:33 am
Quoting ppl with suspecious credentials only makes your article lose it’s credentials. Hindus as terrorists is a joke and Congress will pay heavly for this in the next election.
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ram autar says:
February 5, 2011 at 2:33 am
Abhinav Bharat wants to clamp Brahminic dictatorship by imposing Manu’s constitution
theory that the “Jews of India” and the Jews in the West are cousins and are in close collaboration to fight “Islamic terrorism” is now beyond any doubt.
Both the Maharashtra Govt. and the Govt. of India are in possession of all the facts on the visit of Abhinav Bharat chief, Lt. Col. Purohit, to Zionist Israel to procure arms, funds and every other support to establish their Brahminical Manuwadi dictatorship in India. This is what Rahul Gandhi meant when he referred to the threat of “Hindu terrorism”.
Almost the entire top leadership of the Abhinav Bharat (AB), the super Brahminic terrorist outfit, has been arrested. The confession before the court made by the Bengali Brahmin, Swami Aseemananda, revealed that AB was behind the bombing of the Samjhauta Express in 2007.
It is now clear, thanks to the Bombay police officer Karkare killed by the Hindu terrorists, that AB has emerged as India’s biggest and the most dangerous terrorist outfit pledged to establish Hindu Rashtra in India.
Destroy Constitution: The AB has said that it wants to destroy the country’s constitution and impose Brahminical constitution called Manudharma Shastra. Israel has offered all the support. All the proofs are there with the govt.
The upright Brahmin police officer, Karkare, was killed by the AB with the connivance of the Bombay police and the Intelligence Bureau. This was revealed in the book, Who Killed Karkare? by the equally upright police officer, Mushrif. This book has not been challenged by the IB so far
Corrupt judiciary: As the country’s judiciary is also corrupt and casteist it is also not ready to expose the AB.
What is alarming is the press reports that the Army is fully infiltrated with Chitpavans. That is why no action is being taken against the AB.
Abhinav Bharat pledge to impose Hindu Rashtra by using violence, killing all those opposed to their heinous Brahminic dream, has proved the claim that Hinduism stands for non-violence is utterly false. Every Hindu god is fully armed. Every major violent flare-up in India killing thousands and thousands of innocent beings was done only by the Brahminic Hindus. Who says Hinduism stands for non-violence?
India is facing total grid-lock.
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Saarthak [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 6th, 2011 at 6:14 am
Dude, take ur snort and go to sleep
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Ashish says:
February 5, 2011 at 2:40 am
Sad ! This is precisely why India has been enslaved (still not free) of the Muslims and Colonial Masters. It’s our own weak Hindus. If, even half the pain was taken to highlight the evils of Islamic Fundamentalist in India for centuries and the world over – India would be a dynamic, progressive and developed nation. Instead, the termite within has eaten India – you should be ashamed of calling yourselves Hindus. Shame to Congress Party, Shame to Psuedo-Secularists, Shame to Unfaithful, Treacherous and Betraying Muslims and Shame to Spineless and Cowardly Hindus defaming our own instead of defending and exposing the true liability for India. All violence is bad, Hindu violence is too. However, where is the comparison to organized and systematic Islamic terrorism and a rare but admittedly wrong Hindu. With this state of affairs – you might as well give Pakistan and ISI the control of Indian affairs. They will not be able to match our own Traitors !
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Bhaskar Chatterjee says:
February 5, 2011 at 2:54 am
One of the attendee was Paswan who used Bin Laden look alike twice during Bihar election in Muslim Areas for vote. That shows the level these people can degrade to for vote.
India is worst victim of Islamic terror. More than 100,000 Indians got killed in last 25 years alone, and we are spending 100s of Billions of Dollars equivalent to protect India, Kashmir from these terrorists.
Still, these people have galls to talk about Hindu terror and not Islamic terror while fact remains, not one punished so far for socalled “Hindu terrorism”.
These fundos have just one Goal- to whip up Muslim passion and get their vote for Congress. They little realize this Hindu bashing is not liked by majority Indians and its going to do even more harm to precarious social tolerance at the ground level.
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Rahul says:
February 5, 2011 at 2:59 am
One more article sympathising with the minorities? Such news sell! Sympathising with Hindu majority doesn’t sell. Dog bites man, no news. Man bites dog, its a big news.
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Sunil says:
February 5, 2011 at 4:01 am
So many anti-Hindu people around with Hindu names !!! The wonders of the Internet.
@ram autar, man you know nothing and you are part of the Congress plan to destroy the faith, Rahul Gandhi is already taking to his Christian mates in the US and elsewhere. You will never destroy us I can assure you. What you have said is full of ignorance. You would never have read the Bhagvat Gita let alone a Veda in your life! Yet you try to come across as someone who knows everything about the faith.
I find this arrest and the accusations very timely and so soon after the wikileaks release of the conversations R. Gandhi had had saying Hindu “terrorism” is a danger to India. This only leads me to believe that the Congress and the Muslims have join hands to be at war with us.
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ram autar Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 6:03 am
sunil i think u have not read otherwise will not write like.in geeta lord krishna orders arjun to kill all his cousins and uncles.casts system is sanctioned in geeta.a war story.women do not have any caste,hence their killing donot carry any punishment.story was fabricated by brhmns to bring back milk men of western up to hindu fold.they converted to budhhdism.
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RK Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 8:24 am
Lord Krishna never told Arjun to kill his cousins.He told him to fight for the right cause and not sway from doing right thing no matter whom he has to confront. Relationships should not stand in way of doing what is right. Do not stoop so low as twisting facts. Thats why so many Hindus like this writer, Digvijay, sitaram, Paswans taking on RSS and company while no muslim will ever criticize Mulsim terrorism.. never. This is the difference.
Also RSS or others are not drawing their inspiration from scriptures that they will get 72 virgins in heavens if they die .. they are reacting as human not hindus.
If I quote what Prophet did in his life and what he wanted “believers” to do in life you will loose your face. You can’t even say it is misinterpretation. But I spare so much indecencey to this paper.
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P Sharma says:
February 5, 2011 at 5:21 am
I just fail to understand t, is the print media really that ignorant that they talk of Hindu terrorism in the same breath as SIMI and LeT or do they do this with an ulterior motive of keeping those in power happy? I think by calling RSS a terror outfit we are giving them far more credit than they deserve. If anything we can call them a band of overzealous boy-men who dream of a unified Hindu nation which deep within their own hearts they know will never happen. It is like labelling a boy who picks a candy from a candy store a thief for the rest of his life.
There enthusiasm can be misguided but terrorism………………that is serious business. I think if I were a terrorist I would be offended that my effort and planning is comapred to misplaced zeal of bunch of harmless guys who meet every morning in khaki shorts with a lathi in their hands and sing patriotic songs; who organize camps for natural disasters in the hope that they will be recogized one day for the maatrbhakt sons that they believe they are. Terrorists my foot, they could not even get together enough bombs for an impressive Diwali display.
And as far as Hindu terrorism and assasination of Gandhi is considered; I think being reporters and all you should know your facts well. His assisination had nothing to do with an organization.
So can we forget RSS and talk about the real issue of how to tackle the problem of disgruntled, misled, educated muslim youth who believe they have to kill innocent country men to be heard about WHAT????
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Babu Gupta says:
February 5, 2011 at 5:38 am
The article is total junk with the fact that it gives the opinions and quotations from people like Ram Vilas Paswan, who want Bihar CM only from Muslim community). Seema Mustafa (a known anti Hindu)., Sita Ram Yechuri (a comminist leader supposedly aethiest and secular only as long as Hinduism is concerned, but ardent supporter of all Muslim ethos in name of secularism), etc. The fact of Jihadi terrorism is not being objectively analysed. It is Jehas when Jews are concerned in Israel, it is Jehad against Christians when Phillipine is concerned, it is jehad against people in Chechnia against some other religions, it is jehad with muslims all over world witth other religions. The seed for this jehad is the intolerance by muslims towards non-muslims as enshrined in their booh – whosover is non muslim, is a kafir – either convert him or kill them. So as long as muslims are in minority, they pretend to be secular. If they have their way, then mirorities perish. It is all over world. This writer shoud learn what % of Hindus are left in Pakistan and Bangadesh afrom what they were in 1947. What % of Hindus have been left in Kashmir Valley now in INDIA itself. What are the rights of non muslims in Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia. The root cause is intolerant Muslim Philosophy which does not allow co existense. For Hindus the worle universe is a family (Vasudhav Kutumkam). Minor exceptions are every where, the predominently there is basic difference which is responsible for so much violence in the world today. It is not only India where corrupt politians, fake seculars are there in plenty to twist the facts.
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arvind says:
February 5, 2011 at 5:52 am
A business visit to India and I get an opportunity to read this front page article from Mr. Sharma. Immediately a few things come to my mind:
- Only in Hinduism would it be possible for a bunch of hindus to claim there own faith to be terrorists and consider it to be social work
- None of these so called secular hindus would ever take a minute to understand the conciquences of thsi totally immature act
While living in Hindu minority countries we often times have to spend quiete a lot of time to fix wrong notions about the faith and coming to our own country the same trend continues. Sad part is that coming from our own people who only have political mileage on there mind. What a shame !!!
I would challenge these so called social workers to first go and find out the meaning of hindu dharama, read about Islam and then come back and do these kinf of meetings. I would call it Blatantly ignorant and irrersonsible social work !!
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ramesh says:
February 5, 2011 at 6:00 am
VINOD SHARMA IS DOING A GREAT SERVICE TO DIG VIJAY SINGH AND RAUL KHAN AND CONGRESS. BY QUOTING THESE PEOPLE WHAT HE IS TRYING TO PROVE? REMEMBER THE STATEMENT OF PRESENT POPE IN ONE OF THE GERMAN UNIVERSITY WHICH DREW LOT OF CRITICISM FROM ISLAMIC WORLD.I HAVENOT SEEN A SINGLE ARTICLE FROM THIS VINOD SHARMA WHICH IS REALLY UNBIASED.WILL HE EVER WRITE ON ATROCITIES DONE ON KASHMIRI HINDUS BY MUSLIM THERE?
VINOD MUST HAVE BEEN AMUSED BY SLOGANS IN SRINAGAR “INDIAN DOGS GO BACK.”SEEN ON TV DURING TIRANGA YATRA.
IT IS UNFORTUNATE WE HAVE VERY FEW PEOPLE ,WHO HAS CHARACTER AND GUTS FOR HONEST WRITING.
SURELY VINOD SHARMA IS NOT ONE.
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ram autar Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 6:07 am
WILL HE EVER WRITE ON ATROCITIES DONE ON KASHMIRI HINDUS BY MUSLIM THERE?
hindus were removed to jammu by jagmohan to save them from round the clock curfew.muslims consider them ,their brother.muslims never commited any atrocity on them.
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ramesh Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
I WAS EXPECTING A RESPONSE FROM POLITICAL EDITOR OF HINDUSTAN TIMES.WHILE DISAGREEING WITH SHRI RAM AUTAR, I STILL EXPECT ARESPONSE FROM MR.VINOD SHARMA.
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Rajiv says:
February 5, 2011 at 6:00 am
I have not yet read the article. But having red Yoginder Sikand before in outlook, I can say that this guy is often a lieful propogandist given to distorting facts and even inventing them.
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SAJISH says:
February 5, 2011 at 6:11 am
VINOD SHARMA IS A CONGRESS CHAMCHA, HE ALWAYS SUPPORT SONIA AND RAHUL, BUT SONIA AND RAHUL WANT CONVERT ALL INDIAN HINDUS TO CHRISTIANITY, ALL THESE WELL PLANNED, LIKE VINOD SHARMA AND VIR SANGHVI ETC…SOLD OUT FOR SOME MONEY AND TRY TO FINISH HINDUS, IF HE WANT SEE MUSLIM TERRORISM HE NEED TO COME IN KERALA, THEIR HINDUS HAVE NO VALUE, OUR REDICOLUS PSEUDO SECULAR MEDIA ONLY WANT HELP MUSLIM AND CHRISTIAN AND TRY TO FINISH HINDUS IN INDIA, WHY THESE SHARMA NOT MORE ANY WRITING ABOUT CONGRESS -TATA-PAID MEDIA LINK – LIKE BURKHA DUTT,VIR SANGHVI,PRABHU CHVLA, ETC…I THINK SHARMAJI ALSO ANOTHER NAME BUT NOT COMING OUT, THAT IS ONLY DIFFERENCE.
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Rajiv says:
February 5, 2011 at 6:12 am
Obviously the purpose of these thugs is to give a communal picture to terrorism.
Lets list all acts of terrorism from Kashmir to KanyaKumari, perpetrated in cold blood by verious terrorists and then list their religion. Obviusly that seems the sole purpose of Mr Sharma’s post here.
Lets get the facts out ans see if there are 100 terrorist acts by terrorists who happen to be Muslims against 1 terrorist act by individuals who happen to be Hindus.
Lets also see,how proportion of terrorist acts commited by Muslims ( they make 12-14% of Indian population ) compares to terrorist acts commited by extrimist Hindu groups. If both communities produced terrorists at the same rate , there should be 8 hindu terrorist for every Muslim terrorist in India.
However, facts would show just the opposite.
Sure, overwhelming majority of people in any community are not terrorists. But if the criminal communalists like Yoginder Sikand and groups like Centre for study of social exclusion, want to talks about facts, lets get all the facts out , instead of criminal and false propoganda.
The world over, 90% or more cold blooded, pre-meditated terror acts are committed by people who happen to be Muslims. Muslims majority countries , from Saudi Arabia to Pakistan also happen to be most intolerant, bigoted, constitutionally anti-minority, criminal entities
What part o it does Yoginder Sikand, Vinod Sharma or Centre for study of social exclusion not understand ??
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ram autar Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 6:53 am
he world over, 90% or more cold blooded, pre-meditated terror acts are committed by people who
this is an absolute lie.give proof.war on terror was war on muslims started by zoinists to rob their resources supported by hindu zoinists also called brhmnst.war swallowed its perpetuators.in india except in kashmir all other places bombs were placed by hidu zoinists to support their satanic cousins in west.areas occupied by imperialists,resistence will be called freedom fight.where there is no america there is peace.since top rss mafia is arrested there is no blast.
brhmnsm cannot survive without war and violence and curse for humanity.
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RK Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 8:33 am
You can cry as mush as you can. From North America to Europe. from Africa to South Asia.. to Middle east the Muslims have been caught and conviceted of terrorism by different security systems and different Judicial sytems. Others are only defending themselves.
IN Middle east the target is Israel
IN South Asia the target is India
IN China the target is Xinziang province of China
IN Russia it is Chechynia
In Europe the targets Spain (Madrid bombind), London bombings
IN North America target is both USA and Canada (Remeber Toronto 18)
Violence and Intolerance is a part of mindset fo Sunni muslims. Hindus, Jews , Chritians are only reacting in self-defence .. too late ….. too little….. still complaining ? Wow Funny…
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ram autar says:
February 5, 2011 at 7:11 am
TRUE FACE OF FASCISM
In his incisive study of the Hindutva phenomenon, titled Saffron Fascism, Shyam Chand, a Dalit scholar and activist who served for many years as member of the Haryana Legislative Assembly, quotes from a secret circular sent out by the RSS to its preachers. It clearly indicates the sinister Brahminical strategy of using the Dalit-Bahujans to attack the Muslims and Christians, while at the same time aiming to keep the Dalit-Bahujans under the permanent slavery of the ‘upper’ castes.
Excerpts from Secret Circular No.411 issued by the RSS:
[.] Scheduled Castes and Other Backward Classes are to be recruited to the party so as to increase the volunteers to fight against the Ambedkarites and Mussalmans.
Hindutva should be preached with a vengeance among physicians and pharmacists so that, with their help, time expired [sic.] and spurious medicines might be distributed amongst the Scheduled Castes, Mussalmans and Scheduled Tribes. The newborn infants of Shudras, Ati-Shudras, Mussalmans, Christians and the like should be crippled by administering injections to them. To this end, there should be a show of blood-donation camps.
Encouragement and instigation should be carried on [sic.] more vigorously so that the womenfolk of Scheduled Castes, Mussalmans and Christians live by prostitution.
Plans should be made more foolproof so that the people of the Scheduled Castes, Backward Classes, Musslamans and Christians, especially the Ambedkarites, become crippled by taking in [sic.] harmful eatables.
Special attention should be given to the students of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes so as to make them read the history written according to our dictates.
During riots the women of Mussalmans and Scheduled Castes should be gang-raped. Friends and acquaintances cannot be spared. The work should proceed on the Surat model.
Publication of writings against Mussalmans, Christians, Buddhists and Ambedkarites should be accelerated. Essays and writings should be published in such a way as to prove that Ashoka was opposed to the Aryans.
All literature opposed to Hindus and Brahmins are [sic.] to be destroyed. Dalits, Mussalmans, Christians and Ambedkarites should be searched out. Care should be taken to see that this literature do [sic.] not reach public places. Hindu literature is to apply [sic.] to the Backward Classes and Ambedkarites.
The demand by the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes for filling in the backlog vacancies in services shall by no means be met. Watch should be kept to see that their demands for entry and promotion in government, non-government or semi-government institutions are to be rejected and their service records are destroyed with damaging reports.
Measures should be taken to make the prejudices amongst Scheduled Castes and Backward people more deep-rooted. To this end, help must be taken from saints and ascetics.
Attacks should be started with vigour against equality, preaching communists [sic.], Ambedkarites, Islamic teachers, Christian missionaries and neighbours [?].
Assaults should be made on Ambedkar’s statues with greater efforts.
Dalit and Muslim writers are to be recruited to the party and by them essays and literature opposed to the Dalits, Ambedkarites and Mussalmans written and preached [sic.]. Attention is to be paid to see that these writings are properly edited and preached [sic.].
Those opposed to Hindutva are to be murdered through false encounters. For this work the help of the police and semi-military [sic.] forces should always be taken.”[2]
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In the face of this circular, no more evidence is needed to show what Hindutva actually bodes for the Dalit-Bahujans. It circular very clearly indicates that Hindutva aims essentially at preserving the oppression of the Dalit-Bahujans, in addition to the Muslims and Christians, on which the entire edifice of Brahminism stands.
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Ash says:
February 5, 2011 at 7:19 am
DIVERSION TACTICS OF KHANGRACE.
They wants public not to think about corruption which is the core of CONgress. Most of those listed above are beneficiary of CONgress corruption one way or other.
Vinod is just a chamcha of 10 janpath, devoid of intellect and patriotism.
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M.V.Muthu says:
February 5, 2011 at 7:21 am
Vinod Sharma’s personality is reflected when this author appears on TV Channels as a member on the the Panel of Experts (sic). Even when some serious issues are being debated, he, with his unkempt hair and chubby cheeks, always wears a smirking smile, which is sickening. It also does not warrant any Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence to know that he is completely sold out and that “non-prejudicial” does not exist in his vocabulary. All in all, he is terrible and nauseating and this piece is no exception in showing an acute shortage of gray matter!
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RK says:
February 5, 2011 at 8:38 am
Vinod ji,
You are my favorite clown in this circus of self proclaimed Imams. Do some service to mankind by writing about the most deadly virus inflicting pain on mankind.. Islamic terrorism which flows right from the so called holy book.
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Jyoti (Only Questions) says:
February 5, 2011 at 8:55 am
What India do we want? A Hindu image of Pakistan or something else? Do we have a consensus, can we have one, or shall we keep fighting our own endless domestic battles that enabled foreigners to come again and again over a thousand years to seize power and keep the p[eople of the region under their thumb? The post independence generation lost its way, will the next generation find it?
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Krishna says:
February 5, 2011 at 8:56 am
All the stalwarts, crusaders, evengelists, thinkers, scribes, proffesors, secularists listed in praise in this article are the memebrs of a secret society waging war against so called HINDU MAJORITARIAN society.
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Din says:
February 5, 2011 at 8:58 am
The scoundrels are at it again. from Nehru down to Diggi they are out to prove that Hindus are responsible for atrocities against Hindus in their own land.Thousands temples and educational instiuitions (great universities) were destroyed by who? for one thousand years vandalism danced across India against whom and against which religion?In this sub-continent called India which is the rightful land of peaceful Hindus at least in one-third part no Hindu is seen anywhere.The secular scoundrels are now talking of Hindu terror. Yes Hindus are going to claim as the entire land called Hindustan as their own land come what may.
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Raghavendra says:
February 5, 2011 at 11:06 am
Mr Sharma
i was amazed to read your statement attributed to Ms Shabnam Hashmi that godhra train burning was carried out by HINDUTVA forces.has even the investigation by MULLAH LALU YADAV as railway minister revealed that?
has Ms shabnam named any organisation who has done that? on what proof does she level; that allegation? sheshould atleast tell the SUPREME COURT about HINDUTVA people burning SABARMATI EXPRESS.
Mr Sharma do you feel that all MUSLIM boys arrested for terror acts are innocent? on what basis do you say that? the number of terror strikes have come down in last 1 year or so. anybody can feel that police arresting those youths can be one of the biggest reasons for it.
Mr Sharma cana person as barbaric as swami aseemanand can his heart melt when he sees a muslim boy being tortured in jail? are these things believable? please be realistic when you express your views? can a person who does not hesitate to kill muslims offering NAMAZ during RAMZAN will he be moved by the plight of a muslim youth? can anbody trust this version?
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Raghavendra Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 11:09 am
Mr Sharma
Ms Shabnam accuses HINDUTVA forces of burning train in GODHRA. whole world including media and DESH BHAKT CONGRESS party knows that it was don by certain MUSLIMS of GODHRA. does ms Shabnam Hashmi feel that those MUSLIMS are members of RSS , VHP or BAJRANG DAL?
there is a limit for telling lies Pandit Vindo sharma.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Raghavendra,
Just wait for a few days. Swami(?) Aseemanand’s heart will melt so much, he will confess to the assassination of Hemant Karkare and the 26/11 terror too.
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nirav Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Shenoy sirji,
Good one and soon even the Blackmoney accounts will be held in aseemanands name.
Not to forget he will confess for high food and onions prices.
Also he will confess for the 2G spectrum scam.
Not to forget that he will confess for having appointed the CVC.
I also heard he confessed to have stolen Mr Sharms brains few years ago …
No wonder he keeps writing such biased and corrupt articles.
I wonder if Aseemanand dies congress will keep his body and keep making him confess in future all the new scams…
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Raghavendra Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
Mr Shenoy
you are a very humorous and truthful person. i always like your comments. you are quite when you say that Aseemanand may also confess to killing Hemant Karkare.
our investigators are great INVENTORS i feel they deserve NOBEL PRIZE for CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION. i dont know how many NEW TRUTHS they will uncover?
MADAM from ITALY has instructed that RSS should be dragged in to everything possible.RSS must be made a VILLIAN at all costs.
these CONGRESSIS can do anything Mr Shenoy. they are a shameless lot.
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vijay kumar says:
February 5, 2011 at 12:05 pm
It seems Vinodh Sharma has taken retirement and now letting a few known jokers like Teesta and co speak for him!!
Vanprastha ashram ke liye congratulations!! :) :)
See you in hell or heven after forty years Sharmaji! :D :D
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
BAN CHALE RAMA RAGHU RAI
AUR SANT JANAKI MAI
PEECHE SE VINOD BHAI
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
Mein akela, tum itney saare
koyi paththar tau koyi laathi marey
hai pratayaksh ki sachche shabd
padtey dangaiyon par kitne bhare
lekar tum sab ram ka naam
kartne bahas ka kaam tamam
maaro, kato loot machalo
jaisey bhi ho dhons chalalo
ram ka mukhota raavan ki jubaan
yahi tumhari sahi pehchaan
na maryada na ram charitra
sanghi mindset sanghi script
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Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
Congrats Vinodji !
Remeber vibhishan ??? :)
Maybe you should play his role to end the COngress Lanka of loot by 2G !! :) :D :D
vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
I don’t let sanghi’s write scripts for me. In any case, the post (comment) wasn’t directly addressed to anybody. No need for anybody to get hyper….
Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
Sir,
Me not getting hyper at all ! Just welcoming u back from retirement ! :D
Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
Vinod only allows scripts from 10 Janpath..the congressi terrorists.
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Praveen Saxena says:
February 5, 2011 at 12:21 pm
If one carefully keeps following Mr Sharma’s posts or his statements on TV , one can have a fair inkling of the Congress Party’s political gameplan. A political party which has become almost a fugitive , struggling to save its face each day after the explosion of all its scams, the sheer dimension of which is unprecedented , the last tactic is to shift the focus to another subject.
It is the same old farce. When the discussion is on the CWG loot , yell “Amit Shah Amit Shah”.
At present the opportunity lies in diverting the attention to the old Communal / Secular debate .The most important political events now are the West Bengal and Kerala elections. The Left is the main political rival in both states and is as much after the Minority vote-banks as the Congress Party.
So raise the heat on Hindu Terror and compel the Left to move away from the main Opposition the BJP. Divide the Opposition and Rule.
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
Mere apne hi ghar me mera swagat? Phir bhi dhanyawaad….mehmanawazi ka
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B.V.SHENOY says:
February 5, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Dear Shri Vinod Sharma,
This is a ****y piece of an article, you could very well have done without writing.
Even while trying to fire your anti-Hindutva gun from the shoulders of utterly disreputable characters like Harsh Mander and Ram Vilas Paswan, you have allowed yourself to crudely, vulgarly reflect their hatred for the Hindus in your writing. In fact, the attempt is NOT EVEN SUBTLE.
The article is unbearably long, excruciatingly boring and unmindfully filled with hatred for Hindus typical of the jhpolawala pseudos, masquerading as civil society.
Your tears for the jailed but innocent Muslim youth too, are fake as are those of the Manders, Mustafas and Bhushans.
All you have to show in response is one fake Hindu, Ram Autar, with his fake history and faker mythology.
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SKS_Mumbai says:
February 5, 2011 at 12:43 pm
Vinod Sharma Jee:
In a national daily of Hindustan Times repute you write an article quoting people who claim Godhra Train was burnt by Sanghis, Karkare was killed by Sanghis and then have the audacity to “fervently hope the participants will view it without prejudice rather than dismissing it as some pseudo-secular lament”. Without prejudice! We sure are beginning to understand what Prejudice means to you.
Yet, I do agree with a part of your fervent request: it shouldn’t be “dismissed as a Pseudo secular lament”, it should be treated as “rantings of a rank communalist. I know this is personal but that is where you start.
On the Hindutva or Hindu Terror, the sentence most article about Swami Assemanand’s confession start with is: “we should respond to every bomb by another bomb”. Apart from the obvious, that these people reacted to Islamic Terror, if his confessions prove anything, it is this,
1. they weren’t inspired by divine revelations of their God, they neither considered nor claimed their acts to be God’s command,;
2. at least one of them, the Swami, recognized later that; whatever be the motive and whatever the religion of the victim, killing human beings, was a crime; and he would have to pay for that, not just under Indian law, but also in the court of almighty.
3. They never thought that killing Muslims will entitle them to heavenly pleasure (That’s the coolest one)
Yes, these facts do not reduce their crime in any manner but it is also clear that those acts cannot be labeled as Saffron or Hindutva or Hindu Terror.
No matter how many times ignorants (and true supporters) repeat that nonsense of “Terror has no religion” the Truth will not change. The truth that Islamic Terrorism is inspired by Quranic message, which requires the believers to wage a perpetual war against infidels till all submit to Islamic rule. The truth, that there is no thing such as Islamist Terror, only Islamic Terror.
But to expect better, from men who peddle Shabnam Hashmi’s of the world as defender of secularism, is an insult to common sense.
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d.a Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Excellent response !
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Saarthak [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 6th, 2011 at 6:32 am
Very well said. I am quite disappointed with Mr Vinod Sharma for pasting an article from a clearly biased panel of people. It was so full bile I couldn’t read after going through half way. Thanks to the Congress and its band of sycophant journos, this is what we hear from Pakistan:
India lacks courage to unearth role of Hindu extremists: Pak [Click to see nuggets from this page]
I see absolutely no hope for justice to 26/11 victims now.
Thanks but no thanks to Rahul Gandhi, Digvijay Singh and journalists like Vinodji.
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Vijay Kumar says:
February 5, 2011 at 2:24 pm
As far as I am concerned, this blog is dead. The promoter of the blog– one Mr VInod Sharma– now chooses to cut and paste articles from other sources to substitute for a personel effort.
NOw.. I have sensational news for fellow bloggers–
~~ :) :) :) There is going to be another lopsided
attempt by India to patch up with Pakistan soon :) :) :) ~~~
a) Manmohan Singh wants and INdo Pak peace agreement to be the crowning glory of the end of his reign..
b) Idiots and morons like Mani Aiyar ( Or similar cacafonix type characters), who are capable of selling national interests for a chance to eat free kababs at the Pakistani high commission or be on TV to denounce the BJP and US are pushing an agenda which is detrimental to India.
c) India will Give Pakistan more water, more trading rights, the names of fake and real perpetuators of blast on Samjhouta express. Pakistan of course will give none and in the end the idea probably is to indirectly blame the BJP, RSS and Hindus for all the troubles in the subcontinent. Or maybe equate India’s right wing parties with Pakistan’s jehadi terrorists and heroin smugglers.
Why and how am I predicting this??
Because I met a Pakistani friend who is in Delhi and he has been assured at the PMO level the idea is to get cement and other commodities to India, only from Pakistan to promote peace. I might add that prices of cement in India are abnormally high because of a cartel by our companies. However incase we import from China, Thailand, Sri Lanka etc we can get it cheap. But the policy of tempting Pakistan with freebies is making the govenrment make policies in favour of Pakistan…..
Of course contious waves of terror attacks also come in with trade… :( :(
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
Vijay Kumar,
while your “report” about Indo-Pak friendship being cemented may have a ring of truth about it, the reasons for it are quite different. A building collapsed in Bangalore two days ago and unconfirmed reports say that the contractor had used Pakistani cement in the construction work. An interesting news that too could not be confirmed is that in this collapse five people died and all were Hindus.
Having realised this excellent property of the cement, Sonia Gandhi is reported to have asked/commanded MMS to ignore all tenders from all other countries and place bulk orders for this special cement from our friend, Pakistan. Her argument, with which all seculars and even pseudo seculars agree is that with the export of this cement, Pakistan will no longer need to export terror to India and their purpose of killing Hindus in bulk will still be achieved! And the vote banks of the congress too will remain firmly with the party!!
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Vijay Kumar says:
February 5, 2011 at 3:36 pm
@ Shenoy,
This cement certainly comes at a high cost ! In case it is used to paper over the continous waves terror attacks…. :)
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Vijay Kumar says:
February 5, 2011 at 3:38 pm
And you can never buy love with money… or get a jehadi to change his hidden agenda — as the US examples of billions of dollars of aid to Pakistan shows… :D
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Raghavendra says:
February 5, 2011 at 4:09 pm
Mr Sharma
for these shabnam hasmis. asmita sharma , harsh mandar everything in india including POLITY , POLICE and even all COURTS as ANTI MUSLIM?
why do people like you live in this bad country? cant u take refuge in Zardari’s land?
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
Why do people like me live in this country? Ha…hah….haaa look at the temerity of this man. A Hosni Mubarak in the making.
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 8:02 pm
But what are you? Zardari…a clown..
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Rufusd [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 5, 2011 at 4:15 pm
Vinod Sharma comes accross as belonging to that vast majority of apparently sage hindus who do not wish to see the country partitioned again, this time along by the half hearted attempts of a minuscule minority of upper caste people who are hell bent on emulating the execrable deeds of Muslim extremists, without giving a second thought to the likely consequences of their misdeeds, including besmirching the fair name of Hinduism which could become a tool in the hands of India baiters around the globe.
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Vijay Kumar says:
February 5, 2011 at 5:40 pm
The low IQ of Ram Vilas Paswan can be “appreciated” and “admired” from incidents which happened in Bihar in the last Lok Sabha poll.
To woo Muslims in his constituency he dressed up some boys as Osama Bin Laden, even giving them fake beards… :D :D
He thought that by showing his love for Osama bin, he would prove his secular credentials !! :) :)
What a Dunce !! Ha ha ha !!
It did not matter to him that Osama and Al Queeda also target India and may create further attacks on Indian interests…
it did not matter to Paswan that he was spoiling the image of Islam and Muslims by making it synonomous with Laden ….
Such is the low intelligence of the so called fake secularists!! Become a Minister in the BJP government. And when government fell, conveninetly changing sides saying that he discovered that NDA was communal ! :)
What opportunistic, fake dunces !!! :) :) :)
shame shame !! Laanat hai !! Dhikkar hai… :D
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ram autar Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
But who cares? Only when the “future PM of India”, Rahul Gandhi, spoke of “Hindu terrorism”, the Brahminical ruling class (15%) started howling. But what is shocking is ever since all the top Hindu “terrorists” headed by the Chitpavan Brahmin, a serving senior army officer, Lt. Col. Srikant Purohit were arrested in 2008, nothing has happened to them. They are having a kushy life in the jail.
They killed Hemant Karkare, an upright Brahmin IPS officer, by staging the Bombay terrorist act of 26/11/2008. But several more Brahminist Army officers involved in the different attacks on mosques and Muslim properties have not been arrested. Karkare’s death silenced the whole thing.
The ruling Congress, the original Brahmin party of India, is proving more dangerous than the Brahmana Jati Party (BJP).
Even going by the newspaper reports it is now clear that some Brahminist officers in the army are secretly colluding with the Abhinav Bharat in training the terrorists in making bombs. Lt. Col. Purohit (37), a serving officer, was arrested for procuring RDX, which is available only with the army, for making bombs. He is considered the prime conspirator in the series of anti-Muslim terrorist plots actively supported by the zionist Israel . Lots and lots of secrets are yet to come out. That India’s Brahminical Govt. is officially in close collaboration with the zionist Israel is well known. In fact India’s foreign policy appears to be dictated by Israel. Zionists are today engaged in a war against “Islamic terrorism”. It is this collaboration between zionists and Hindu terrorists in anti-Muslim war that resulted in the birth of Abhinav Bharat with the intention of infiltrating and subverting every institution in the country, says Tehelka (Jan.1, 2011).
The motive behind all this is to clamp a Brahminical dictatorship over Bahujan India — by forcibly imposing study of Brahminical scriptures.
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 5, 2011 at 5:51 pm
Certain comments on this blog come with many heads —- like the hydra-headed Ravana or is it the hydra-headed sangh with its vanvasi kalyan parishads, vhps, jagran machs etc.
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
and you are tail of Rahul Gandhi…Chamcha,,
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
There is an R(SS)ajeev on this site whose language betrays the way he has been brought up. He calls me buddha. I wonder what he calls his parents?
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B.V.SHENOY says:
February 5, 2011 at 6:35 pm
VINOD SHARMA’S BOOTLED-UP INNOCENCE UNCORKED
RSS-BAITING SHARMA LOVES SLAYER OF MUSLIMS.
Here is what Vinod Sharma, the newly appointed (by you know who….) patron saint of Saint Aseemanand, has written with love, compassion, understanding and not a little admiration:
“Swami Aseemanand’s heart melted on being tended by one such victim
that’s what made him confess to crimes for which Kaleem, the Muslim boy he met and grew fond of in prison, was implicated.
The angst and the remorse that drove Aseemanand’s “confessions” epitomize true values and ethos of Hinduism. As a believer, he hasn’t merely accepted his misdoings but shown the courage to face punishment. His penance is a testimony to his remarkable character. Such sense of sacrifice requires saintly qualities. The Swami has showed us the way forward….”
Looks like Saint Aseemanand has become the darling of the seculars.
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
And a villain for some who think they hold the patent to patriotism and national interest.
The fact that my comments on Assemanand — as a preface to Sikand’s reportage— has been noticed by the ‘learned man’ only now shows that he comments without reading the original post.
He just types down the script received from his minders with carbon copies to his equally blinkered fellow travellers. What a pity.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
Vinodji,
I have read your article, if it can be called that, twice fully and several times in pieces. I will reproduce my earlier post, which is as honest as I could make it.
“This is a ****y piece of an article, you could very well have done without writing.
Even while trying to fire your anti-Hindutva gun from the shoulders of utterly disreputable characters like Harsh Mander and Ram Vilas Paswan, you have allowed yourself to crudely, vulgarly reflect their hatred for the Hindus in your writing. In fact, the attempt is NOT EVEN SUBTLE.
The article is unbearably long, excruciatingly boring and unmindfully filled with hatred for Hindus typical of the jholawala pseudos, masquerading as civil society.
Your tears for the jailed but innocent Muslim youth too, are fake as are those of the Manders, Mustafas and Bhushans.
All you have to show in response is one fake Hindu, Ram Autar, with his fake history and faker mythology.”
Finally, Vinodji, “minders” are there for both readers (like us ) and writers.
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Anybody who calls Harsh Mander disreputable and Yeddy the paragon of virtues must quicky see a shrink.
vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
Anybody who disagrees with fake nationalists cannot be fake. Ram Autar has guts. Answer him rather than character assassinating him. As for minders, I just have a mind of my own, unlike so many who spew venom and canards on this site.
Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
We expect same melting of heart from LeT sympathiser Rahul and Diggi,
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(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 7:20 pm
@Vinod Sharma ji
Sir, having one’s own mind is not the monopoly of you alone. You have to appreciate the enlightened people at this blog are not the street boys who sing the paeans of some ideology because of any compulsion.
BNA
ramesh Reply:
February 6th, 2011 at 6:46 am
MR VINOD SHARMA ,PAID NEWS ARE WELL KNOWN IN OUR COUNTRY.AFTERALL HISTORY OF HT IS ALSO WELL KNOWN.BUT I AM SURPRISED,HOW COME YOU DONOT APPEAR ON NIRA RADIA TAPES.
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
@Ramesh
If I were the Radia type, I would never be able to speak my piece upfront. But why do you sound so disappointed dear? Isn’t it good that I aren’t there?
B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 6th, 2011 at 11:45 am
Vinodji,
You have mentioned about your ‘original post’.
Funnily, your comments about Aseemanand, made with love, respect, compassioan and also admiration for him, are the ONLY ORIGINAL POST in oyur long, boring piece. The rest of the piece is all what some of your heroes and heroines have said, spewing hatred for Hindus.
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
I called it a preface to Sikand’s article. Bad habits die hard— especially the habit of twisting facts to suit conveniences.
Pankaj#1 Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 1:25 am
Vinod;
have you gone so low in life, as to call ram Autar(?) man with guts??
I can understand your compulsions and low IQ, no original thinking, now resorting to cut and paste. It is getting really scary, You people bringing print media to lower than Moffusil level.
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
These sanghis will start calling Aseemanand names — I am sure — if he sticks to his confessions. What bunch of charlatans.
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Rajiv says:
February 5, 2011 at 7:21 pm
To reproduce propoganda from a group of individuals dedicated to “tracing Sangh links to terror..” is like publishing the annual report of a society for “tracking Muslim terrorism against Hindus..”.
What exactly was Vinod Sharma’s purpose ? Is he a total dimwit or just like the tail of a dog, incorrigibly propogandist for thugs like Digvijay Singh ?
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ram autar Reply:
February 5th, 2011 at 10:17 pm
when riots became difficult terrorists of parivar resorted to bomb planting.they will plant the bomb media will start shoiting let,simmi timmi kimmi bla bla bla.police will catch youth from middle class muslim families kill few of them then remaining will pay hefty amount booty will be divided between police mdia and other few who are involve.that is how criminal daya nayek or many shrmas accumulated wealth far far bigger than their salary.they were competing in atrocities as well.killing hapless is easy.wil fetch medals as well.following is list of terrorist caught recently in bomb planting,
Key accused
(1). Lt. Col. Prasad Shrikant Purohit (37): He is the brain behind the Sept.29, 2008 blasts and the man that held it all together. He was the founder and one of the chief fund-raisers of the Pune-based organisation, Abhinav Bharat. He is also accused of procuring the RDX that was used in the blast. (He was arrested on Nov.5, 2008).
(2). Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur (38): Her bike was used to plant the bomb in Malegaon, and she is accused of engineering the blast. She has a Masters in History, and became a sadhvi in Jan.2007. (She was arrested on Oct.23).
(3). Rakesh Dhawde (35): Dhawde, an arms expert, has been booked for four previous bomb blast cases. He provided the required weapon training and supplied arms to Purohit. (He was arrested on Nov.2, 2008).
(4). Swami Dayanand Pandey alias Shankar Acharya alias Sukhakar Dwuvedi (40): He can be seen as the key point man and is said to have been present at the meetings held in Bhopal, Pune and Faridabad before the Malegaon blasts. He is also accused of conducting meetings with the other accused. Prior to his arrest, he ran two ashrams in Kanpur and Jammu and Kashmir. (He was arrested on Nov.14, 2008).
(5). Retd. Maj. Ramesh Upadhyaya (64): A resident of Akurdi, Pune, he worked with the military’s intelligence unit, and is suspected to have provided the training required for procuring and assembling the bombs. (He was arrested on Oct.28, 2008).
(6). Ajay Rahrikar (39): He was the treasurer of the Abhinav Bharat, and a part of the fund-raisers group. He paid Rs. 2.5 lakh to Swami Dayanand Pandey prior to the blast. (He was arrested on Nov.2, 2008).
(7). Jagdish Mhatre (40): A habitual criminal and an accused in a murder and an extortion case in Kalyan and Thane, he is believed to have paid Dhawde for the weapons. (He was arrested on Nov.2, 2008).
(8). Sameer Kulkarni (32): A former member of the Akhil Bharatiya Vidhyarthi Parishad (ABVP), he was employed at a printing press. He is suspected to have supplied the chemicals used in the bomb. (He was arrested on Oct.28, 2008).
(9). Sudhakar Chaturvedi (37): Originally a resident of Mirzapur in UP, Chaturvedi was picked up from Deolali where he stayed in a rented room. He is accused of conspiracy; the bomb was assembled in his house. (He was arrested on Nov.4, 2008).
(10). Sham Bhanwarlal Sahu (42): He is suspected to be one of the bomb planters. A commerce graduate from Christian College in Indore, Sahu has a mobile phone shop and also acted as a realty broker. He is also accused of abetting the blasts and conspiracy. (He was arrested on Oct.23, 2008).
(11). Shivnarayan Kalsangra Singh (36): A BSc graduate, Singh is seen as a “mechanical and electrical” expert by the ATS. He is suspected to have assembled the timer device while making the bomb. (He was arrested on Oct.23, 2008).
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(Dr.) B.N.Anand says:
February 5, 2011 at 7:35 pm
Dear Vinod Sharma ji
Let me say you have hardly impressed any one on this site by your latest blog which has been disappointing going by the tenor of the contents. There is nothing new in what you shared with us. In fact, it strengthens my view about your dedicated services to some party which has also deputed Mr. Digvijay Singh to sing only the tunes(though jarring) related to Saffron. The members of the right group ANHAD you mentioned hardly inspire any confidence to the majority of upper and lower middle classes( am not sure about super middle class). Your projection and advocating biased views on this subject in fact are sort of showing a red rag to the bulls who then charge recklessly with counter comments as reflected in the huge responses to your blog with in hours of its posting.
Well as for as Swami Aseem nand’s confession which , as everyone says, can be presented as an evidence in the court has been commented upon by the apex court in a similar case of some other case r related with self confessions. The apex court terms such confessions as very weak evidence unless corroborated by other facts. More over such premature leaks of confessions also conveys a different message about the intentions of the govt. for playing up to one community..
The country is now already under the pressure of Pakistan govt. which has charged it with slow pace of investigations with regard to Samjhauta express bombing even after four years of the event. Our country can now hardly charge Pakistan for not doing much for 26/11 carnage. This change has occurred only after the media publicised about the premature leak of confessions by Swami. Now It has even taken an aggressive approach by accusing our country for not showing enough courage in the face of Hindu groups. So, if for once govt. has let the confession be leaked, then it should also try this case on a fast track court to bring the case to its logical end. This way of dragging the case after getting this confession statement and given some food for the media and the ANHAD group to gorge on, is not going to do any good to the country. Let the courts finally decide and see how seriously the court accepts this confession.
Well as a PS, if Swami jee confesses to have killed Mr. Karkare, how it will affect the Kasab case.
We should not hype on such confessions until the final word is delivered from the courts.
Regards
BNA
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 6th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
Dr.Anand,
In this “piece” Shri Vinod Sharma is not trying to ‘impress’ his readers on this blog. As you can see he brands them all together as sanghis. Sanghis are only to be lectured to, pointed finger at, chastised, reviled, condemned and hated. Which, as a matter of duty he has done, and in good measure too.
His aim was to impress the Sikands, Shabnam Hashmis, Harsh Manders, and more importantly the Digvijay Singhs. And from the tenor of this piece, I can say, they must be mighty pleased to be quoted wholesale, without even changing a comma or a full stop. In fact, even the little known fellow, who calls himself (or is it herself?) Satya Shivaraman finds himself/herself worthy of being quoted extensively by the great Vinod Sharma, the ‘Political Editor’ of the great Hindustan Times!
In this process of fixing the RSS well and properly, if the country’s case of 26/11 suffers very badly and beyond repair, he thinks, ’so be it, have we not fixed the RSS?’
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(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
February 6th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
@ Shenoy Saheb
The Indian media is so obsessed with any thing sensational that it does not apply the mind to think in terms of national interests. What was to be gained by making public the half-baked confessional statement of Swami Asseemanand? After getting this confession, the investigating agencies could have proceeded quietly to further investigate. I think Pakistan is going to take full advantage of this premature leak while investigations may not make any further headway to enable to reach the prosecuting stage. Our ruling class and the media are playing with fire with regard to the interests of the country. This premature leak, though may not lead to final prosecution, but has given enough of publicity material to our neighbouring country to go ballistic and accuse us of many things. I believe the media , especially Tehelka has helped Pakistan to get off the hook with regard to our case 0f 26/11. See , how defensive Pakistan used to be with regard to 26/11 but now see their offensive approach by questioning our country wrt Samjhauta express blast investigations.
Thanks for the response
BNA
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 6th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
Dr.Anand,
getting to the bottom of the 26/11 terror attack was never on the top of this government’s agenda. Not annoying Pakistan by excessive demands on that terrorist state was. Now, this fake Saint, Aseemanand, will be further allowed to melt his heart to incandescence and he will be made to confess to planning 26/11 too, with the RSS and executing the terror act with some some renegade Pakistani malcontents.
With that confession, a whole lot of good things will happen.
1. India will close the case with filing a charge sheet against the RSS,
2. Pakistan will naturally be let off the hook,
3. Most important, Rahul Gandhi will be proved right that Hindu terror is more dangerous and that the Let is harmless.
4. Manmohan Singh will be eased out and Rahul Gandhi will ascend the throne with Digvijay Singh will be made Dy Prime minister and also home minister.
5. Mr.Vinod Sharma will be appointed Press Secretary to the young prime minister, with powers vested in him to ban the RSS and also sack all editors who dared to call Rahul Gandhi a bachcha.
Praveen Saxena Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Shenoy saab, Dr Anand
Sometime back the present Press Advisor to the PM , Harish Khare , who was earlier Bureau Chief of the Hindu at Delhi, , while addressing the audience at a public event in MP, had said that the Congress Party is unprincipled in its political conduct , and guided only by the single minded objective of coming to power .
This statement had raised quite a storm and the controversy was tackled in the usual way . misreporting….wrong conclusions…. etc . But there was unequivocal denial from Khare.
There was nothing new in what Khare had said , but when confrmation comes from such unimpeachable sources within, then opinions of ordinary persons like us only gets reinforced.
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 5, 2011 at 8:07 pm
These pro-LeT supporters like Diggi are taking so-called Aseemanand’s cofession as gospel truth but when same identical confession was made by muslims, they raised doubt on it.
On one hand Osama’s sister Hashmi lambasts Indian agencies for being anti-muslim but hails the same agencies when they go after Hindus.
What hypocrisy…true follower of Taqia.
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ram autar says:
February 5, 2011 at 9:39 pm
i dont know why parrots of parivar always go for character assisination instead of taliking reason.they talk alignment.he support let other support simmi.what is non-sense.truth is this that they were in forefront of 1947 blood bath,they(rss)were helping britishers in killing and arresting of true freedom fighters.on 6th nov.1947 they directed the murder of 250000 jammu muslims.after partition they organized 600plus communal riots.there is no doubt that brhmnsm is most voilent religion in the world.
This is clear from the Nov.19, 2010 arrest of a notorious Bengali Brahmin, Jatin Chatterji (58), calling himself a sanyasi — a wolf in sheep’s clothings, while furiously engaged in making bombs.
Time and again we have said Brahminism is the world’s most violent creed calling itself a religion which it is not, according to the Supreme Court itself.
This Bengali Brahmin changed his name to Swami Aseemanand and indulged in all sorts of criminal activities in the Dangs dt. of Gujarat to help the Brahmana Jati Party (BJP) victory that put the notorious Narendra Modi as the CM who killed about 3,000 Muslims in the country’s worst blood bath.
The most serious charge against Aseemanand is the bomb attack on Samjhauta Express (2007) for which India’s Brahminical media, which loves its jatwala Brahminical terrorists, put the blame on Islamic terrorists. Brahminists in govt. and police go on arresting innocent Muslims and allow them to rot in the jail for years.
The Bengali bomb-maker Aseemnand was at last arrested in November last but we don’t know how many more years are needed to put him and his Abhinav Bharat friends on trial.t
The world-wide propaganda that the so-called Hindu religion stands for non-violence is totally false, according to its greatest advocates who want to convert India into a Hindu Rashtra — meaning Brahminical dictatorship under the thumb of its 2% “Jews of India”.
They have given proof of their own Hindu gods who are fully armed. If Hinduism is all for non-violence, why its gods are so violent
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Rajiv says:
February 6, 2011 at 6:55 am
I am aghast at blatant and vile communalization preached by likeds of Vinod Sharma.
For him it looks like there are no humans, but only Hindus,Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Muslims etc.
Do we have a organization for innocent Buddhists or inncent Hindus in prisons ?
Or am I to believe that they do not exist.
The best thing happenedhe to India was partition and seperation of the filth that Jinnah represented.
His filthy ideology has produced the filthist criminal entity on earth, called Pakistan. The same entity that killed millions of its citizens in state sponsorted and directly perpetrated violence in East Pakistan, still rules West Pakistan.
India is better of to abstain from any contact with that criminal entity which has only gotten worse since 1971, unless someone can show me that Pak establsihment today, that killed miilions of its own citizens in 1971 and has since expelled and killed all its minorities and become the sponsor of all terrorist groups and now reduced to a begger state, is better than it was in 1971 or when Jinnah thought up of this filthy ideology !!
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SKS_Mumbai says:
February 6, 2011 at 8:05 am
For those interested in understanding what inspires (i.e. copy paste) “Ram autar’s brilliant analysis, have a look at this link:
http://m.topix.com/forum/world/india/TE78RRL2EH0H87R7S [Click to see nuggets from this page]
1st article on that link is basically a copy of Ram avtar’s comment.
That is followed by a speech by great V. T. Rajshekar, delivered in Pakistan on “History of Hindu terrorism”.
A small extract from there:
“This is because you could not tolerate the Brahminical oppression flowing out of its caste system — the worst form of racism in the world. Because Islam does not believe in racism and assures justice, equality and brotherhood, all of you embraced Islam and got yourself liberated. Congratulations. Our only complaint is when you went into a BEAUTIFUL HOUSE, you forgot your blood brothers, Dalits.”
The question is how long before HT journalists, currently inspired by ANHAD & Shabnam Hashmi’s of the world, move to V. T. Rajshekar’s level and ferevently hope that their readers will “view it without prejudice”.
Those who want some out of the world experience this Sunday, please google “Aishwarya Rai + Bramhin Conspiracy”
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 6th, 2011 at 11:37 am
SKS,
Dalit Nation can compete with Archana Pooran Singh’s Laughter Challenge” for providing comedy. About Aishwarya Rai, the magazine has described her caste as “shoodra”, which, besides being offensive, is also utter falsehood. Bunts of south kanara district as everywhere else, are OBCs, the richest community in India like the Jats of Haryana. They run banks, software companys, hospitals, colleges and hundreds of educational institutions. Their contribution to the nrichness of Karnataka is tremendous. Even the tag of OBC is these days being found offensive, because of the economic, social and cultural strides they have made in the last six decades.
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Vijay Kumar says:
February 6, 2011 at 4:49 pm
@ Vinod Sharma,
Insulting Sanghis may get you into the Rajya Sabha :D
But at best you could call them misguided patriots…
By the same logic can you insult Deobandis?????????????? :) :) They too talk about returning the rule fo the continent to Islam which Muslims lost after the British came in ?
You made fun of RSS Shakhas and in some previous blog hinted at homosexuality///
But dear sir, can you talk the same way about Madrasa students????
ha ha aha ha !! :) :) Yopu won’t and can’t!! :) :) bet you are already hiding under your seat now…
And that is why the CONGRESS HAND WILL DELIVER A THAPAD ON ITS OWN FACE IN 2014 !! :) :)
Can you talk
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 6th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
Vijay,
Vinod Sharma has gone nuts..Buddha Pagal ho gaya hai…
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Is that the way you address your dad and mom? wah, kitne honhaar bachche ho tum.
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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
No Sir…This kind of words are reserved for old man like you who shamelessly keep repeating the lie.
Your replies in last blog have inspired me to stoop to your level.
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Vinay says:
February 6, 2011 at 10:43 pm
If Asimanand’s act is real and confession is genuine, it will remind us the way spirituality has guided our country throughout the history (Ashoka after Kalinga war). One could have used this opportunity to call all the people who are using violent route to attain their idealistic society, back to the world of humanity. Instead, what are we seeing? People jumping with joy to announce the arrival of Hindutva terror and Sanghi terror network. Are they mourning or celebrating?
What is the act staged by the liberal group showing? (Is it a genuine concern for innocent children who were jailed OR desperate attempt to malign BJP?). Asimanand’s regret and determination to work for the cause also shows, his acts are more individualistic in nature rather than driven by an organisation. If an organisation is behind the plot, it will make sure to shut their commander’s mouth after the operation. (Compare it with Kashmir. How long they took to admit, their leader was killed by their own people. Make a guess, how long it would take for them to consider course correction). People just hijack the situation if RSS name comes anywhere. Why such insecurity?
They speak about the muslims who are wrongly blamed in blasts, but will not mind holding hindutva forces responsible for the burning of a Sabarmati coach in Godhra without the proof. Is it not duality? How to believe these HR activists apolitical? (http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/politics/pm-nominates-14-members-for-national-advisory-council_100373131.html [Click to see nuggets from this page] ) Nothing much to say about politicians.
Finally, “Stories Of Innocent Muslim Boys” takes back seat and “RSS worse than SIMI” arguments come to forefront. All these liberals, praising each others job, doing cheap tamasha in the name of restoring secularism reminds me of a Sanskrit Subhashita:
Ushtranamcha vivaheshu
Gardhabah Gaana Gaayikah
Prarasparam Prashamsanti
Aho Rupam! Aho Dhvani”
(Donkeys were invited for an orchestra to sing on Camel’s wedding. After the ceremony, both praised each other. “Wow.. how good looking!!”, “Wow.. how melodious”). Long live liberalism.
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Vijay Kumar says:
February 7, 2011 at 11:31 am
@ Vinod Sharma,
As predicted by me, you had no answer for my previous posting !
Don’t worry, i got the answer. Your silence is golden and you will not answer anyway!!
Bhaiya …
~~~~ Aawaz na nikli…
~~~~~:) Kyonki Jaan na chaali jaaye…
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
The faux intellect of some leaves me speechless. Then they rant and flex muscles, saying jawab de, jawab de. That is what I call bastardising debate.
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Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Sir, I humbly asked for an answer…
Maybe that left you speechless !!
And I still very politely in the sweetest poetic voice beg for an answer….
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
When the tongue is firmly in cheek— it is never sweet.
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Vijay Kumar says:
February 7, 2011 at 11:39 am
The script of the Indo- Pak talks is going the way I had predicted . (sorry for sounding egoistic)
India has scored a self goal as G Parthasarthi and Kanwal Sibal have said. Pakistan will now always equate Smjhouta with 26/11 and then do a dance of deceit saying that it all cancels out. Of course our benign Foreign Minister will not spell out that Pakistani terrorists have been launching terror attacks on India sinc three decades now.
Meanwhile our foreign policy may again come under the spell of “sell India for free Kebabs” , Mani Shakar Aiyar type of goons.
A part of me also feels that India may throw some aid at our violent neighbour just to buy peace for the World Cup. Sad that we let ourselvs be blackmailed by mad, rabid Rotwielers living next door. :( :(
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Vijay Kumar says:
February 7, 2011 at 12:36 pm
@ Vinod Sharma,
Sir, while I had some respect for you I think lately you have become brainwashed by third rate ISI propoganda.
Dear sir, remember Goebbels ? Hitler’s infamous minister. As per Joseph Goebbels
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
:D Now Sharmaji, you have become a victim of the COngress brainwashing to hide the truth about loot in 2G and deflecting attention by shouting out BJP all the time. :)
In fact Ram autar– probably a low grade ISI operative on the net– says that HIndus ”
They killed Hemant Karkare, an upright Brahmin IPS officer, by staging the Bombay terrorist act of 26/11/2008.”
This is the line which Antulay and Digvijay Singh have been peddling !!
And you say Ram Autar has guts !! :( :( :(
Wah Sharmaji wah !! Jis desh ka namak khaaya hia.. uss se gaddari…
You should remember Sandeep Unhikrishnan and Omble’s sacrifice and then sing
~~ O mer watan ke logon….
Zara aankh mein bhar lo paani….
YOu will then know what an insult to the shaheed you are doing…..
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
Tearing a sentence out of context does not constitute an argument. Calling others as Congress chamchas and ISI agents borders on abuse. On both counts, you come across as a foul-mouthed Nagpur bumpkin. I don’t need certificaes of patriotism from anybody. Always remember that and stop bullying in the garb of a discussion that you are incapable of.
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Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
Dear Sir,
Thank you for the abusive rant… :)
Well the thrust of my argument was that our nation faces a great challenge from the forces of evil across the border in terms of terror and murder and from evil forces inside in terms of corruption as in 2G and other heinous acts of politicians.
After the attack on Parliament, the Pakistani establishement said that Hindus and RAW did it; and in the 26/11 attacks the rabid Islamic terrorists had applied a HIndu Tikka on their forehead so that their dead bodies would send a signal that HIndus were behind it. Later Shri Antulay and Digvijay Singh along with Burney (of Sahara TV) have tried to mislead the nation by peddling the same lies like Goebbels did. Ram Autar is just repeating it in the same Goebbelisian fashion… :D
Smilarly whenver talk of loot by the UPA comes in its chamchas and spin doctors (please sir, I don’t mean you) apply the Goebbelsian theory of shouting out BJP… BJP… BJP ! :)
This is a nation where farmers commit suicide and spin doctors of the COngress want us to forget loot of thousand of crores…. :)
This is a nation where bravehearts like Omble and Sandeep Unhikrishanan give their lives for us…. and evil spin doctors of the ISI like Diggy Raja, Antulay, Burney and Ram Autar make fun of them…. :(
It is in this contexzt that I humbly request you to remember the poor farmers and the brave security men and soldiers like Abdul Hamid and then sing…
~~~~~ JO shaheed huyain hai unkin….
~~~~~ Zarra yaad karo kurbani…… :)
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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
Have many new points have you made lately. You just sit in judgement over others without showing a spark yourself. If you epitomize mediocrity, you will be called a mediocre. But even that will be a compliment— unless of course you start seeing reason.
Example: Does talking about innocent Muslims in jail for crimes that have not committed mean that somebody is propagating the Pakistani viewpoint. Your case is that Hindus alone must live in India and Muslims must leave en masse.
THIS COUNTRY IS AS MUCH MINE AS YOURS. PL ACCEPT THAT AND LIMIT YOUR DISAGREEMENT TO OUR RESPECTIVE VISIONS OF INDIA. THAT WILL HELP OTHERS UNDERSTAND AND COMPARE THE TWO VIEWPOINTS.
Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
@ Vinod Sharma,
Dear Sir, I think have made 117 postings in your blog in the past eighteen months. PLEASE… PLEASE show me one where I have said anything against Muslims and their right to stay in India. There is no doubt in my mind that Muslims have as much right over India as any Hindu or Christian does.
in fact at times, I have swam against the current and repeatedly said that true secularism is India’s big contribution to the world… :)
But yes, I am very very strong against dividing communities on basis of religion to get votes; I am against buying friendship with Pakistan by ignoring the threat to secularism and world peace it poses. It is in fact stupid of many political parties to try to get Muslim votes by peddling lies about 26/11 or any terror attacks as in most cases Indian Muslims had little do with them.
But as an Indian I am most worried that a cacphony of lies is being woven around the loot by politicans. And it is my right to protest against that….
So don’t take anything personally. After all no politcal party should ignore the voice of the Janata; and neither should columnists… :)
B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Vinodji,
Antulay said the 26/11 massacre was an internal job.
Digvijay Singh said Karkare was assassinated by the RSS.
Ram Autar, whom you admire, also said in this very blog that Karkare was killed by RSS brahmins.
Now you say Ram Autar has guts.
By the same logic the other the other two named above too have guts and speak the whole truth.
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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
And for your kind information, the non-fake non-Hindu Ram Autar had these things to say in his posts:
1. The muslims have been in forefront of terrorism worldwide so to claim that they resorted to terrorism because of Babri is a sick joke
2. the Muslims who are having such a glorious, such a powerful religion — ruled India for 1000 years
3. The upright Brahmin police officer, Karkare, was killed by the AB with the connivance of the Bombay police and the Intelligence Bureau. This was revealed in the book, Who Killed Karkare? by the equally upright police officer, Mushrif. This book has not been challenged by the IB so far
4. Every major violent flare-up in India killing thousands and thousands of innocent beings was done only by the Brahminic Hindus
vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 7th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
I don’t take anything personally. Had that been so, I wouldn’t have cared to engage with you on this blog. But a man is known by the company he keeps. One of your fellow travellers calls people elder
to him as buddhas. He shuts up when I ask whether that is the way he addresses his mom and dad.
That’s the level to which you guys have reduced debate. Have some remorse for God’s sake.
Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 9th, 2011 at 12:12 am
Sharmaji,
I guess you are really hurt. You started it in last blog.
I have not stooped to your level to be disrespectful towards my parents.
Let me ask you simple question-
Do you respect your father more or your master Sonia?
…and I am Sid Harth
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